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The True Pegasus! Gingka Vs Seiya

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  • Both 3-C
  • Pegasus Low Godly allowed (Mid Godly restricted)
  • Speed Equalized
Pegasus Seiya

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"We gained countless scars to arrive this far... We lost countless friends... We have made many sacrifices... Therefore, even if it's far from enough, even if it's only one step at a time... We'll keep walking forward... For as long as there is hope... Miracles will always be possible! This is what our bodies learned in all those past battles: For all our friends, and for Athena... We must keep on fighting! We are this world's and Athena's hope! And if you remain standing in our way, then you leave us with no choice but killing you!"


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"There is something eternal within me as well! Burning our Cosmos, we can acquire infinite power. That way, we Saints become one with the universe and become endlessly stronger and closer to eternity!"


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"Are the Gods truly such grandiose beings? Before the Gods, are humans truly insignificant beings? But we mortals are always giving our best to live our lives the fullest. You think you deserve being a God? When instead of protecting us you laugh at those who fight to survive? To bring forgiveness... And to care for humanity... Is this not the purpose of the Gods? Saori is always willing to share her life with us.... She believes in us! ... HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A GOD IF YOU HAVE NO LOVE FOR HUMANITY? IF THIS IS WHAT GODS TRULY ARE, THEN I DON'T NEED ANY OF YOU!"


Summary

"His burning Cosmos ignites the flames of the Pegasus Saint's miracles!"
— Taizen Encyclopedia.



Seiya (µÿƒþƒó, Seiya) also known as Pegasus Seiya (Õñ®Úª¼µÿƒÕ║ºÒü«µÿƒþƒó, Pegasasu no Seiya) is the titular Main Character of the Saint Seiya Manga and Anime series written and illustrated by Masami Kurumada. Seiya is one of the Goddess Athena's eighty-eight mythical warriors known as Saints, who have served their goddess throughout the ages, protecting justice and peace on Earth. Being the one chosen by the Pegasus Constellation in the 20th Century, Seiya is among the 52 Bronze Saints.

Seiya is a person of burning blood and fiery heart, often acting in impulsive and brash ways. However, he is brave, kind-hearted and selfless, always willing to sacrifice himself for justice, his friends and Athena. Ultimately, his most notable characteristic is his absolute determination and refusal to ever give up, even when faced with impossible odds.

Pegasus Seiya is the reincarnation of the previous Pegasus Saint, Tenma, and also of the First Pegasus Saint, who fought alongside Athena at the end of the Mythological Era, and was the first human to ever harm Hades, the God of the Underworld.

Powers and Stats
Tier: At least 6-C | 4-A, Up to 3-A with Miracles | 3-C | High 3-A normally, 2-C at his Peak | 2-C

Name:
Pegasus Seiya, Slayer of Gods

Origin: Saint Seiya

Gender: Male

Age: 13-17 years old

Classification: Human, Bronze Saint

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Divine Cosmos, Atomic Manipulation and Destruction, Regenerationn (High), Energy Manipulation, Enhanced Senses, Reactive Evolution (Able to analyse and comprehend the components of an enemy's attack after seeing it once, and adapt to it), Flight, Telepathy, Soul Manipulation (Can directly attack and destroy the souls of others. After obtaining the 8th sense, he gained absolute control of his own soul, allowing him to resurrect himself, or exist without a body), Acausality (Through Athena's Ichor/Divine Cosmos), Resistance to Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Illusions, Dream Manipulation, Life Manipulation & Death Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation, Existence Erasure and Void Manipulation, 7th and 8th Sense User, Can continue to fight without the use of any of his senses

Attack Potency: At least Island level (Generated this level of power as early as Chapter 1) | Multi-Solar System level (Comparable to Gold Saints. Cut Aldebaran's horn, harmed Leo Aiolia, defeated Hippocamp Baian who's as strong as a Gold Saint), Up to Universe level with Miracles (Overpowered Gemini Saga's Galaxian Explosion with his Pegasus Comet Fist. Later destroyed Poseidon's Mainstay Pillar, which was protected by his divine Cosmos and would remain intact even after the end of the universe) | Galaxy level (Stronger than an Underworld Judge, greatly harmed Wyvern Rhadamanthys. Comparable to the strongest Gold Saints) | High Universe level normally (Effortlessly killed Thanatos. Raised his Cosmos infinitely, to a level higher than the Athena Exclamatio and the sacrifice of the Gold Saints), Multi-Universe level in his Peak (Was capable of harming Hades, although it cost him his life and Hades suffered no grave injury) | Multi-Universe level (More powerful than any of his previous forms. Reached the 9th Sense, reaching the level of an Olympian God and fighting against Apollo)

