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The Outsider VS Giorno Giovanna

How can the Outsider deal with being returned to zero?
 
Is Giorno vulnerable to mindhax?

Yeah. Excluding hax negation from experience going no and making mindhax pointless from opponent within question.
 
He doesnt need to resist the mind hax GER can just do his job and make outsider just stand there without doing nothing.
 
Yes.


However GER should be able to return it to Zero. Or at least not be affected by it.
 
Is the zero thing a stuff that has anything to do with Time Manipulation?

Also what about Fate Manipulation?
 
Cause and effect excluding the fact ger outright made erased time outright go away from negation hax. Causuality manipulation.
 
The Outsider sees what Giorno will try to do with his precod and turns him and GER to stone. Or tears them apart on a molecular level. Or turns them into ash. Or rats. Or bloatflies. Or BFRs Giorno to the Void. Or BFRs Giorno back in time. Or BFRs Giorno to another timeline. Or summon a Void Spirit to mind hax Giorno and GER while he links their fate with a rat and then crushes it, killing Giorno. Or removes Giorno's soul and seals it in an artificial heart where he cant do anything.
 
Void doesn't have time, and is an infinite universe.

GG has only negated a finite amout of erased time in a finite(?) universe.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
The Outsider sees what Giorno will try to do with his precod and turns him and GER to stone. Or tears them apart on a molecular level. Or turns them into ash. Or rats. Or bloatflies. Or BFRs Giorno to the Void. Or BFRs Giorno back in time. Or BFRs Giorno to another timeline. Or summon a Void Spirit to mind hax Giorno and GER while he links their fate with a rat and then crushes it, killing Giorno. Or removes Giorno's soul and seals it in an artificial heart where he cant do anything.
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Except he wont. He would just negate that and doing that or even killing giorno wont prevent her from acting. And not like he would be aware of ger.
 
@J-Man SBA for Jojo characters makes the opponent aware of the Stand

And as Monarch stated, GG has only negated a finite amout of erased time in a finite universe, whereas the Outsider is able to manipulate an infinite universe that is completely devoid of time.
 
Not quite. There is no reason for that when the stand user exists.

And? Hax is gax for a reason weekly and the outsider lacked Acausality meaning get would negate whatever outsider does even after the fact as he negated giorno having a split open head and a hole within his chest or before even as he outright noped diavolo murdering giorno despite the future guaranteed he would murder giorno from epitaph.

Also will manipulation.
 
Yes quite, this is a rule for basically every Jojo match on this site

And? Nothing is stopping the Outsider from doing all those things i just lister to GER and destroying it, as well as spam teleporting to avoid it which is in character for him to do. That on top of the Outsider being quite literally infinitely more powerful than anything GER has ever done.

He can just summon a Void Spirit to mind hax both Giorno and GER into becoming passive, then use any one of his abilities on them.
 
And multiple users have pointed there is litterally no need for that as the stand having its basic properties would not prevent the opponent from winning as the stand user would be fine.

Not only is that not true but the fact that ger would be preventing anything the outsider would do through causuality hax would be excluding the fact will power manipulation would prevent outsider from even wanting to fight giorno anyway and quoting saikou but prevent any action at all making outsider a near vegetable.

Hax is hax and 4D hax would outright work. He lacked the ability if causuality resistance on his profile hence 4D causuality hax would be fine and this was discussed already with admins and even agreed upon. Hence why giorno vs dbz would be a stomp and get vs goku was closed obviously man.
 
Then make a CRT and get that standard removed as that is what we currently use for Jojo threads on this site.

The Outsider is technically both 4-D and Acausal btw, he's beyond the causality of the physical worlds as well as their respective timelines and freely toys around with them with no repercussions to himself as the Void is cut off from those worlds. So no, GER would not be doing those things to him ma.

Also, i'd like to point out this little tidbit from Our explanation of GER's weaknesses:

"if it can bypass GER's already existing physical strength, speed, and Life Manipulation abilities from its previous stage, then this hypothetical opponent will defeat Giorno."
 
Standard. Point where exactly that rule listed and will do.

4D? Yeah? And? His hax is 4D meaning it would work on a 4D opponent. How that works weekly and ya should be well aware of that man. Also your snarky end of that is most definitely not appreciated and makes ta out ta be a nothing more than a smartass weekly.

>CtrlF. >No acausuality.

Apparently ya wrong.

And quoting an out of context blog for your retort? Nice but ya excluded one thing. The causuality and will power manipulation and then after that ya can point out any ability or strength he would not use anyway.
 
As the profile listed now he would be negated and incapacitated with minimal effort and ya must do a crt or get would be fine.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
Void doesn't have time, and is an infinite universe.

GG has only negated a finite amout of erased time in a finite(?) universe.
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That's exactly why GER's feat is infinitely more impressive, it involves space-time.
 
@Kal The Outsider can manipulate alternate timelines, his powers involve space-time on a wider scale
 
Kaltias said:
Monarch Laciel said:
Void doesn't have time, and is an infinite universe.

GG has only negated a finite amout of erased time in a finite(?) universe.
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That's exactly why GER's feat is infinitely more impressive, it involves space-time.
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Uhh what?

A finite amout of non-existent space-time is somehow greater than an infinite amount of non-existence space-time?

(Don't talk to me about how they are both nothing, that's not how it works here and you know it Mr UKG-was-conceptually-erased-from-non-existence)
 
? Giorno isn't High 3-A because he manipulates nonexistence.

He is High 3-A because he re-created the part of the timeline that was erased. Which is 4-D.

Outsider is currently scaled from manipulating the entirety of a void that is infinite in size, which is 3-D High 3-A (Although judging from what Weekly said he is tier 2)
 
The Outsider manipulating parts of multiple timelines > Giorno recreating part of a single timeline
 
Kaltias, you said that GG's feat was more impressive because it involves space-time. His feat was that he negated the erased time, restoring that part of the universe's timeline. But that was only 10 seconds of erased time, and only in a finite universe. Compare that to the Void, which is an infinite amount of non-existent time of an infinite universe
 
But what the Outsider scales from, right now, is controlling the entire Void at a single point in time.

The feat that you described isn't High 3-A at all, it's Low 2-C.
 
@Kal No, what he's describing is what the Outsider scales to currently on his profile, which is in fact High 3-A
 
"Embodies the Void, an alternate universe that is described as being infinite in size"

I see 0 mentions of space-time here
 
Which... doesn't mention him embodying said universe on a 4-D scale.

And if he does, that's Low 2-C, because embodying a universe on a 4-D scale is Low 2-C.
 
Sorry for interrupting but is The Outsider a 3-D entity with 4-D powers or 4-D entity? And entity here, I mean what type of body does he have?
 
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