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Unrestricted Shinnok vs Kaguya Otsutsuki

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Kaguya has better hax but shinnok has better DC so inconclusive to me
 
Another necro? My posts are literally built to be revived lol.

(does Undertaker sit up)
 
Kaguya takes this fairly easily she blitzes him and outhaxxes him . TSB reduces him to nothing.Even if he somehow killed her she'd reform another physical form.
 
Skodwarde The Almighty said:
Another necro?
My posts are literally built to be revived lol.

(does Undertaker sit up)
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Lol happen to pass by and decided to give some imput (even if they are like months old)
 
Shinnok has planetary reality warping and his inmortality is very good, Kaguya has no counter against that.
 
Kaguya is Massively Hypersonic+, mach 5000+. Kaguya blitz's Shinnok, and kill him with an All-Killing Ashbone, reduces anything it touches to ash. Kaguya could also use a Truthseeker Orb, which reduces whatever it touches to naught.
 
Mmm interesting. So Kaguya could died after all. Since your saying she can kill an "inmortal" being. She can also die to similar abilities to her own. Shinnok has been kill before and comeback too.
 
Kaguya's ETSB is rated at planet. Shinnok has large planet durability. I'm not saying it won't mess him up, but i doubt it would insta kill him.
 
As was stated in Crono vs Kaguya, even though Kaguya would come back after Crono killed her, it would still count as a win for Crono. The same should be said for Kaguya, even though Shinnok will come back after Kaguya blitz's and kills him with an All-Killing Ashbone, it's still a win for Kaguya.
 
I actually don't see Kaguya winning this. Shinnok can simply create a shield around him, and create the portal behind and mimic Kaguya using her own techniques againts her exactly like Shang tsung does. Kaguya won't be able to Blitz him with him using Mimicry, she dies by her own abilities.

With his transformation: He has control over all the realms and his powers are not limited to what was listed above

'Durability:' (immortality and regen makes him very difficult to kill)
 
The problem is that Shinnok has no way of keeping up with or reacting to Kaguya, hence, he cannot do anything you said. If Shinnok can't react to Kaguya, he can't use a shield or mimicry.

Kaguya has instant teleportation, she could easily teleport to the other side of Shinnok's shield

Shinnok's immortality comes from Low-Godly Regenerationn "Able to regenerate as long as your disembodied consciousness exists/regenerate from other realms". So if Kaguya reduced Shinnok to naught with a Truthseeker Orb, Shinnok would come back. But regardless, it would still count as a wi for Kaguya, because she killed Shinnok.

Kaguya also has planetary reality warping
 
UncleSpaceman said:
The problem is that Shinnok has no way of keeping up with or reacting to Kaguya, hence, he cannot do anything you said. If Shinnok can't react to Kaguya, he can't use a shield or mimicry.
Kaguya has instant teleportation, she could easily teleport to the other side of Shinnok's shield

Shinnok's immortality comes from Low-Godly Regenerationn "Able to regenerate as long as your disembodied consciousness exists/regenerate from other realms". So if Kaguya reduced Shinnok to naught with a Truthseeker Orb, Shinnok would come back. But regardless, it would still count as a wi for Kaguya, because she killed Shinnok.

Kaguya also has planetary reality warping
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In the Mortal Kombat Universe Mimicry, copies all including techniques, speed, powers, energy, everything. Shinnok will just transform into Kaguya. "The whole he can't because he doesn't have chakra thing is a NLF" You can't expect Kaguya's powers to work like that and not have Shinnok's power to work the way there suppose to work. They copy everything from the "victim". Kaguya dies with her own ETSB and Ashes-bones because Shinnok has his own abilities a part from hers.
 
@HokageMangaVox

I have no overall opinion on this match, but Kaguya wouldn't die to her own attacks. In fact, given the way she becomes more powerful by absorbing more chakra, this could be a very dangerous problem for Shinnok.
 
