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Doomguy vs. Pennywise

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ONLY Derry avatar Pennwise? because I recall that one getting its arse kicked by a bunch of kids. and Doomguy has a double minigun, the BFG as well as Plasma gun.

Unless I'm thinking about the wrong Pennywise
 
Akreious said:
ONLY Derry avatar Pennwise? because I recall that one getting its arse kicked by a bunch of kids. and Doomguy has a double minigun, the BFG as well as Plasma gun.
Unless I'm thinking about the wrong Pennywise.
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This wiki uses novel pennywise who is town level and only lost because a 1-a being was pulling plot strings to make him lose.
 
Doom guy resists mind manipulation and possession. Blood manipulation only applies to making fountains of blood come out of nowhere. Reality Warping can't be use in combat. Pennywises non-corpeality only occurs between forms he takes and his durability depends on what he takes the form of which can make him something of a glass cannon. Please explain how this is a had stomp.
 
Doomguy gets stomped hard. Even if Doom can hit Pennywise. He's not putting him down with that Low-High regen and Type 9 immortality. Penny also outhaxes Doomguy with a bunch of other abilities. I'd go into more detail, But I don't think there would be much of a point.
 
VersusJunkie54 said:
Doomguy gets stomped hard. Even if Doom can hit Pennywise. He's not putting him down with that Low-High regen and Type 9 immortality. Penny also outhaxes Doomguy with a bunch of other abilities. I'd go into more detail, But I don't think there would be much of a point.
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Read my above comment about why this isn't a stomp.
 
The Wright Way said:
VersusJunkie54 said:
Doomguy gets stomped hard. Even if Doom can hit Pennywise. He's not putting him down with that Low-High regen and Type 9 immortality. Penny also outhaxes Doomguy with a bunch of other abilities. I'd go into more detail, But I don't think there would be much of a point.
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Read my above comment about why this isn't a stomp.
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Already did. Doomguy has no way to put down Type 9 Immortality. And without powerups he doesn't really have the biggest AP advantage. Even if it isin't a stomp. Pennywise wins rather easily.
 
The Wright Way said:
if a character has no way to get past it then type 9 immortality is restricted by default.
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Where is that a rule? I don't recall such a concept in the past. In order for Type 9 to be restricted, it has to be specified by the OP.
 
The Wright Way said:
Doom guy resists mind manipulation and possession. Blood manipulation only applies to making fountains of blood come out of nowhere. Reality Warping can't be use in combat. Pennywises non-corpeality only occurs between forms he takes and his durability depends on what he takes the form of which can make him something of a glass cannon. Please explain how this is a had stomp.
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Also. Your claim for Penny's Non-Coporeal is hollow and baseless. Please provide some proof if you expect people to consider it. Doom has no way of harming a non-coporeal being.
 
The Wright Way said:
if a character has no way to get past it then type 9 immortality is restricted by default.
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Not true, if it's higher dimensional it's restricted, but if it's not then it's okay as long as the OP allows it
 
Gargoyle One said:
The Wright Way said:
if a character has no way to get past it then type 9 immortality is restricted by default.
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Not true, if it's higher dimensional it's restricted, but if it's not then it's okay as long as the OP allows it
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What does Penny classify as here?
 
Anyway, going for Doomguy.

BFG instantly atomizes Penny on contact, and is far more intelligent and a better fighter
 
Gargoyle One said:
Anyway, going for Doomguy.
BFG instantly atomizes Penny on contact, and is far more intelligent and a better fighter
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Any proof that the BFG can harm Non-Coporeal beings? And I doubt Doomguy is smarter than Penny. He's been around for millions of years iirc. Doom was in hell for several lifetimes Acording to his profile.
 
Never has, Derry version of Zoe Penny isn't Non-Corporal anyway.

Penny was KOd for this millions of years however, and he spends 27 years asleep and has never fought anyone anywhere near Doomguys level
 
Gargoyle One said:
Never has, Derry version of Zoe Penny isn't Non-Corporal anyway.
Penny was KOd for this millions of years however, and he spends 27 years asleep and has never fought anyone anywhere near Doomguys level
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Citation needed.