Speed: Transonic to High Hypersonic | FTL initially (Dodged Aiolia's Lightspeed with a broken leg and without full control over the 7th Sense), Massively FTL+ when fully mastered, Massively FTL+ through Miracles (Power-scaling from Capricorn Shura) | Massively FTL+ (Crossed Hades' Hyperdimension filled with Billions of Galaxies in what seemed like a few minutes) | Massively FTL+ (Blitzed Thanatos, who far outclassed 8th Sense Seiya in Speed, and who should fully scale from Capricorn Shura's speed feat) | Massively FTL+

Lifting Strength:
Class 100+ | Multi-Stellar | Multi-Stellar+ | Multi-Stellar+ | Multi-Stellar+

Striking Strength:
At least Island Class | Multi-Solar System Class | Galactic | High Universal, Multi-Universe level via burning his Cosmo | Multi-Universe level

Durability:
At least Island level | Galaxy level with Pegasus Bronze Cloth V2/V3 (Survived numerous attacks from Gemini Saga) | Galaxy level | Universe level+ (Was capable of enduring extremely casual attacks from Hades) | Multi-Universe level

Stamina:
Very high | Nearly limitless | Nearly limitless | Limitless | Limitless

Range: Standard melee range. Tens of meters (several dozens) with Energy Blasts | Interstellar, Up to Intergalactic with Miracles | Galactic | Universal normally, Universal+ at his peak | Universal+

Standard Equipment: Pegasus Bronze Cloth

Intelligence: As the chosen Saint of the god-slaying Pegasus Cloth, Seiya possessed great potential from an early age. Having been subjected to the brutal militaristic regimen Sanctuary from the age of six, Seiya became an expert in hand-to-hand combat and can instinctively analyze his opponent's strengths, weaknesses and techniques, being able to pick apart and nullify nearly any technique he's seen once. His skills grew exponentially over the course of his adventures, going toe-to-toe with the Gold Saints, hardened veterans who have decades of experience ahead of Seiya, after a relatively short period of time. He would even go on to take on the gods themselves, all of whom had been honing their mastery of Cosmo and their combat skill for millennia. However, due to being sheltered in Sanctuary for so long, Seiya can be impatient, reckless, and immature. In addition, he ever received formal education and is thus lacking in academic matters. On the other hand, his training has also given him in-depth knowledge of astronomy and mythology as well as a working knowledge of human biology to utilize against his foes.

Weaknesses: Seiya cannot survive in space for very long. Impulsive and brash at times | None Notable

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

  • Pegasus Ryusei Ke
  • Pegasus Rolling Crush
  • Pegasus Suisei Ke
  • Pegasus Ryusei Ken: (Pegasus Meteor Fist) Pegasus Seiya elevates and burns his Cosmos, tracing the Stars of the Pegasus Constellation with his hands, his fiery aura growing and flowing around him. Upon reaching the peak of his power, said aura manifests as the image of a Pegasus. Focusing his Cosmos within his right fist, he releases a great quantity of his power in the form of many Beams of Cosmic Energy. Originally, when Seiya was only capable of reaching speeds of Mach 1, he was capable of releasing merely 100 Meteors. However, as his control of Cosmos and speed increased, so did the number of Meteors / Shooting Stars, being around 100 Million to 1 Billion at Faster than Light Speeds, and likely Hundreds of Trillions in his most powerful forms.
  • Pegasus Rolling Crush: Rushing towards his opponent, Pegasus Seiya grapples his foe from behind to immoblize them. Then, burning his Cosmos to it's limit, both Seiya and his enemy are surrounded by a massive aura, which eventually propels both Seiya and his enemy towards the skies above at insane speeds. Finally, they descend to the Earth again at the same speed, eventually crashing into the ground, dealing great damage.
  • Pegasus Suisei Ken: (Pegasus Comet Fist) Pegasus Seiya's most powerful attack. He burns his Cosmos to it's limits, heavily focusing his energy in his right fist. Then, instead of releasing said energy in the form of his Pegasus Meteor Fist, Seiya combines each of his Meteors into one massive, extremely powerful Comet of Cosmo Energy, which he fires towards his opponent.


