About infinite speed

I think this term is being used WAY too loosely and I hear some people say that "putting too many restrictions on it will limit it to very few characters" which is actually true and fair. This is a vs battles wiki so giving character "infinite speed" that easily is HUGE as it is impossible for any character that's on a lower category of speed to even fight these, so i don't see there being a problem with it being a very limited concept. Now as for things about infinite speed:

1. A character that is infinite at some point, at any point (unless this speed is used via temporal hax) will be infinite in speed unless he gets downgraded by some higher entity or something similar. This fact comes from the fact that you can't "slow down" if your speed is infinite. No matter how much you try to divide infinite or substract from it, it is not possible to lower an infinite amount of something.

2. This is not necessary but it can help to give a character infinite speed. Infinite striking strength. A lot of series forget about that fact with characters that use time hax of any kind so it's not a must on every character with infinite speed (the mods should decide on this), but it can help to prove that a character who was stated to have this kind of speed is not an outlier.

3. Time Stop inducement. Infinite Speed gives a character an "unblockable" time stop hax. No matter how fast or how resistant the other character is, someone who truly has Infinite Speed will see him on a time stop forever.

4. Time Stop Immunity. Infinite Speed gives a character absolute immunity to time hax especially the ones that slow down, accelerate or stop time. Time Stop keeps time at a certain point which we can call point 0, infinite speed is the ability to move at will within that point 0. Any character that has at some point been stuck in a time stop doesn't have infinite speed, and any statement in this case are clearly outliers.

5. Inability to interact with stuff. A being with infinite speed as i said will be forced on an eternal time stop he can't turn off so interaction (i mean chatting or stuff that requires the other party to react) with anyone other than a being with infinite speed is impossible.

6. Ability to move in a timeless void wouldn't give infinite speed, like not in any case. Because the timeless void is basically a place where time doesn't exist. So if a human were to go there it wouldn't mean that he would be unable to move in there it would mean that for as long as he's there, time for the rest of the world (for anything that's not the void) wouldn't pass. So if he were to go to the void on the 1st of June 2018 and stay 30 earthly years there, when he came back it would still be 1st of june 2018. A good example of the realm not having anything to do with the ppl themselves is UQ Holder! where the MC was able to live and stay in a realm where not only did time not pass/exist but present past and future were 1. His present self met the past version of his master resulting in the future. That doesn't mean that the MC has infinite speed or immesurable speed, it means that the realm has those properties. I would really like this part to be fixed on the speed guidelines.

7. Training or speeding up yourself to infinite speed is impossible. You can't achieve what is infinite. So any character who doesn't posses some kind of hax or didn't get a boost from a higher entity but was claimed to have "achieved" infinite speed is an outlier (a similar case is when Buu said he achieved omnipotence by absorbing Vegeto, you can't achieve infinity through training or boosting urself in speed or strength).

8. Inconsistencies. A character that has not shown absolute consistency on the infinite speed category cannot be defined as having infinite speed unless he has hax that allow him to do so.

9. People need to be careful when regarding characters that state to be able to "accelerate to infinity" as that is impossible. So any feat regarding "that" should be considered MFTL+ as that type of character can at best reach any level of speed that is countably infinite. So any number is possible but not infinity itself.

Now there are a lot of characters that currently have an "infinite speed" but that have not the right to do so, i can name some of them, but i mostly did this thread due to the recent "infinite speed buff scalings" that have been going on, since no one was doing this I decided to do it.

We already have a thread on this.

The Everlasting said:

We already have a thread on this.

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Not exactly that is an extention to the previous DBH threads, not nearly as detailed and organized as this when it comes to infinite speed. That is more of a "this guy said this and that guy then answered like this" and it's more DB focused, not fully based on the infinite speed. As i said there are more characters than just DBH that don't deserve infinite speed but still have it.

I mean half of these arguments are nonsense.

The Everlasting said:

I mean half of these arguments are nonsense.

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Pls do tell why the arguments are not applicable to infinite speed.

You're acting like a character with Infinite speed can't slow down and has to constantly move at that speed, that you can't train yourself up to Infinite speed, or that they can't ever interact with anything.

These are standards that you are making up.

The Everlasting said:

You're acting like a character with Infinite speed can't slow down and has to constantly move at that speed, that you can't train yourself up to Infinite speed, or that they can't ever interact with anything.
These are standards that you are making up.

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Ok so you are saying that infinity can be divided, that you can reach infinity by numbers alone (by adding, squaring or multiplying) and that you can talk with beings that you see on a time stop. It is not an acceptable argument unless u have a case for each of these. So an infinite being (that didn't achieve it through hax, so literally a being that always has infinite speed) just interacts with normal ppl and can slow down and remember "hax is forbidden".

Yes, because this is fiction and that can be a thing, just like Supersonic people can still talk to each other, or there can be sound in space.

Agreed with Ever, a lot (most) of these are wrong. Implying a Infinite Speed (IS) person is always moving, is always moving infinitely fast, has infinite striking strength, training or speeding up to infinite speeds being impossible, etc.

The Everlasting said:

Yes, because this is fiction and that can be a thing, just like Supersonic people can still talk to each other, or there can be sound in space.

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Supersonic CAN slow down, infinity can't. Now pls do give me an example for each of the points u brought up. So an infinite being (i mean having infinite speed as a fact, not wank) taking to normal ppl, having the ability to slow down and the best of all reaching it through multiplier or expontial boosts (any kind of boost rly, as long as it's not a hax boost).

Yes they can, infinite speed means there is no limit to how much motion can be achieved, whereas supersonic speeds has a very clear limitation.

Also, moved to general discussion. Refrain from posting in the staff section next time. :^)

Indeed infinity is not a number but a word that literally translates to "endless" saying you can divide or multiply the word "endless' is wrong. Also as for my points being wrong, pls to tell me why they are wrong. It is not hard to see why all my points are right and can only be broken under special circumstances. An infinite being CAN slow down, only if he can do that through other means like hax or something like that, it is impossible to slow down. a=S/t , no matter how much time u take to slow down the result will ALWAYS be infinite. So yeah pls do show me cases where infinite speed beings that don't have any other hax that allow the user to break my points do acomplish these.

Also i didn't know where to put this discussion so ty for that.

Perhaps we should close this thread? It seems redundant.

Yes. That seems like a better idea. It's being discussed on the other thread (and will be in the Future)

I would actually say not to close this due to (as i said before) this thread being way more focused on what comes along with Infinite Speed rather than "do the demons have infinite speed". That thread doesn't talk about the full list, and this is meant to talk about characters that don't deserve infinite speed but they still do have it. (jojo characters as an example)

That sounds like something that should be staff only.

Unless you want endless circular debates again lol.

Saying a person who can travel at infinite speeds can never stop is like saying once you start driving a car you can never press the brakes.

Unite My Rice said:

Saying a person who can travel at infinite speeds can never stop is like saying once you start driving a car you can never press the brakes.

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Wrong, it's nothing similar. Car has a speed limit, infinity doesn't. You can't make slow down infinity, unless you do so through other methods, but someone like let's say superman that doesn't have hax that would allow him to slow down, if he were to reach infinity he wouldn't be able to slow down. And again if you want to prove my points wrong u should give me an example of a character breaking these rules.

Quantu said:

That sounds like something that should be staff only.
Unless you want endless circular debates again lol.

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Well i don't trust "staff only" that much, i feel like the arguments and ideas will be limited, while an open debate like this is more open to feedback and stuff.

Fair.

Look, we already have another much more thorough discussion about this. This thread is redundant. It is probably best if I close it now.