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Specific Ability Pages

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I was wondering the limit and validity of having specific ability pages. For example, The Force. The Force is used to perform abilities like Mind Manipulation and Precognition, which The Force has on its ability page. But why does this page exist?

Multiple prominent Force Users have no link to The Force whatsoever, instead opting to explain the abilities granted to them by the Force in the Powers and Abilities and Notable Attacks sections. If explanation is needed for each ability and the varied application of it, why have the Force's page at all? It seems superfluous if it isn't going to be linked on the profiles.

If pages like it are valid to have, they should probably be linked on the profiles of their users, just like the other abilities' pages are.

Also if such ability pages are OK and deemed NOT superfluous, can a new one be made? In Divinity, Source is an incredibly potent and variable power that can be used in a number of different ways, and could be linked to profiles of its users directly. This clearly isn't an issue for being Verse-Specific, since the Force is only used by a single verse.
 
Yeah it's different than Mind Manipulation and whatnot. It is just an explanation of a verse-specific power and its applications... even though those applications aren't universal an require explanation anyway. If they were universal, we could just have The Force listed on all the Star Wars profiles, but that wouldn't look good. So even if the page abilities were applicable universally I still don't think it would be the best idea.
 
Well we should probably get some more opinions before deleting it. I mean that is what we are leaning towards doing, correct?
 
Would the same apply to those Super Saiyan pages? They don't really give any statistics, are generally unneeded and seems like they repeat info.
 
I think so. Basically just "its a transformation that increases power!"

OK? Most transformations are...
 
Well, I do not think that either The Force or the Super Saiyan pages cause any harm, and that it seems unnecessary to remove them, but it is best to ask Soldier Blue and Reppuza to give input here.
 
Well, the reason why we agree with it getting deleted is because it is completely verse-specific, and it's not even linked in their pages.
 
The pages themself don't cause any harm directly.

However they are exceptions to the "Do not create unnecessary minor sub-categories of already listed powers" rule without a good reason.

If we allow them people can justifiably ask why making pages for any other ability that is specific to a verse is not allowed.


We should be consequent in our rules. Either we allow all such verse specific ability pages, in which case we possibly get a great amount of them, or we should consistently not have them.

I vote for not having them.
 
@DontTalk

Okay. That makes sense. Thank you for being a rational voice as usual. I am so overworked nowadays that it is getting harder to keep track of everything.
 
Are they concept profiles? (At least the Super Saiyan pages, I haven't seen the Force's page yet). I feel like those are very useful, or at least the idea of concept profiles have the potential to be very useful for explaining franchise-exclusive concepts. Whilst Super Saiyan pages and The Force may not be the best at representing my point, as they are well known, I feel like concept profiles are extremely useful at explaining little-known concepts.
 
We don't need to set a precedent for having admin-protected, verse-specific ability profiles. Such a thing should be explained in the verse's page, not in its own page. In the case of the Force, it isn't even linked to its Users so it is completely superfluous.
 
I agree with Shadow for the latter point, although only short if that is apt enough. If it needs to be long to be effective and clear, so be it.
 
I hate to bump this, but the Force and Super Saiyan pages are still there. We agreed verse-specific pages shouldn't be around, but nothing happened.
 
I don't see anything wrong with the Super Saiyan pages, as they're concept profiles, but I believe it was agreed The Force should be moved to "explanations" on the Star Wars profile.
 
The SSJ profiles serve the exact same purpose as the Force's. They should be explained in the verse's page, not have separate, verse-specific ability pages. Maybe a blog if someone wants to make one for them.
 
Aren't they concept profiles instead of ability pages. I remember some users well-versed with the wiki seeing them as pretty different from ability pages and quite alien to them due to the rarity of concept profiles.
 
They seem like abilities to me. Super Saiyan is just a specific transformation and the Force is an enabler of mental-based powers in the Star Wars universe.
 
I'm fairly indifferent to this. On one hand, they don't cause a lot of harm since we list the abilities they correspond to on the pages themselves. But, as The Everlasting said, they're pretty superfluous and the page isn't even linked to any of the Star Wars profiles.

I never really understood why we have separate pages for explaining Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue, and Super Saiyan Kaio-Ken.
 
Personally i'm against specific powers pages, DT summed it pretty well. They aren't really needed and are an exception to the rule
 
@Reppuzan

Only harm I see is setting a precedent for verse-specific ability pages that we will have to manage and quality control.
 
Yes. I am also uncertain in either direction regarding this issue.
 
Yes i see no reason why we should have these, they should just be explained in the verse page in a short summary, otherwise, we might have Susanoo, Almighty, volstandig, Quirk pages in the future that bring nothing more than extra work for the wiki, something i think the staff members dont need.
 
Well, I suppose that DontTalk is probably correct, as usual.

Is anybody willing to remove the pages, and to adjust any other pages that link to them?
 
 
From what I recall, Haki is linked to in a lot of One Piece pages though, and I think that it would at least be useful to move the information to a section of the main One Piece page first. Ditto for The Force to the Star Wars verse page, and the Super Saiyan and Ultra Instinct pages to Dragon Ball... Which naturally seems to just get cluttered instead.

Perhaps the better option would be to keep the pages, and simply slightly adjust our rules concerning the issue instead? I personally find the pages useful for fans who are interested in how specific concepts work for various fictions.
 
But I would then recommend that we have one Super Saiyan Page and put all it's variations and explanation into that one page, as I think it's unnecessary to have a page for Super Saiyan 2 3 etc. something that only changes your power and your hair.
 
Well, we could simply include an instruction to only create explanation pages for important concepts within popular fictions, and then only if they are reasonably well-written.

A single Dragon Ball transformations explanation page seems sensible to me.
 
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