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Wally West vs Pegasus Seiya

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Pegasus Seiya can maintain a physical body in the spritual plane of existence.His intang is useless firstly.

Secondly about speed Seiya is quintillions FTL in bronze cloth 8th sense .He was Mach 4-5 in bronze and became FTL upon having gold despite not having 7th sense so his speed in gold grows in the hundreds of thousands times more without counting God cloth.
 
What does 8th sense do exactly though I will still go for Seiya better hax apparently
 
He has another degree of consciousness after death and can ressurect.This is why Thanatos the God of death didn't one shot him with a thought and Hades used his blade that attacks the soul to try and be rid of him.
 
Speed steal won't work on someone with infinite or nigh infinite energy: This is the name as the divine Cosmos it is often referred to as. It's mentioned in the Hypermyth as the true essence of Cosmos, a source of power and existence without boundaries. Gods possess this full awareness of Cosmos, as they would be Cosmos itself. Powers granted by this knowledge are absolutely infinite, but only higher Gods are fully aware of this power, while minor Gods, although being hundred times stronger than even the strongest human warriors, are far from the absolute and unlimited power.
 
Seiya one shots with pegasus sui sei ken once Wally goes near him. He won't get "killed" by Wally. Also, Seiya is really fast himself he won't get blitzed as easily. He has also flight where Wally hasn't and he can take a lot of punishment.

Also Speed Steal won't work on a guy like Seiya. In Saint Seiya series the saints are seen overpowering hax with raising their cosmo higher than that of their opponents. Since Seiya is already way more powerful than Wally, he won't be affected.

One more thing. Even if Wally manages to take Seiya's speed his punches are maintaining the same velocity. And ofc his punches speed>his reactions or movement speed. And Seiya has way higher durability than what Wally can dish out. IMO Seiya takes it low-mid dif.
 
Wally, at his best, is casually tredecillions of times the speed of light, Saint Seiya characters are quintillions.

I fail to see how that works, Speed Steal is not a hax in Saint Seiya.

No, they aren't. Wally can steal enough speed to where Seiya would be a literal statue.

Also, Wally could just... you know... phase his brain out of his head.
 
  • Bronze cloth 8th sense Seiya is quintillions FTL .
You have Gold which should boost his speed to over hundreds of thousands of times as it made him hypersonic to FTL in the second arc just because of the cosmos in the gold cloth armor.

And he should have nigh infinite to infinite cosmos since divine cosmos is infinite cosmos mentioned on his profile.
 
Say that Speed Steal works. Seiya would just keep raising his cosmo and he keeps getting faster and faster. This can't be taken away from him. Also Wally has to touch him to steal his speed. Seiya would defeat him before that. Unlike Wally, Seiya can attack from very far. His range is galactic or so?? He kills Wally before he touches him.
 
Divine cosmos?

Its gods power one becomes cosmos itself unless Wally has soul manipulation like Hades he's not getting past Seiyas defenses.
 
Wally is much much faster than Seiya, that's not the problem


the problem is , at peak, Seiya has Hax that essentially allows him to decide whether he wants to be alive or dead. wally can phase his brain out infinite times it wouldn't really do much of anything.
 
... Divine Cosmos isn't infinite. It is just infinite compared to humans.

In fact, Cosmos itself is not infinite. It's potential is infinite, as all of existence and all of Cosmos originated from the Great Will's infinite power, meaning that even atoms possess the Great Will's essence within them. In other words, every being has infinite potential, but in none of the Saint Seiya franchise has this so-called "infinite" power ever been shown.

Also, Seiya wasn't just Mach 5 when he got Aiolos's Saggitarius Cloth, he was likely far higher. And we also have to consider that he gained assistance from Aiolos's spirit, and likely an amount of his Cosmos. Yes, God Cloth would make him faster (Possibly sextillion times the speed of light or so), but not enough to reach Wally.

Also, Seiya never had Divine Cosmos in the "Canon" series, he only had the God Cloth, which emulates divine power, but it still infinitely weaker than the power of High Level Gods.

Wally West is also far faster than Seiya at his peak, and you can't just ignore the Speed Steal. I'll admit that Seiya, by typical series PIS, could likely burn his Cosmos and generate more power to keep on fighting, and both his durabiliy and his Attack Potency are absurdly higher than that of Wally.

I'll go with an Inconclusive Result simply because Wally wouldn't be able to hurt Seiya with God Cloth, no matter how much he tried.
 
