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Seems to be fair.
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Kamijou Touma VS Ainz Ooal Gown
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Touma can just cut off his own right arm.Malox1696 said:
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Stomp, unless touma use his IT which also stomp for aniz ._.
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Invisible thing is insanely strong but if it's a standard fight I think Ainz could instakill him before he could use IT or his imagine breaker before it could negate Ainz'es magic (because Ainz'es death spells are instant). This is supported if he only has peak human speed (precog won't really help him here)
That's just my opinion though
That's just my opinion though
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The problem is that someone attempted instand death spells on him,and has no effect,what's more,he can even cancel it after it works.Parkjammer said:
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@Zhaoshuais Ainz does have a way to go through immunities to instant death though, with The Goal of All Life is Death
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I didn't, but a talking living Skeleton is not "natural", undead is not natural (doesn't matter what Overlord's setting is, IB doesn't use that as reference), so a single touch of IB would erase him.PaChi2 said:
Plus his existence is supernatural, so Touma's instinct instantly kicks into overdrive. In addition Touma is TOUGH, like really TOUGH. I read overlord, and I don't think a punch from Ainz can keep him down. You need a non-supernatural supersonic barrage to keep him down.
Therefore durability is pointless with IB. As for IT, unless he is planetary he would get curbstomped into the ground. You need Universal buster amount of power to hold IT and not get destroyed by it (unless Touma reseal it).
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IB is not immunity, that attack would be erased, never happened. As long as IB exist Touma is not effected by any supernatural that target him, destiny, karma, retribution, divine judgement, reality warping, etc. It is an anchor of multiverse reality (literally called this in one side story by Kamachi), nothing have precedence over it, even if you can make every law of reality bow to you like the White Queen, IB still overrides it.Parkjammer said:
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Oh, from what I've read, IB negates all supernatural powers on physical contact, and passively negates certain spells. Unless he's shown to use IB to negate or nullify instant-death spells before, I don't think he'll be able to counter it (based on the description of IB). In addition, the description notes that IB cannot "completely" negate something if it surpasses its canceling speed such as Stiyl's Innocentius or Accelerator's Dark Wings. This also leads me to believe that Ainz could kill him with any of his arsenal of instant-death magic, that doesn't require speed (as it is instant lol).
The next bit is a little tricky. In the overlord universe, there are naturally spawning undead. Skeleton and Zombies appear naturally and hunt the living. As for Ainz specifically, he considers himself to be among these naturally-spawning undead. I'll concede that if Kamijou can touch Ainz he can disconnect Ainz'es soul from his body (Because his body and soul separately should be considered natural), killing him before he is revived again by magic (unless Kamijou holds Ainz'es hand and touches his rings??). I do believe though the location of the fight is important in discerning whether or not Ainz is natural or not. In reality, Ainz is a player, and players are completely natural in Ainz'es universe. IB would have to abide by the rules of the Overlord universe if that is where the fight takes place
As for another possible strategy, Ainz could nuke him with his newly acquired Nuke spell. Although IB could cancel the Nuke before the energy and heat would hit him, IB's description doesn't dispell the effects of magic. Just like a fireball leaves ashes, the nuke would A) Blind him, B) Poison him with Radiation C) Knock him back (The shockwave wouldn't be negated even if the original nuke) D) Make him go deaf
One of the biggest problems with this character going up against Ainz is that he's just a regular human with base stats, not even comparable to fodder in the Overlord series. Ainz himself with just the movement of his staff (without using magic, this is purely physical) blasted apart the Giant of the East
Lastly, I'd like to ask, the description of IB in the vsbattles wiki states that it passively negates some spells. What are the spells that have been passively negated without his touch?
The next bit is a little tricky. In the overlord universe, there are naturally spawning undead. Skeleton and Zombies appear naturally and hunt the living. As for Ainz specifically, he considers himself to be among these naturally-spawning undead. I'll concede that if Kamijou can touch Ainz he can disconnect Ainz'es soul from his body (Because his body and soul separately should be considered natural), killing him before he is revived again by magic (unless Kamijou holds Ainz'es hand and touches his rings??). I do believe though the location of the fight is important in discerning whether or not Ainz is natural or not. In reality, Ainz is a player, and players are completely natural in Ainz'es universe. IB would have to abide by the rules of the Overlord universe if that is where the fight takes place
As for another possible strategy, Ainz could nuke him with his newly acquired Nuke spell. Although IB could cancel the Nuke before the energy and heat would hit him, IB's description doesn't dispell the effects of magic. Just like a fireball leaves ashes, the nuke would A) Blind him, B) Poison him with Radiation C) Knock him back (The shockwave wouldn't be negated even if the original nuke) D) Make him go deaf
One of the biggest problems with this character going up against Ainz is that he's just a regular human with base stats, not even comparable to fodder in the Overlord series. Ainz himself with just the movement of his staff (without using magic, this is purely physical) blasted apart the Giant of the East
Lastly, I'd like to ask, the description of IB in the vsbattles wiki states that it passively negates some spells. What are the spells that have been passively negated without his touch?
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Leaving the fact that I still think this a stomp thanks to flight, He negated instan death and existence erasure so it will would not work; the heat,radiation and shockwaves all have been created by magic if objects get thrown at him by the shockwave he can't negate those To make it more clear IB works as a backup of the original world if it's not in the backup it gets deleted so yes all spell that comes in contact with IB get erased
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Leaving the fact that I still think this a stomp thanks to flight, He negated instan death and existence erasure so it will would not work; the heat,radiation and shockwaves all have been created by magic if objects get thrown at him by the shockwave he can't negate those To make it more clear IB works as a backup of the original world if it's not in the backup it gets deleted so yes all spell that comes in contact with IB get erased
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The starting distance was never stated, but as for heat and shockwave from thrown object still counts as "direct effect", same as accel throwing railroad directly at him, or railgun, both gets the momentum and energy gets negated.Malox1696 said:
If it is close enough, Touma just need to get 1 hit in to kill.
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Hm I fail to see how Touma would really stand a chance, hes not fast enough to catch him and teleportation is instantaneous with mere thoughts, I mean all it takes is normal spells and total invisibility and flight he'll never touch him.
All of which is totally in his character to do so.
Ainz has limitless stamina and is not about to run out of mana any time soon with such low costing spells, especially with wish upon a star. Its a war of attrition and Ainz seems to win it easily.
All of which is totally in his character to do so.
Ainz has limitless stamina and is not about to run out of mana any time soon with such low costing spells, especially with wish upon a star. Its a war of attrition and Ainz seems to win it easily.
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Yea, stomp. Delete this.
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Ainz flicks a rock and it takes off Touma's head
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Touma has a lot of knowledge about how to deal with teleport espers,it seems he experienced this before he lost all his memory.In fact,he would read the teleport position with his precog,and punch at once when teleport take place.Akreious said:
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Sorry Zhao, Ainz also holds a massive speed advantage, even with a precog you can't react if you're not fast enough
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Stomp, this fight is not relevant. Why people always put touma to fight one on one against someone who clearly not in criteria for Touma. Need close this thread.
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