Note: See this for calculations on some of Saint Seiya's greatest speed feats.
Gingka Hagane

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Summary
Gingka Hagane (Úï╝ Úèǵ▓│, Hagane Ginga) is the son of Ryo Hagane, leader of Team GanGan Galaxy, one of the Legendary Bladers of the 4 Seasons, and the main protagontist of the Beyblade Metal Series. His partner beyblade is Pegasus, who changes each season to become more powerful.

Powers and Stats
Tier: Ranges from 4-A to 3-C. 3-A via hax | Ranges from 4-A to Low 2-C at full power | At least Low 2-C | At least Low 2-C

Name:
Gingka Hagane

Origin: Beyblade

Gender: Male

Age: 12 in Metal Fusion | 13 in Metal Masters | 14 in Metal Fury | 21 in Shogun Steel

Classification: Blader, Autumn Constellation Legendary Blader, No.1 Blader in the world

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Statistics Amplification (Pegasus can grow much stronger in all stats through Centrifugal Force), Energy Absorption and Manipulation, Flight, Telekinesis (Can control and manipulate stars), Air Manipulation, Heat Manipulation (Storm Bringer creates a vacuum of heat energy), Reality Warping (Pegasus can change the fabric of Pisces pocket dimension into a universe), Soul Manipulation (Can transform into its spirit beast form; Pegasus absorbed the souls of Kyoya, Hikaru and Tsubasa to grow more powerful), Power Mimicry (Is able to replicate the abilities of other beys), Durability Negation (Storm Bringer is able to destroy the spirit forms of other beys), Forcefield Creation (Can create a barrier made out of an energy vacuum), Portal Creation (Storm Bringer can open a portal to another universe), Light Manipulation, Creation (Pegasus created a Galaxy to use for Galaxy Nova), Can survive in outer space, Possibly Regenerationn (Low-Godly; Pegasus's spirit can come back even after it's body is destroyed by an opponent; Pegasus's spirit was reborn inside Galaxy Pegasus), and Resistance to Power and Energy Absorption (Pegasus can resist L-Drago's ability to absorb an opponents power for itself) | All previous abilities at much higher levels, plus Telepathy (Galaxy Pegasus can speak telepathically with Gingka), BFR (Pegasus can teleport Gingka between different universes), Duplication (Pegasus's special move, Stardust Driver, allows it to clone itself when attacking), and Resistance to Petrification (Pegasus can overcome Gravity Destroyers Eye's of Medusa, which can petrify even a bey's spirit), Soul Manipulation (Pegasus can resist and put out Hades Kerbecs's flames, which can burn souls to nothing), Gravity Manipulation, and Space-Time Manipulation (Pegasus can resist Gravity Destroyer's gravity abilities, such as Eyes of Medusa; Pegasus can break out from inside Twisted Tempo's Black Hole, which can also control space and time) | All previous abilities at much higher levels, plus Reactive Evolution, Limited Transformation via Mode Changing, Sealing (Is one of the 4 season legendary beys, who can use Gaia's power to form Zeus's barrier when together), Can use Gaia's power to wield the power of the earth, Pocket Dimension Creation (Can create a pocket space of nothingness), Power and Energy Absorption (Pegasus absorbed the powers of all the Legendary Bladers beys, and all beys in the world, to take on Nemesis) | All abilities at much higher levels

Attack Potency: Ranges from Multi-Solar System level to Galaxy level (Pegasus can easily form the Pegasus Constellation, and draw power from it, which is made of many stars; Pegasus created an entire Galaxy to use for its special move and provided light to it ). Universe level via hax (Using reality warping, Pegasus can change the fabric of Pisces's pocket dimension into a universe) | Ranges from Multi-Solar System level to Universe level+ at full power (Far superior to Storm Pegasus and Lightning L-Drago; Surpassed the power of beys such as Twisted Tempo, who can create a universe with its special move, and Dark Wolf, who's spirit form contains an entire universe inside itself; Galaxy Pegasus also had an entire universe for itself while sealed away) | At least Universe level+ (Became much stronger when evolving into Cosmic Pegasus; Surpassed and defeated Nemesis, the God of Destruction, after receiving the power of all the Legendary Bladers and all beys in the world) | At least Universe level+ (Becomes far stronger by the time of Shogun Steel)

Speed: Massively FTL+ (Easily traveled to another Galaxy in seconds as Storm Pegasus, which yields these results ) | Massively FTL+ (Far superior to Storm Pegasus and Lightning L-Drago) | Massively FTL+ | Massively FTL+

Lifting Strength:
At least Class Y (Is superior to Jade Jupiter, who can easily manipulate planets) | Universal | Universal | Universal