Well what if Wally is faster?? He will do what?? Run towards Seiya leaving himself defenceless?? That doesn't sound really normal to me. One punch and he is dead. Seiya can create forcefields as well. How is Flash getting past them. Also, has any of these moves of Wally worked on a being as powerful as Seiya, who also had divine protection? And how can Wally can phase his brain since Seiya has a god cloth on him?
 
As much hax as Wally has, it isn't enough to combat someone with higher than Skyfather level powers. And since Seiya has to be erased from existence, which Wally can't do, Seiya wins.

Or Wally could just outrun everything Seiya throws at him and cause a stalemate.
 
Panemorfos said:
Say that Speed Steal works. Seiya would just keep raising his cosmo and he keeps getting faster and faster. This can't be taken away from him. Also Wally has to touch him to steal his speed. Seiya would defeat him before that. Unlike Wally, Seiya can attack from very far. His range is galactic or so?? He kills Wally before he touches him.
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That "Raising his Cosmos more and more" honestly sounds like a No-Limits fallacy, and that's coming from a guy who's a really big fan of the franchise. We see plenty of examples where simply raising your Cosmos doesn't work. Seiya vs Saga, Seiya vs Poseidon, Seiya vs The Judges (Pre his 8th Sense), Seiya vs Thanatos (Pre God-Cloth). Even with Hades, Seiya managed to hit him slightly, but the God was still vastly superior to himself.

Also, the Galactic+ Range comes from powerscaling from other God level beings, and even if say, his Pegasus Comet Fist can cross galaxies, good luck hitting Wally with it.
 
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This is the name as the divine Cosmos it is often referred to as. It's mentioned in the Hypermyth as the true essence of Cosmos, a source of power and existence without boundaries. Gods possess this full awareness of Cosmos, as they would be Cosmos itself. Powers granted by this knowledge are absolutely infinite, but only higher Gods are fully aware of this power, while minor Gods, although being hundred times stronger than even the strongest human warriors, are far from the absolute and unlimited power.

-Masami Kuramada
 
I doubt he can outrun billions or more punches all the time. No matter how fast he is one time he will get hit and it will be over. Also, i can possibly outrun a boxer but eventually one punch will land and i will go to hospital at best. And what is it if i run? Have you ever seen someone running instead of fighting and winning? Cause i haven't.
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
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This is the name as the divine Cosmos it is often referred to as. It's mentioned in the Hypermyth as the true essence of Cosmos, a source of power and existence without boundaries. Gods possess this full awareness of Cosmos, as they would be Cosmos itself. Powers granted by this knowledge are absolutely infinite, but only higher Gods are fully aware of this power, while minor Gods, although being hundred times stronger than even the strongest human warriors, are far from the absolute and unlimited power.

-Masami Kuramada
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Still doesn't change the fact that Seiya doesn't have this so-called infinite power (Also, don't forget that such types of hyperboles are used in Saint Seiya since chapter 1. Nay, Kurumada does things like that in Ring ni Kakero, his manga about human boxer fighters, claiming that stars burst upon their fists and so on.

Also, the Hypermyth is incredibly old, and most, if not all things from it have been either ignored or retconned away. For instance, the 4 Saints above Gold were ignored as of Episode G. Likewise, Hypermyth calls the Primordial Chronos the father of Zeus, which shows how contradictory and ignorant Kurumada can be.

Also, you can't use the claim that High Level Gods have infinite power cause we see plenty of said Gods in different levels of power. Such as how Athena, Poseidon, Hades, Artemis and Zeus are all in clearly different levels. Same with Titans, and the Primordials.
 
Truth be told, Seiya (in cannon) doesn't have infinite cosmo. Hecan burn it as much a s he wants, but it ain't infinite. Nobody, besides probably Zeus, has infinte cosmos. But Seiya doesn't need it to win Wally.

Wally's advantage: Speed

Seiya's advantage: DC/AP,Duraability, Fighting skills, flight and 8th sense.

The victor is pretty clear to me.
 
Panemorfos said:
I doubt he can outrun billions or more punches all the time. No matter how fast he is one time he will get hit and it will be over. Also, i can possibly outrun a boxer but eventually one punch will land and i will go to hospital at best. And what is it if i run? Have you ever seen someone running instead of fighting and winning? Cause i haven't.
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Wally couldn't fight the Black Flash in one story headon so he just outran him until the end of time. Also, he's still much faster than Seiya could ever muster.
 
1.What are you getting at by mentioning his other series I care not for his other series that's no argument at all Firstly...

2.Secondly even next dimension calls the primordial God the father of Zeus or something along those lines anyways.He never stated that in the hypermyth the primordial God of time was Zeus he merely stated that "in Greek myth chronos is Zeus"s father" dot dot dot.