Doom has never fought anyone with Penny's range of abilities. Doom has no resistance to illusions. So he could trick Doom into firing off all his ammo into phantom targets. Penny can also become invisible, warp reality... etc etc.
 
....How do you give a citation of someone not showing an ability.........?

Illusions are useless because of Doom's visor, invisibility is nothing new, and Penny's Reality Warping has never been used in combat outside his Low 2C form
 
Gargoyle One said:
....How do you give a citation of someone not showing an ability.........?
Illusions are useless because of Doom's visor, invisibility is nothing new, and Penny's Reality Warping has never been used in combat outside his Low 2C form
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You're the one making the claim that he isin't. If he isin't non coproreal then why does he have that on his profile? I'm sorry but just because you say something doesn't mean people will beleive it mindlessly. That's not how debating works. Sorry.

How will Doom's visor counteract illusions? If it did I'm sure he'd have that in his profile by now.
 
Because his Low 2C form is non-Corporal, that's why. Course, that means nothing here.

It tells him that said enemies are not actually also,

Also may I ask what stops Doom from nuking the ground beneath him?
 
Gargoyle One said:
Because his Low 2C form is non-Corporal, that's why. Course, that means nothing here.
It tells him that said enemies are not actually also,

Also may I ask what stops Doom from nuking the ground beneath him?
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Speed is equal so Penny would have time to teleport away.

Keep in mind that Doom has no Regenerationn. So each hit Pennywise lands is going to last.

If that is so for his Non-Coporeal. Then someone needs to go to Penny's profile and seperate his avatar's abilities from the deadlights. Seriously? Why isin't this wiki more on top of stuff like that?
 
Alright people, read up. I'm not typing any of this again.

Immortality: This isn't immediate enough to be useful here. The Losers were able to defeat 7-C Pennywise for long enough that they assumed it to have died completely. It doesn't appear again within Stephen King's continuity until later novels that are set several years after the events of IT.

Regenerationn: Again, this implied to not be immediate, since (I'm assuming?) it refers to 7-C Pennywise surviving its 'death' at the end of the novel. More than that, the only visible/combat-applicable Regenerationn feat that I can remember from the novel is the manifestation immediately regenerating from a gunshot to the dome.

Blood Manipulation: Literally just an illusion of blood spewing from inside a sink. It can't actually manipulate anyone else's blood.

Mind Manipulation: Its best mindhax comes from its Low 2-C form. The Losers are some of the most basic psychics in Stephen King's mythos, and even they were able to resist 7-C Pennywise's baseline telepathic/psychic offenses, only succumbing to its more powerful illusions. The Doom Slayer has fairly strong mental resistance, given that the Berserk Sphere (something he uses and abuses every single time he gets his hands on it) drives normal people insane after a single use. He should be capable of just about walking through all but the most potent mind manipulation that 7-C Pennywise can dish out.

Non-Corporeality: Only in effect when using Penny's Low 2-C form.

Spatial Manipulation: I don't know where this comes from, but it most likely only applies to its Low 2-C form.

Illusions/Reality Warping: Unusable thanks to the visor of Doom's Praetor Armor, which analyzes just about everything in front of him. Beyond that, if you count illusions as being a subset of mind manipulation, then Doom walks through those anyway. Reality warping is literally 'its illusions can hurt you', so if the illusions themselves are taken out of the picture, it becomes a non-factor.

AP: This is one of my biggest issues with this character as of late. It's occured to me recently that Penny's manifestation in Derry isn't 7-C physically. Its Town level feats are environmental-only and not combat applicable in any sense of the word; the storm/flood it caused was a result of its death, and the sheer power of the cataclysmic impact caused by its arrival has yet to be replicated by the Derry avatar at any point. And this leads me to...

Durability: My other big issue with Pennywise in recent weeks. 7-C Penny's durability is entirely dependent on its shape, and none of its transformations have had anywhere near Town level durability. In fact, this may even be the entity's weakest area, since this would mean its a glass cannon. There's proof of this, also; At one point in the story, I remember Penny attempting to shapeshift into its own version of Roda (specifically the '50s one, which is so physically weak for Town level that it isn't even funny) with elements of a crow that attacked one of the characters as a child. The closest approximation it managed to reach was an above-average-sized crow with balloons attached to it, and it had to rely on its powers of illusion in order to make said character think it had actually transformed into Rodan.