Striking Strength:
Ranges from Multi-Solar System Class to Galactic | Ranges from Multi-Solar System Class to Universal+ | At least Universal+ | At least Universal+

Durability:
Ranges from Multi-Solar System level to Galaxy level (Can fight against equally powerful opponents, such as L-Drago) | Ranges from Multi-Solar System level to Universe level+ | At least Universe level+ | At least Universe level+

Stamina:
Very high

Range: Galactic (Went to another galaxy to use special moves like Galaxy Nova and Stardust Driver). Universal via hax | Universal+ (Changed the fabric of a pocket dimension into a universe it was in; Galaxy Pegasus had an entire universe to itself when sealed)

Standard Equipment: Storm Pegasus, Galaxy Pegasus, Cosmic Pegasus, Samurai Pegasus, Beylauncher.

Intelligence: While not the most intelligent of bladers, Gingka is very skilled to think outside the box and pull off plans and battle strategies that get him out of tough situations. Pegasus, while technically not living, is also sentient itself and can understand human speech when battling alongside Gingka. It can also communicate with people.

Weaknesses: Can be idiotic at times, can be emotional | Sealing is useless in combat without all 4 Season Legendary Blader Beys.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

  • Pegasus Starblast Attack: Pegasus flies high into the sky to come back downward for a powerful strike.
  • Pegasus Meteor Shower Attack: By summoning the Pegasus Constellation, Pegasus flies down from space to strike at the opponent empowered by strong energy.
  • Pegasus Tornado Wing: Pegasus creates a powerful tornado, similar to Leones Lion Gale Force Wall.
  • Pegasus Storm Bringer: Pegasus swiftly moves around at high speeds, to generate energy and heat to create an updraft that lifts the opponent into the air, and then creates an energy vacuum to cut through the air current to deliver a powerful strike.
  • Pegasus Galaxy Nova: Pegasus flies far into space and creates a galaxy and quickly flies into it to come traveling back down at the opponent with a swirling energy blast.
  • Pegasus Starbooster Attack: Pegasus flies high into the sky to come back downward with an attack surrounded by powerful energy.
  • Pegasus Stardust Driver: Like Galaxy Nova, Pegasus flies far into space and creates a galaxy to come back from with a powerful energy-blast, but also creates duplicates.
  • Pegasus Cosmic Tornado: Pegasus activates its Final Drive Mode, to restore any lost power, and spins rapidly to either strike at the opponent or create a tornado of energy.
  • Pegasus Shining Wind: Pegasus creates a tornado out of powerful shining energy to fly to and back from the other end of the Universe, with Gingka's spirit, for a powerful energy-blast.
  • Pegasus Super Cosmic Nova: Used only when Shining Wind and Cosmic Tornado are used one after another. After using Cosmic Tornado, Pegasus generates even more power in the form of an energy tornado to activate Super Cosmic Nova and finish the opponent off.


Key: Metal Fusio | Metal Masters | Metal Fury | Shogun Steel

Note:
Due to absorbing the star fragments from all the Legendary Bladers, and every bey in the world, except for Nemesis, Pegasus obtains the powers and abilities of all beys in the Metal Saga. However, it must be noted in versus threads that Pegasus retains all bey abilities, otherwise he cannot use them. |} |} |} |} |}

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Just will say this for now (it's probably a stomp anyway)

Im pretty sure you can't restrict the Mid-Godly part of Pegasus's regen when the regen itself is Low-Godly to possibly Mid. It's not 2 separate regen feats.

And before anyone asks where Mid-Godly comes from, Beyblade regen feats involving the beys spirits was agreed to be at least low-godly to possibly mid-godly all in one. Gingkas page was locked before this was agreed upon, which is why he still has the "possibly". Its an error on my part.
 
No it is! It's just that, most SS characters are kinda OP and (I could be wrong about this since IDK the verse) depending on whats being used Gingka's Pegasus might not have much of a chance.

What stuff does 3-C Pegasus Seiya have for him here?

BTW, Gingka's page was updated to fix some stuff so you should copy and repaste Pegasus's abilities and stuff here.
 
I'll camp out here for input.
 
@Kukui How can there be a Gingka match with you not alerting me ovo.

Is this the Seiya that negates Mid-Godly.
 
Because I surprisingly lost focus from it OvO

I honestly don't know. That's why I want to know exactly what 3-C Seiya has so I know what I'm going in against.
 
