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Pennywise Vs Monika
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I think we need Saikou for this
For now, I vote for the clown because the clown's immortality is a pain in the butt to deal with, plus Monika is not immortal... so I guess Pennywise can just outclass Monika (She can only come back to life, while Pennywise simple just can't drop dead for good)
For now, I vote for the clown because the clown's immortality is a pain in the butt to deal with, plus Monika is not immortal... so I guess Pennywise can just outclass Monika (She can only come back to life, while Pennywise simple just can't drop dead for good)
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Unless the fight takes place in the Deadlights, then Monika can't do anything at all to hurt Pennywise. If it does, then mindscrew.
The best she can do is nuke the Plot to make Pennywise unable to interact with the universe. But he can just nuke it from outside.
The best she can do is nuke the Plot to make Pennywise unable to interact with the universe. But he can just nuke it from outside.
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Pennywise for reasons above
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Pennywise also blitzes if the battle takes place within the Deadlights. Omnipresence throughout an entire realm is functionally superior to moving in a place where time doesn't flow.
Normally I'd say Monika's mind manip could help due to IT's general weakness to psionics, but going by her profile, her mind powers aren't anywhere near strong enough to use on Low 2-C IT. (The Losers needed their psychic powers amped by Maturi in order to harm its true form in that fashion)
Beyond that, pretty much what Saikou said. Outside of the Deadlights, she can't do anything to Pennywise's true form. Inside the Deadlights, she gets mindhaxed and eaten alive.
Normally I'd say Monika's mind manip could help due to IT's general weakness to psionics, but going by her profile, her mind powers aren't anywhere near strong enough to use on Low 2-C IT. (The Losers needed their psychic powers amped by Maturi in order to harm its true form in that fashion)
Beyond that, pretty much what Saikou said. Outside of the Deadlights, she can't do anything to Pennywise's true form. Inside the Deadlights, she gets mindhaxed and eaten alive.
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@Dodo: I dunno if changing the location will do anything, since the same situation technically applies no matter where you put the two of them. As long as she's within Pennywise's effective range, its mind control, memory wiping and reality-warping illusions can still affect her. If she's anywhere near the Deadlights (read: close enough to look at them), then she gets the classic 'Lovecraftian insanity' treatment the moment she sees Penny's true form.
@Js: Yeah, Penny's not omnipresent outside of the Deadlights. Just inside. (It can still see into other universes, though)
@Js: Yeah, Penny's not omnipresent outside of the Deadlights. Just inside. (It can still see into other universes, though)
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For Pennywise itself, maybe...
The people of Derry probably wouldn't mind that at all.
The people of Derry probably wouldn't mind that at all.
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Pennywise FRA
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It: 6 votes
Monika: 0
Monika: 0
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Pennyboi for reason above
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shouldent be added?
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Penny FRA
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.Ricsi-viragosi said:
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Gonna have to request it. Pennywise's profile's been locked for an age now.
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Oh. Nevermind then.
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Why is this on Pennywise's AND Monika's losses?
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That ain't right...Paulo.junior.969 said:
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It's fine, Rep. No one is holding it against you.
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Just curious, how is this not a blitz for pennywise? Omnipresence vs infinite speed.
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Something something "I mentioned this was a blitz already".
For whatever reason though, I thought the OP equalized speed after I mentioned that. Guess they didn't.
For whatever reason though, I thought the OP equalized speed after I mentioned that. Guess they didn't.
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Man I hate finding very obviously wrong btlles after they concluded...
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Wrong in what way though, even with equalized speed, IT would still beat Monica
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IMPORTANT NOTE: I CANT SPELL. Aright, my thought on this are as follows . All the threads where monika wins, her powers are completley explored, namely her ablity to delete computer things and stuff. This thread, no one even mentions it. So unless pennywise has some sorta resstince to being deleted, than I dont understand why he wins. I'm going to admit it now, I know next to nothing about his ablites and power set. (I just wanted to post this, i'll look at his profile and make corrections as nessicary) My knowledge, and you can correct if I'm wrong, about pennywise is as follows. IT is the embosiment of some sorft of extra dimensional evil. He feeds off the fear of children and as such can present them with there greatest fear. (Quick side note, I have a huge shpeel on what I think is the dr.strange thread, you can look at that for more of my opinion) this also leads in to IT's greatest weakness, he loses power when his oponent is not afraid. Also gathered from reading this thread there is an are of space somewhere where IT is ethier omnipresent or has infinite speed, I couldn't really find which. Now comes why I belive Monika wins. First, it is completely conviveble that monika could alter her own code to make her self not afraid, but as she has hown fear before and is obvioulsy capable of it im discounting that now.so, monika could a. Delete IT. Or b. Make IT forget why they were fighting, or c. Change his mind. And you know what? If im wrong, I'd love to hear why, pennywise is a very interesting combatant that Id enjoy learning more about.
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9: Transcendental Immortality: Characters whose true selves exist independently from the plane where they can be killed. For example, a conceptual being doesn't die even if its body, soul, etc will be erased from existence
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MrKingOfNegativity said:
it works via plot manipulation, so id say it is effective
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Okay, so immortality feels a little like cheating. Thats why in most like screw attaxk death battle about deadpool, they discount the fact that deadpool was ever immortal. But yeah that kind of immortality isn't something monika's ablites have the ablity to mess with, because she may be the only reality warper in all of ever only confined to one reality. Oh wait, I forgot about ben 10 and alien x nevermind
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plot manipulation dhould still work, and she does use it to bfr others into submission. and mind manipulation as wellTreasureOfWisdom said:
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YAY I'M NOT STUPID!!!!!! Kinda...
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I've said this already in multiple threads prior to this, but I suppose I'll say it again.
Pennywise in the original novel is not reliant on the fear of others. It's not Freddy Krueger. It doesn't weaken when solitary opponents aren't afraid of it, and only bothers with attempting to make people feel fear because it enjoys how they taste when they're scared. (Hence the bit in the novel where it compares the act of inducing fear to "salting the meat".)
As for what would happen in the fight, merely looking at Its true form (which is what we're using here) kills the victim. There's a moment in-universe where two people see its true form and quite literally die from the act of looking at it. If Monika can survive that, she still has to deal with its mindhax and illusions. Even the far weaker avatar in Derry was capable of causing everyone in the town to completely forget events that had happened, and its true form is naturally much more powerful in every conceivable way. And even if she starts off so far away from the Deadlights (the location of Pennywise's true form) that she can't even see it, the thing can pull her mind out of her and drag it into the Deadlights by force, the way it almost succeeded in doing with Bill Denbough.
Pennywise in the original novel is not reliant on the fear of others. It's not Freddy Krueger. It doesn't weaken when solitary opponents aren't afraid of it, and only bothers with attempting to make people feel fear because it enjoys how they taste when they're scared. (Hence the bit in the novel where it compares the act of inducing fear to "salting the meat".)
As for what would happen in the fight, merely looking at Its true form (which is what we're using here) kills the victim. There's a moment in-universe where two people see its true form and quite literally die from the act of looking at it. If Monika can survive that, she still has to deal with its mindhax and illusions. Even the far weaker avatar in Derry was capable of causing everyone in the town to completely forget events that had happened, and its true form is naturally much more powerful in every conceivable way. And even if she starts off so far away from the Deadlights (the location of Pennywise's true form) that she can't even see it, the thing can pull her mind out of her and drag it into the Deadlights by force, the way it almost succeeded in doing with Bill Denbough.
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she survived her mind getting destroyed already, and she has resictence (the player has to data manipulate to affect her file)
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The match has been added already.
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