Non-Bias said:
@HokageMangaVoxI have no overall opinion on this match, but Kaguya wouldn't die to her own attacks. In fact, given the way she becomes more powerful by absorbing more chakra, this could be a very dangerous problem for Shinnok.
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She can't absorb her ETSB none one has in Naruto and they are shown to harm their own owner neither will she absorb the Ash-Bones. Obito as an example.
 
She blitzes him he's several times slower than her one TSB and he's done for or ash killing bone GG
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
She blitzes him he's several times slower than her one TSB and he's done for or ash killing bone GG
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Nop. She can't blitze her own speed, she also never show to have speed. She only use portals during the whole fight and teleport people out to another dimension. The only thing she move, she tried to escape and was one punched by Sakura. I think she's not even that fast. I'll give her the speed in reaction but not in speed.

She won't be able to absorb her own TSB none one has in Naruto, and they can be hurt by them, example Obito got harm with his own TSB. Was stoping Shinnok from using ash killing bone againts Kaguya herself? She is not winning this, no matter how you put this.
 
1.She has shown to have speed she easily kept up with naruto in close range combat .She does utilize teleportation but that doesn't change the fact that she has shown MHS+ speeds regularly.Sakura caught her off guard and came from the byakugans blind spot.Good try at downplaying.

Furthermore he can't copy her speed but her abilities.

2.TSB is too slow for her even if you assume he copied it base Naruto can easily react to it and FP Naruto gets easily blitzed or at the very least kept up with.

Ash killing bones + far Greater speed = Over
 
Now wait a minute here, how would All-Killing Ash Bones stop his Low-Godly Regenerationn?
 
I don't have the actual scan, but this is from the Naruto Viz clear up thread :


Black Zetsu: "I don't know what you're scheming...

...But mother can absorb any and all jutsu. Your actions are meaningless."


It's part of the reason why Naruto and Sasuke had such a difficult time fighting against her. Shinnok isn't killing her with her own power. He'd only make her more powerful if anything.
 
The Everlasting said:
Now wait a minute here, how would All-Killing Ash Bones stop his Low-Godly Regenerationn?
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He'd literally be disintegrated if it hits him. Unless there's something I'm missing and not accounting for, he should die.
 
Do you even know what Low-Godly Regenerationn is? It means that the person can regenerate from their disembodied consciousness, they don't need their body.

Not saying it makes Shinnok win, he'd most likely just get hit by TSB/AKAB over and over again as he constantly revives.
 
(1.She has shown to have speed she easily kept up with naruto in close range combat .) What feats? Close Range combat is Reaction Speed. Is not the same as moving speed.

(She does utilize teleportation but that doesn't change the fact that she has shown MHS+ speeds regularly.Sakura caught her off guard and came from the byakugans blind spot.Good try at downplaying.) Teleportation is not MHS+

(2.TSB is too slow for her even if you assume he copied it base Naruto can easily react to it and FP Naruto gets easily blitzed or at the very least kept up with.) It doesn't make sense first you said she can keep up with Naruto and now Naruto can't keep up with her? Make out yout mind stop making things up.

(Furthermore he can't copy her speed but her abilities.) Mimicry: Shinnok has the ability to replicate any character's moves, much like Shang Tsung. Mimicry abilities allow you to turn your whole entire physical body into something else.

Yeah, he can copy her speed. It doens't restrain him to just "abilities" where is this word in that?

(Ash killing bones + far Greater speed = Over) Nop. Kaguya has no chance of Winning.
 
TSB is null energy that has been shown to exist outside reality as such it transcends concepts and is comprised of Ying yang both physical and spritual energy deletes everything probably his spirit given chakra transcends casualty itself.
 
The Everlasting said:
Do you even know what Low-Godly Regenerationn is? It means that the person can regenerate from their disembodied consciousness, they don't need their body.
Not saying it makes Shinnok win, he'd most likely just get hit by TSB/AKAB over and over again as he constantly revives.
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I knew that there was something I wasn't taking into account.
 