Alright. Finally going to reply to this and will take into account everything before voting. Just noting it was approved for P Seiya's removal of High regen, so my reply will be going off that too. Also, everyone excuse my possible ignorance since I know very little on SS.

As far as resistances go, all of Seiya's except resistance to soul manip is completely useless since Storm Pegasus doesnt have those haxes. That being said, I'll need someone to specify how great Seiya's resistance is given his page lacks specification on resistance to stuff like soul Destruction. Storm Pegasus is able to, as an additional effect, completely destroy souls. At least doing so with its special move Storm Bringer. Granted the resistance, if Seiya isn't able to stop his soul from being specificaly destroyed, then Pegasus can hit him with this move. However, the same thing goes for Pegasus here too. It's resistances are to stuff Seiya doesnt have so they're moot too.

Speed is equal so this can be ignored. Now for abilities.

Defensive wise, Storm Pegasus has no time manip so Seiya's Acasuality is a non-factor. Low-Mid regen from Seiya is also pretty useless against Pegasus's attacks, especially soul-destroying ones. This then comes to Seiya's ressurection via the soul. Seiya's soul manip with 8th sense makes him able to completely control his own soul and even ressurect as it without a body and exist without a body. I might interpret this wrong, but it seems Seiya needs to have his soul remain intact in order to do this, which will be moot if Pegasus destroys it. Reactive Evolution may do something, but if it can't bring back Seiya from pegasus's attacks, that'll also be worthless (and I hear from others its kinda inconsistent). For Pegasus, besides it's regen, Pegasus can replicate Leone's Lion Gale Force Wall technique (And its own Tornado Wing) to create powerful tornados to block Seiya's normal attacks, absorb energy from opponents and most notably, Pegasus can make barriers made from the same energy properties of Storm Bringer, meaning even soul targeting attacks can't bypass it.

Offensive wise, Pegasus has multiple different abilities. For starters, its Storm Bringer once again. As explained on his page, the move creates a powerful vaccum of heat and energy that makes an updraft, lifts the opponent and cuts through the air current to make a powerful strike. Even an incomplete variation of the move gives Pegasus reality warping capable of warping a pocket dimension into a universe. Combine that with heat manip and soul destruction to make a massive attack. Pegasus also has creation in its aresenal that can even create entire galaxies. Next comes Pegasus's telekiness that can even control stars and power mimicry. Stuff from Seiya like Divine Cosmos and Atomic Destruction can work here, but given Seiya is fighting a literal spinning top, would he be willing to use such drastic stuff that soon on something he'd see as a joke at first? Highy debatable.

Next is special attacks. Seiya's Ryusei Ken would prove ineffective as not only he needs to charge it, but assuming Storm Pegasus can't stop him from using it, energy beams moving at equalized speeds can easily be absorbed, avoided or flat out stopped by Pegasus in multiple ways. Rolling Crush is basically Seismic Toss on steroids, which also wont work. As a beyblade, Pegasus already has a huge size advantage and should have 0 issues on avoiding Seiya to prevent him from capturing Pegasus. Same thing pretty much for Suisei Ken. A comet can definitely be avoided and if having the AP advantage Pegasus can simply just destroy it. For Pegasus, half of its special moves are ineffective too, sans Tornado Wing and Storm Bringer for reasons already stated. Then we have its best attack, Galaxy Nova, where it literally creates a galaxy to fly into and come back at the opponent as a spirling swirl of cosmic energy.

Overall, im going to go with Gingka and Pegasus. Alot of Seiya's stuff is pretty moot here and the stuff that isn't can either be stopped by Pegasus's simple stuff or what likely can't be stopped would likely not be pulled out right away.
 
@ProfessorKukui4life

you say

"As far as resistances go, all of Seiya's except resistance to soul manip is completely useless since Storm Pegasus doesnt have those haxes."

Then you add

" Low-Mid regen from Seiya is also pretty useless against Pegasus's attacks, especially soul-destroying ones"

It's pretty contradictory I think na ?
 
How is that contradictory? Low-Mid regen has nothing to do with Seiya's resistance and it isn't capable of standing up to overly-powered attacks. Hence why I put "especially" in.
 
Do you have proof that Gingka's Soul Manipulation would do anything against Seiya's resistance to Soul Manipulation?
 
"Stuff from Seiya like Divine Cosmos and Atomic Destruction can work here, but given Seiya is fighting a literal spinning top, would he be willing to use such drastic stuff that soon on something he'd see as a joke at first?"

Seiya's basic powers are atom destroying.