3.I can and I will for Hades and top tier Olympian as its established in the series I obviously won't for lower gods but the gods who have this full awareness of it and awakened big will ages ago like Poseidon and Hades is valid enough for me.
 
Panemorfos said:
Truth be told, Seiya (in cannon) doesn't have infinite cosmo. Hecan burn it as much a s he wants, but it ain't infinite. Nobody, besides probably Zeus, has infinte cosmos. But Seiya doesn't need it to win Wally.
Wally's advantage: Speed

Seiya's advantage: DC/AP,Duraability, Fighting skills, flight and 8th sense.

The victor is pretty clear to me.
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Not even Zeus has infinite Cosmos. Sure, he is the strongest of the Olympians, and above the Titans and both Pontus and Uranus, but even he is below other gods such as Gaia in the full of her power, and Chronos (And Ananke, if SS is to be faithful to mythology), who exists since before the multiverse (But still only came to be from Chaos) and created The Great Will that created the Big Bang. Meaning that he is a being of a higher dimension that the greatest Gods.

Really, Classic Saint Seiya is full of hyperboles and contradictions, mostly due to how Kurumada is a hack writer and a guy with a drinking problem. Seriously, the Hypermyth Guidebook many fans mention is ripe with bizarre statements like "Chronos is the father of Zeus" (When it's actually Cronus) and then after it goes on to mention that Zeus, Poseidon and Hades were born as humans (How? If they are the sons of a God?). It also makes a bullshit non-mistery about the existence of Saints above the 12 Golden ones... mainly cause Kurumada wanted to retcon a math problem he made (He previously stated that there were 88 Saints, meaning 48 Bronze + 24 Silver + 12 Gold = 88, the number of constellations... When that actually totals 84.)
 
That was specifically for the Black Flash since it doesn't exist at the end of time. I don't think it would work against Seiya. Like I said, Wally is much faster. This match is inconclusive.
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
1.What are you getting at by mentioning his other series I care not for his other series that's no argument at all Firstly...
2.Secondly even next dimension calls the primordial God the father of Zeus or something along those lines anyways.He never stated that in the hypermyth the primordial God of time was Zeus he merely stated that "in Greek myth chronos is Zeus"s father" dot dot dot.

3.I can and I will for Hades and top tier Olympian as its established in the series I obviously won't for lower gods but the gods who have this full awareness of it and awakened big will ages ago like Poseidon and Hades is valid enough for me.
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1. By mentioning his other series I bring awareness to his traditional style of writing, and how it is ripe with contradictions.

2. Yes, Next Dimensions says "Chronos, he who is said to be the father of Zeus". That, as well as the Hypermyth statement (Which is wrong, Zeus's father is Cronus, not Chronos) shows that he not only cares little for his franchise (Ignoring the Canon Episode G) but knows little of Greek Mythology as well.

3. No, you cannot claim that their power is infinite when all that was shown in the series contradicts said statement. This is simple reasoning. Poseidon, Hades, Athena, Zeus, Ares's power aren't infinite cause they are stablished as in different levels of power. What Kurumada likely meant is that their power is infinite to us humans. Which only means that they are 4-Dimensional, not infinite. What next? If a guidebook from 1991 that's more or less ignored by all Saint Seiya work after claiming that divine power is infinite is enough for you, than we might as well put the Saint Seiya Gods at High 1-B, since they are infinite.
 
About thay, he mentioned (i don't remember where i read it, i will tell you when i find it again) that there were 4 Saints that didn't belong to any category.

Anyway, this battle has happened in other forums and Seiya was always the victor. But from what i remember the only reason Flash had a chance was because of Speed Steal.
 
1.If the author said big will is limitless cosmos then so it shall be.You can't even claim it's not true since Hades or any other God has never been shown tired or limited unless you mention Poseidon who was bound by a human body anyways.And dude Zeus hasn't even been introduced why are you even mentioning him as if you know his capabilities and limitations?And no Gaia isn't stronger than Zeus Cronus killed a primordial God himself like nothing Gaia was vanquished by Zeus how is she superior? Chronos sure ...

2.In the hypermyth it says that "in Greek myth the father of Zeus is Chronos...." -http://philipho.tripod.com/hm-e1.html

In Japanese Chronos and Cronus are both simply spelled Chronos btw stop mentioning that .

As for the rest well I haven't finished the hypermyth but the number of saints is hardly anything notable.

Wait you think that having an infinite amount of energy makes you higher dimensional??? LOOOL what??
 
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