I've been gradually remembering details from the IT novel over the last few months, and the more I do so, the more I'm starting to feel like the character('s manifestation) has been the subject of overhype. I'm going to bring all of this up in a CRT later on once I have the novel itself within my collection again.

In the meantime, as far as a straight fight goes, I'm taking all of the above info into account when I say that Pennywise:

  • Screws around with Doom (as per its character behavior)
  • Tries out enough of its powers to realize that none of them are working
  • Eventually gets hit in the face with a BFG shot which completely vaporizes it, eliminates its ability to regenerate (as per the limits of Low-High Regenerationn) and prevents it from coming back for several years.
Put me down for Doom. He has my vote.
 
Speed is equal so Penny would have time to teleport away.

Keep in mind that Doom has no Regenerationn. So each hit Pennywise lands is going to last.

If that is so for his Non-Coporeal. Then someone needs to go to Penny's profile and seperate his avatar's abilities from the deadlights. Seriously? Why isin't this wiki more on top of stuff like that?

He'd have to actually see this happen and react to it.

I mean...Regen isn't really needed to not make a hit last considering Doom is 4x stronger and wears a ton of armor.

Dunno, King is making a CRT
 
The main problem this time around is that Pennywise's 7-C key is too damn vague. It leads to people assuming the Derry avatar is far more powerful than it really is.
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
The main problem this time around is that Pennywise's 7-C key is too damn vague. It leads to people assuming the Derry avatar is far more powerful than it really is.
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The Derry avatar and Deadlight abilities should have been seperated from the start.

Anyways I change my vote to Doom for King's reasons.
 
VersusJunkie54 said:
Doom has it way too easy in all of these threads. There's gotta be a character that can give him a run for his money....
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With Equal Speed, I'm inclined to say there's no one who can beat him without stomping him
 
Gargoyle One said:
VersusJunkie54 said:
Doom has it way too easy in all of these threads. There's gotta be a character that can give him a run for his money....
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With Equal Speed, I'm inclined to say there's no one who can beat him without stomping him
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Considering the wide range of characters on this wiki. I highly doubt that is the case. Doom is only in the lower half on 7-C. And there is a whole bunch of other abilities out there he has no resistance to. BFG also tops out at mid-High regen.
 
Gargoyle One said:
With Equal Speed, I'm inclined to say there's no one who can beat him without stomping him
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Nah, Ruins Test seemed to have the advantage in their thread together, and Cole McGrath also beats him after a hard fight. (Although admittedly, that much can still be argued somewhat)
 
Doomguy wrecks IT. I was going to say what @King just said, but he did it perfectly. (Nice job, matey!)

Even if we assumed IT is physically that strong, both AP and Durability-wise, we'd need to factor that most of his powers wouldn't work, and that coupled with the fact Doomguy has a ridiculous plethora of demon-slaying specific weapons, absurd damage multipliers and the likes, I can't see IT winning here.
 
Even without the multipliers (which are banned in this matchup, btw), Doom thrashes it physically. Like I said before, it couldn't even properly transform into a 1 kiloton being.

Even then, the fact that all of its powers are useless, plus the fact that its manifestation has never fought anyone as strong, skilled or prepared as the Doom Slayer, means it really doesn't stand a chance in this fight.
 
I'm voting Doomslayer for reasons above. He has resistance to most of Penny's hax as and is way more powerful physically. Since the BFG 9000 vaporizes targets, Penny would need at least Mid-High Regenerationn to survive, but he only has Low-High. And since vaporization means not a single drop/cell of blood remains, the BFG kills. And if Penny managed to get close to Doomslayer, he basically punches him Saitama style. Doomslayer physically overpowered and defeated the Titan; who is several hundred times larger and probably several times stronger than Cyberdemon; who can tank multiple BFG 9000 headshots.

And yeah, as @MrKing mentioned, Ruins Test is decisively winning against Doomslayer; but that's off topic.

So is the vote count 5 - 0 with Doomslayer taking the lead?
 
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