TSB turn anything to "Dust", it does not erase anything from existence. Shinnok won't die with his Regenerationn.
 
HokageMangaVox said:
(1.She has shown to have speed she easily kept up with naruto in close range combat .) What feats? Close Range combat is Reaction Speed. Is not the same as moving speed.

(She does utilize teleportation but that doesn't change the fact that she has shown MHS+ speeds regularly.Sakura caught her off guard and came from the byakugans blind spot.Good try at downplaying.) Teleportation is not MHS+

(2.TSB is too slow for her even if you assume he copied it base Naruto can easily react to it and FP Naruto gets easily blitzed or at the very least kept up with.) It doesn't make sense first you said she can keep up with Naruto and now Naruto can't keep up with her? Make out yout mind stop making things up.

(Furthermore he can't copy her speed but her abilities.) Mimicry: Shinnok has the ability to replicate any character's moves, much like Shang Tsung. Mimicry abilities allow you to turn your whole entire physical body into something else.

Yeah, he can copy her speed. It doens't restrain him to just "abilities" where is this word in that?

(Ash killing bones + far Greater speed = Over) Nop. Kaguya has no chance of Winning.
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1.You do realize that in a vs match kaguya has all her chakra right?

Meaning everyones power within the verse and she is MHS+ in both as such

2.I was reffering to naruto kicking madaras TSB in base form........

And youre literally the one making things up but ok 3.As i said abilities not stats her speed isnt an ability.....

And furthermore he has to replicate it by seeing it he cant replicate movements he cant even perceive.

Good try though

Kaguya wins
 
(1.You do realize that in a vs match kaguya has all her chakra right? Meaning everyones power within the verse and she is MHS+ in both as such)

False. She has the chakra produced by the fruit, she does not have the chakra from all the verse. Villians confused them self with gods and make things up. She just take all the chakra from the planet which she once had. Consumption of the Shinju's fruit bestows an ability upon its consumer's body to produce powerful chakra.[1][2] In Boruto: Naruto the Movie, it is revealed that many trees have existed throughout various realms and ages, the Earth's Shinju being only one of them. Another such tree also existed where Momoshiki and Kinshiki hail from.[3]

(2.I was reffering to naruto kicking madaras TSB in base form........
And youre literally the one making things up but ok) Ok you explain this more clearly, still Kaguya has not shown to move at that speed and she has not kicked a TSB either. So, is worthless comparison.

(3.As i said abilities not stats her speed isnt an ability.....) There's nowhere that says that he can "only" copy abilities. He can copy all their moves with Mimicry which includes body reactions. Everyone he has mimic until now have the same speed as the real one.

(And he has to replicate it by seeing it he cant replicate movements he cant even perceive.) Again there's nowhere stated that he need to see it to mimic, he has mimic people before with them been around him.

If you all wonder about this: "TSB can erase matter from existence! It destroys the soul!"

False again, it turn their target to dust, that's why it was compared to dust release. In his latest chapter, FTDS claimed that it turned things into nothing, but when I checked it clearly turns their victims to dust. Meaning at best, the attack is molecular.

Also it does not destroy the soul. Minato's "soul" is exactly like the portion of chakra that was placed in Naruto's seal, it doesn't destroy the soul, but destroys the persons chakra that is bonded to the jutsu. Just imagine if the soul and the jutsu was integrated together, permanent damage to one does permanent damage to the other.

Another thing to debunk, because i feel like it: "Genjutsu can work on non chakra people"

False again, the victim requires chakra to be able to cast a genjutsu on. It was stated in the databook. The "kaguya casts the infinite tsukuyomi on the world of people without chakra " won't work either. It was a clear plot hole. Don't believe me? Explain how Kaguya casts the genjutsu if there was no moon at the time. The moon was created after Kaguya was defeated by the sage of six paths. So this is before the moon was created….and the genjutsu requires a moon…explain.

Kaguya is not winning this, i can be here all night.






 
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