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Perfect, a threesome -Okay, just to give you a vote:
it seems that her most notable hax such as RW, spatial manipulation, gravity manipulation, telekinesis, homing attack and Danmaku are from techniques such as Izanami, Izanagi and Susano, which can be easily countered.
IM's most easiest and perfect method of winning is outrange, assuming her teleporation is limited to her range, Tony can just simply spam range attack with his vast asernal from far away, while don't letting Kagura to get near him.
She holds a very tiny AP advanatge (2.85 Gigas Vs 2.3 Gigas), which Tony can outpass via Override.
Also while those techniques are ways in which she CAN use her hax she's not limited to those. Also if you're just going by the Estival Versus versions of the techniques (the ones demonstrated by the gifs on her page) you should know that those, especially Susano, are very much different from their versions in Deep Crimson.
With that said even their Estival Versus versions are by no means easy to dodge.
Starting range by the default is 4Km, above Kagura's range, Tony can take advantage of this and prolong the distance between her and him. Even if she holds him, he can use a force field against her energy attacks, hell, he could directly absorb her energy and redirect it towards her with a Uni-beam.
Aside from techniques, what other things she can do with her hax?
And anything he throws at her from a distance she can simply block using her own omnidirectional forcefields or teleport away from.
What she does with her Spatial/Gravity manipulation is turn the arena upside down and mess with the gravity while that's happening. That is going to take Tony quite some time to get used to and all the while she can spam her Danmaku and other attacks, which is in character as she likes to get battles over with as soon as she can. Additionally, she herself is unaffected by her space-gravity manipulation plus she can still hold him in place with TK during this time.
Forcefields are useful, not sure about teleportation, unless it spameable.
Tony get used to adapt in different gravitasional enviroments when traveling through space in older suits, so she messing gravity is not a factor here. Again, he can just simply absorb her energy attacks, power boost himself and use his own forcefields, and if she doesn't have any other mean of attacking aside from energy attacks and messing with gravity, she's screw as Tony is very adaptive and can quickly outsmart her is she tends to repites the same stuff.
Lmao, why she being resistant to her own powers even matters if her opponent doesn't have them?
Teleportation is quite spammable, she even spams it in-game.
Being able to adapt to outer space is not comparable to what is going on here. The battlefield and gravity are both being flipped upside down. That's going to take Tony a bit to get used to. Also energy projection isn't her only or even her main attack. She uses reality warping to create makeshift daggers, giant swords, etc to cluster the arena with attacks AKA Danmaku.
And the reason I bring up her being unaffected by her manipulation of space and gravity is because while Tony is busy getting used to being upside down she can still fight and attack normally.
Spammable TP is good, but is nothing new in comics, and trash can armors such as the Model 2 has the comparable AoE to cover a power plant, in addition that energy attacks get stronger the more path they travel.
Yeah, as you said, Tony would need to get used for a bit, once he realizes Kagura's pattern of attacks, he's going to come up with a quick strategy to defeat her.
Off-topic, but a certain Mahou Shoujo is going to get a loss, guess who is the reason
Yeah AoE attacks would be a problem if she did not have omnidirectional forcefields. Fortunately, she does, and they don't need to charge up or anything and even if they reach their limit and break, she can just make another one instantly.
And she only needs that little bit while he's adjusting to flood the area with projectiles and attack him from several different directions, especially with that difference in AP and durability.
Forcefields are not problem for Tony, if they are made from her energy, he can simply try to absorb them and amp his stats from it, meaning that he can destroy them more easily.
The power difference is so tiny that is complety irrelevant, and again, Stats Amp. Stark fights multiple foes and dodge attacks from multiple directions on a daily, Danmaku is not a issue.
I'm actually not sure if the forcefields are made from her energy projection or if they're like the projectiles she creates meaning she creates them via reality warping. But either way if she uses them while he's busy trying to AoE her he's not going to be able to absorb the shields.
And he may have experience dodging attacks from multiple directions, but if he has to do so while getting used to the new gravity and arena layout it's going to be a lot more difficult.
Shouldn't Kagura's range be kilometers if she can wipe Kyoto off the map? Also worth pointing out that her feat is very casual, while Tony's is done by using his full power
@Starry + Is still an option if she ever get near him.
As I said before, Tony is very adaptive, and nothing in Kaguya arsenal is new for Tony by this "Age"; Opponents that use different types of TK (Magnetic, Gravimetic or Magical), teleporters, people that spam attacks, and people who can alter the eviroment, he can adapt.
@Kal + Tony still stands with a range advantage. The gap is still very tiny, and he can increase his stats to overwhelm Kagura.
Which she has no need to do unless he decides to get near her first. And just because he's encountered other people who can do what she can doesn't make him any less vulnerable. He may be adaptive but once she turns the arena upside down and starts messing with gravity, that is going to throw him off and at that point she can spawn dozens of reality warped daggers to close in on him at once.
Plus she can still teleport away from or shield herself from his attacks.
Let's seltled this already becuase we're just going on circles.
He can use forcefields and repulsors to protect himself and reflect the daggers, and can just simply attack her while she is messing with the enviroment as he has both good aiming and good AoE.
If she stay away from him, she gets nuked by a barrage of AoE range spamed blasts that not even her teleportation would save from, if she stay too close to him, she get her energy absorbed, gets stuned and paralyzed by sonics and tazers, and beated in close combat.
If he reflects the daggers then she teleports or uses her forcefields. I don't think he's hitting her while he's busy getting flipped and gravity manip'd this way and that but if he is then she can still do one of those two options. If he uses AoE then she can use a forcefield, as they are omnidirectional. And other than maybe her shields, there is nothing for him to absorb. In close combat she just uses her reality warping to create spikes and rifts which harm the opponent. And finally, she can shield or teleport away from or shield herself from the sonic blasts and lasers.
Just because Tony is a genius in combat doesn't mean she's an idiot, and it also doesn't mean he can instantaneously adapt to the ways she flips the arena and gravity. Once she does it the first time, it is going to take him a bit to get used to it and by that time she's already spawned dozens of spikes and impaled him from several different directions.