Pretty sure he's resistant to soul stuff from people like Deathmask, who can rip souls from people's bodies, and people with better soul hax than him.
 
Seiya cannot get past Mid-godly regen.

And seiya's every single attack hits the atoms and soul.

8th sense seiya can resurrect, btw.
 
First, not Gingka's, Pegasus's.

Second, I know Seiya's resistant to soul manipulating but what I asked before is he resistant to his soul being destroyed, not just manipulated in the normal fashion?
 
"Pretty sure he's resistant to soul stuff from people like Deathmask, who can rip souls from people's bodies, and people with better soul hax than him"

Deathmask never fought Seiya. And shiryu didnt show any resistance to Deathmask's hax. And I dont remember him fighting anyone with soul hax before becoming God Cloth (unless you want to count Thanatos or that judge from the underworld, but that was weird soul hax).
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
It's on the page. I think most SS characters scale resistances.
SS characters become resistant most times after receiving a full blast from hax. Not before. That's what their reactive evolution is for.
 
Hey if seiya can not bypass Mid Godly, can we restrict this ability? because he can not win like that
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
I didn't write the pages y'know...
Im just explaining. I must point out that Im referring to Saints. Gods do share resistances by just being gods, I think.
 
DodoNova2 said:
Hey if seiya can not bypass Mid Godly, can we restrict this ability? because he can not win like that
Can little pegasus stop seiya from resurrecting?
 
Literally every single Saint Seiya character can kill souls with punches and kicks, even Jabu does it with ease. The only way they don't kill each other's souls with single punches is via Resistance. Or their souls are unlike the souls of most series and scale to their durability.

Also when someone dies in Saint Seiya they fall under the control of Hades and become ghoulish withering souls who get thrown into Hell because he's a dick, at least until they reeincarnate (Dark). Those with 8th Sense resist this and keep their individuality and sanity after death, and they are able to manifest "Physical forms" within the Underworld allowing them to still fight and use their powers. And they can Resurrect just by leaving the Underworld. You'd have to die in the Underworld to truly die if you have the 8th Sense.
 
Yeah, they do have resistance to soul destruction, that's obvious since everyone can destroy souls there.
 
Well my bad since, again, I know very little on SS

EDIT: Someone should update his page then since it doesnt explain or detail any of this, which is important.
 
"fall under the control of Hades and become ghoulish withering souls who get thrown into Hell because he's a dick"

Tbh, he is not that much of a dick compared to other gods.
 
"Seiya's Ryusei Ken would prove ineffective as not only he needs to charge it, but assuming Storm Pegasus can't stop him from using it, energy beams moving at equalized speeds can easily be absorbed, avoided or flat out stopped by Pegasus in multiple ways."

1. It's literally just an energized barrage of punches. It takes as much charging as a ki blast takes in Dragon Bal.

2. It's not an energy beam. It's just that Seiya's fists are energized leaving the trails of cosmos, and he punches so fast that it seems like he is firing energy at the opponent.

3. Also even if speed is equalized, I assume we can consider both opponents to be MFTL+, right?

So.

At the beginning of the series, Seiya was at least Mach 1 and could unleash at least 100 energized punches with the Ryuseiken per second. Explanation here.

Speed of light is Mach 874030. So 874030 * 100 = 87,403,000 punches. Which is consistent with Aiolia's casual 100,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 punches per second.

If we allow to base it on calcs, 8th Sense Seiya would be able to unleash literally Quintillions to Septillions more energized punches per second since that's how fast Shura is.

I don't think that Gingka can defend against that, even with speed equalized.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Well my bad since, again, I know very little on SS

EDIT: Someone should update his page then since it doesnt explain or detail any of this, which is important.
The profiles need some work. I mean, I could help with some stuff, but I dont think Matt woulf let me tbh.
 
First, i'd like to apologize since again, my knowledge on SS is very very limited and I was going off the pages in my reply above. Please excuse my ignorance toward the series matt.

That said, I still believe Pegasus could win this for Gingka so give me a min to reply and we can get into it.

Also, yay! My first time arguing against Matt ovo
 
"Even an incomplete variation of the move gives Pegasus reality warping capable of warping a pocket dimension into a universe"

One of the three Judges, Aiacos, can create pocket dimensions and BFR people inside it, and attack from within. Ikki escapes it. In fact escaping from personal dimensions is common place in Saint Seiya.

"Combine that with heat manip and soul destruction to make a massive attack"

Aiolos can reproduce the heat of the sun's core with ease. He is obviously above Seiya but still.
 
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