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Rune King Thor vs. God Cloth Pegasus Seiya

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That's not God cloth Seiya and I believe we already made this match and Seiya was declared the victor due to speed and atomization.
 
My bad on the picture, and this battle isn't listed in notable victories/losses for either so I assumed it hasn't been done, by this website at least.
 
you can't really beat a peak Seiya by killing him since he has transcended the concepts of life and death,


even if you could thouhg he'd still win due to speed...maybe we can add it now.
 
i'll mostly be quoting things from Seiya's inconclusive match against flash..hopefully that's ok


Seiya at his best is at least quintillions of times FTL, which should be way above Thor.


and then there's this


Those few enlightened that in the moment of death burn their Cosmos to the extreme limit overcoming the power of Seventh Sense, wake up at the Eighth Sense, a Cosmos superior to Seventh Sense and burning it they exceed death, being able to reach the Underworld remaining alive and transcending the concepts of life and death.

and this


Very few mortals can approach the power of godhood in modern times, and most possess special circumstances or abilities (whether acquired, such as Virgo Shaka's training and the '''bronze 'saints' god cloths', bathed in Athena's ichor; or inherited, such as the presence of Kairos' genes in Pegasus Tenma's body). The miracles generated by the cosmoenergy of a god are capable of not only breaking laws of physics, but also completely ignore them. An example of this was shown when Poseido could stop the absolute zero-enhanced blast of the Aurora Executio of Cygnus Hyoga and bounce it back, when no particle should be able to retain energy within it.


and lastly this


http://saintseiya.wikia.com/wiki/Atomic_Destruction
 
I was refering to wait for more people to give their input here, Hiei. But yeah, yours work too.
 
Seiya in bronze cloth 8th sense awakened is Quintillions FTL let alone gold or god so its far from his best since cloth"s themselves grant speed for example seiya dodging light speed blows while he was mach 4-5 just because he was wearing a gold cloth or blitzing thanatos with god cloth etc.
 
I dunno. Rune King Thor only has been around for like two or three issues and his actual combat speed is unknown. His best defense is that rune shield but it doesn't mean anything to Seiya and his atomization and his best offense in my opinion is reducing Mangog to nothingness. I don't remember how the final issue went but I'm not sure if destroying Yggdrasil also means anything.

Unlike the Wally match and Odin, there simply isn't enough info to put the match in Thor's favor.
 
he has cosmic awarness like thanaotos. thor could tell past/future when he become one with time sort of thing. i think he got this
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
UncleSpaceman said:
Isn't RKT omnipresent, omniscient, and a casual universe buster?
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Rune King Thor

Here's a full explanation of Rune King Thor's power
 
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Rune King Thor

Here's a full explanation of Rune King Thor's power

Going by statistics he has none of that make a thread this fight will be delayed until then.
 
that all sounds like massive exageration and missinterpretation of feats much like what deathbattle does with supérman to say he has infinite stats in everything.


all of those "feats" are extremely vague to the point i'm not even sure what some of them are supposed to mean. i mean look at that "omnipresent" scan

what is that supposed to prove? that just looks like a short poem using Thor's face over a starry sky as artistic design.
 
Let's see. With the upgrade, Thor is likely Low 2-C with Seiya being 3-A at his peak. Hmm. Unless Seiya still has something that prevents him from getting murked, Thor now takes this.
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
I'm still wondering how Seiya is 3-A for his Hades feat though....I'll need to make a thread about it.
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You should. Actually while i have never read the manga series, was it ever stated that Hades armor was universal or something? Welp, i'm going to take a quick trip through the SS series pages here.
 
Hades' body is 3-D while his Cosmos is 4-D. Here's Matthew Schroeder's explanation.

  1. Matthew Schroeder
  2. Here's the deal: Their Cosmos, at least the High Level Gods ones, are clearly 4-D. Cronus was going to destroy all of time and space. Some can do conceptual and universal creation, others can create a dimension that warps space and time, others sustain universes with their will.
  3. But.... Seiya managed to hurt Hades when he burned his Cosmos to his limit.
  4. Seiya, who even with a God Cloth, isn't 4-D.
  5. Oblivion00
  6. Seiya is gonna be upgraded to 2-C isn't he?
  7. Matthew Schroeder
  8. no
  9. I don't want that
  10. neither do some of the admins I talked to.
  11. Oblivion00
  12. So he'll be staying at 3-A then
  13. Matthew Schroeder
  14. My explanation is this:
  15. Cosmos doesn't work like traditional physics. It isn't something that functions in the same way as normal 1-D, 2-D, 3-D, 4-D matter.
  16. But their bodies are 3D, with 4-D Cosmos within their souls (Which are immortal)
  17. Matthew Schroeder
  18. So, if they were attacking at the fullest of their power, they could vaporize everyone...
  19. Matthew Schroeder
  20. but their bodies can be hurt it they are not at 100% and actively trying to protect them.
  21. Oblivion00
  22. Ahhh I see
  23. Matthew Schroeder
  24. Which is consistent, Hades wasn't fighting seriously with anyone.
  25. And the Saints were with the God Cloths, which are armors bathed in the blood of Athena, that grants than an artificial divine power.
  26. Their durability is probably in the Lowest of 2-Cs
  27. But everything else isn't.
  28. Matthew Schroeder
  29. Plus, this is only valid for Gods higher than Athena.
  30. Many times we see weaker gods, deities with sealed power, or who are having their powers drained, and etc.
  31. Oblivion00
  32. Wasn't RouninOtaku trying to upgrade Seiya to 2-C?
  33. LordAizenSama
  34. i think so
  35. Oblivion00
  36. Btw Matt you're explanation makes sense
  37. Matthew Schroeder
  38. Kinda.
  39. Seiya is only 2-C in the last minute of Heaven Overture
  40. Which was the first movie of the Olympus Trilogy
  41. but it bombed and became noncanon, sadly.
  42. Matthew Schroeder
  43. also, this Cosmos not being physical so we can't fully apply higher dimensional physics to it is consistent.
  44. Because like, say, Capricorn Shura's Excalibur is Star Level.
  45. Oblivion00
  46. So only in noncanon material is Seiya in Tier 2. I'm also a supporter of Saint Seiya so it would have been nice if Seiya was 2-C.
  47. Matthew Schroeder
  48. He could theoretically split planets with it, and indeed in Episode G he splits some planetoids.
  49. However, their attacks are focused on the atoms of the opponents.
  50. And many times, not all the atoms, cause their attacks don't work like that.
  51. In Episode G we see Aiolos, while trying to escape the Sanctuary clothless, getting attacked by Shura... The excalibur hits his shoulder
  52. and that part of his body is gone, it's a gaping hole with blood pouring out of it.
  53. flesh, bones, muscle, all destroyed.
  54. But rest of body is fine.
  55. Because Cosmos is not like Megatons, but energy that is equivalent to it.
  56. This can also explain why the God Saints survived Hades's attacks.
  57. They DO have healing factors
  58. and they could theoretically be hit, and utterly destroyed in bits of their bodies, but on the whole alive.
 
No it hasn't but Hades is low multi universal to Likely multi universe since he fought unsealed Titans for 10 years and Seiya shattered his armor sent him flying and bleeding with one punch iirc.
 
Hades isn't 4-D everyone knows that but he can affect 4-D space time which why he's rated 2-C so the explanation is nothing I don't already know -_-....
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
I'm still wondering how Seiya is 3-A for his Hades feat though....I'll need to make a thread about it.
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You should. Actually while i have never read the manga series, was it ever stated that Hades armor was universal or something? Welp, i'm going to take a quick trip through the SS series pages here.
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Actually, here is the thing about the High Level Saint Seiya Gods: Their Souls and Cosmos transcend all known rules of the universe, and they can casually manipulate space and time. Hades, for instance, held a universe with his will. However, Gods need bodies to channel all of their powers, and those bodies are 3-A in power. So, to protect themselves against the attacks of other Gods, they use armors.

And about the Hades's feat... I'm pretty sure of two things:

  • 1 Hades was vastly suppresed
  • 2 Seiya was most likely approaching the 9th Sense while hitting Hades... And even then, the attack only pushed him back temporarely, it did 0 lasting damage.
Also, above the 8th Sense allowing you to transcend life and death:

Yes, reaching the 8th Sense allows you to surpass death in the living world and maintain your body in the world of the dead, which in a natural state, kills all humans who enter it. But that's it. You can still be killed while in your underworld body. This isn't downplaying by my part, we clearly see both Lyra Orphee and Gemini Kanon dying, while both had the 8th Sense. And neither of them return.

Seiya also doesn't have Divine Cosmos, only a God Cloth which allows him to emulate divine power, and give him light protection against the power of Divine Attacks. A God Cloth is basically a normal Cloth that was bathed in the bloood of Athena, which, upon reacting with a Saint reaching and pushing the boundaries of the 8th Sense, reaches a Pseudo-Divine level. It's enough to put one vastly above Low Level Gods such as Thanatos and Hypnos, but still insignficant to High Level Gods like Hades.

Still, I would have given the match to Seiya, but with all the new feats of Rune King Thor, I have to give the match to him.
 
I'm still wondering how any of those extremely vague pages that largely seem meaningless were acceptred as evidence to boost Thor

that omnipresence feat is just a picture of thor's face over a starry sky. what's the context for that?
 
Hiei312 said:
I'm still wondering how any of those extremely vague pages that largely seem meaningless were acceptred as evidence to boost Thor

that omnipresence feat is just a picture of thor's face over a starry sky. what's the context for that?
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Not sure either but if he did truly become one with the universe then yeah I believe he is omnipresent anyways.
 
Hiei312 said:
I'm still wondering how any of those extremely vague pages that largely seem meaningless were acceptred as evidence to boost Thor
that omnipresence feat is just a picture of thor's face over a starry sky. what's the context for that?
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Being able to see beyond the void of the universe? And past, present and future at the same time?
 
@CHILL and @Hiei: You both can ask Unclespaceman about it. He was the one that made a thread about it and Darkness and Ant agreed to it as well as me(i did it mainly to see how people would react to a low 2-C Thor).
 
Thor became one with a space-time continuum as far as i understand it

which warrants a low 2-C rating
 
at best this is a stalemate since i don't think thor can just erase Seiya from existence either and 8th sense makes death meaningless.
 
Rune King Thor could win by K.O but yeah since this is by incapacitation it's a stalemate at best.I"ll need to make Seiyas thread now anyways
 
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