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Can you use speed and kinetic energy formula to get AP/Striking Strength for a real life human

GenesisHero12

GenesisHero12

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I see that composite human has street level Ap but, subsonic attack/combat speed. Should composite human be wall level by 12kg leg*60.8m/s^2 attack speed/2=22.2KJ from kicking and 71.95kg body weight*12.5m/s^2running speed/2= 5.6KJ from running by the kinetic energy formula or do speed and kinetic energy don't apply to AP for real-life humans just by feats and techniques/martial arts?

Or would it be both?
 
I'm just wondering if you can use the kinetic energy formula to Ap/Striking Strength for a real life human because if we could then we could upgrade composite human to wall level since composite human is the combination of all the most skilled humans.
 
GenesisHero12 said:
I'm just wondering if you can use the kinetic energy formula to Ap/Striking Strength for a real life human because if we could then we could upgrade composite human to wall level since composite human is the combination of all the most skilled humans.
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That should actually upgrade Peak Human from Street Level to Wall Level too?

But, yeah, i think it's perfectly acceptable using the kinetic energy formula to real life humans. It may do even more sense than using it to fictional characters (Some verses or characters have different physics and stuff).
 
Assuming the requirements to achieve such kinetic energy is constant, I don't see why not. But for terms of composite human I'm not sure, because that would defeat the purpose of composite stats, and we'd just be formulating our own stats from those results.

For example, lets say Mike Tyson is who we use for AP, but we use Usain Bolt for speed. We wouldn't be holding true to the composite profile by saying Composite Human using Mike Tyson's AP punches as fast as Bolt can run and generating KE from that (inaccurate anyway).

At least that's my view, technically you can though.
 
Unite My Rice said:
Assuming the requirements to achieve such kinetic energy is constant, I don't see why not. But for terms of composite human I'm not sure, because that would defeat the purpose of composite stats, and we'd just be formulating our own stats from those results.
For example, lets say Mike Tyson is who we use for AP, but we use Usain Bolt for speed. We wouldn't be holding true to the composite profile by saying Composite Human using Mike Tyson's AP punches as fast as Bolt can run and generating KE from that (inaccurate anyway).

At least that's my view, technically you can though.
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Would that apply to peak human too?
 
I stated it as if a human kinetic energy by kicking was at the required energy to be wall level then they would be wall level. So since Bren Foster kicks at speed to be wall level by kinetic energy that we should have 9C to likely 9B for composite human do to kicking or punch with this amount of energy.
 
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/4/...s-st-pierres-punching-power-2859-lbs-of-force

I don't know why we didn't use George St. Pierre punching/kicking power for ss/ap for composite human since he is the only one close to being a wall level human. Base on the link he punches 2859 lbs of force which is 3877joules and 3477 lbs of force or 4714 joules.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/...e-shogun-ruas-kicking-power-2749-lbs-of-force

based on this link, I found out that you can't use the kinetic energy formula for a real life human to find their ap/ss because Shogun Rua punches at 11.1m/s with 1585 joules and kicks at 17.43m/s with 3727 joules. This disapproves your statement of using Mike Tyson's punching ap with Usain bolt's running speed for attack speed because Shogun Rua punches around Bolt's running speed and does around the same ap as Tyson's punch and you only using the best stats that each skilled human's show for composite human. If we can't scale with kinetic energy, no matter how fast you punch or kick, you wouldn't be wall level if you speed can't get you to break a wall down, so it might be possible to wall level because George St. Pierre is the closest human to being wall level.
 
Based on what I posted above, its possible for a human to be wall level. The downside is you can't use the kinetic energy formula because Rua's punch and kick speed are not at the necessary speed by the kinetic energy formula to be at the levels of energy he is outputting. We should change the description for composite since Pierre outputs more force than anyone we have used for composite human.
 
we possibly could make composite human wall level by tackling but, not be punching or kicking since some MMA fighters showed to output street level+ ap/ss and have speeds slower then what is need by kinetic energy formula to be at that level. I think the kinetic energy formula can only work on things like tackling.
 
How would we be able to calculate the KE of a human then? Would it be like 12kg*60.8m/s^2/2=22.2KJ or 71.95kg*12.5m/s^2/2= 5.6KJ and is it possible for a human be wall level without showing any wall level feats?
 
Based on composite humans stats I get 163kg from Paul Anderson, superhuman punching speed around 19.25m/s/ subsonic kicking speed at 60.8m/s from the guy in the video and Bren Foster.

This gives me 9kg*19.25m/s^2/2=1667.5 joules by punching and 27.2kg*60.8m/s^2/2=49,287 joules by kicking.

Composite human would be Street level by going with the lowest amount of energy that was produced by punching.

So there is no need to upgrade but, downgrade Ap/Dc for composite human because none of the people we used to scale composite human has ever done a street level+ feat, like severely dent the metal body on a car/truck, only knocking people out which is an athlete to low-end street level Ap feat.
 
Based on what I put above Composite human would be street level by punching and wall level by kicking but, Ap would be street level, not street level+. I say this because none of the people we use to scale composite human we haven't seen them or been stated that they can do a street level+ AP feat. However, it is stated they do output street level+ by force which is striking strength, so a real-life human might be wall level by striking strength, not AP.

The composite human would be a 9-C with a high 9-C to low 9-B striking Strength since no one has ever shown a street level+ to wall level destruction feat. It would be ridiculous to consider composite human do a street level+ to low-end wall level AP feat just because a real-life fighter can output this amount of energy and possibly not be able to cause said destruction on that level.
 
Since we use kinetic energy with composite fish, I don't know why we don't use with the composite human.
 
I did use the kinetic energy for the composite human and I got street level by punching and wall level by kicking/ tackling.All the best humans ever put together doesn't show a big difference whereas all the fish greatest abilities put into one like the fastest fish with the heaviest fish easily gets wall level kinetic energy results. We mostly fight with our arms and legs which hinders composite human's kinetic energy scaling compared to composite fish's which rams things with it whole body weight at full speed.
 
Sorry, Composite Human could be wall level by using the highest numbers for the kinetic energy formula so, you can use it but, we wouldn't be scaling Composite human's stats by using each highest skilled feat of the best humans as Composite humans best feats.

This gives me 9kg*60.8m/s/2= 16,634 joules by punching and 27.2kg*60.8m/s^2/2=49,287 joules by kicking.

Peak Human should be only street level since no human is the perfect being who could run 12.38m/s and weigh around 300 pounds and be able to kick and punch at subsonic speeds and lift 3000 pounds from the ground up over their head. Peak Human's lifting strength would be less than class 1 or even peak human+ because people are either born with great lifting strength or people have to use steroids to achieve this level lifting strength. While others would peak out below peak human lifting strength.

Peak Human should be a scale base on the basic peak level any human could reach, not what the special gifted or crazily skilled people can do, just the best of the normal average human can reach with no enhancements at their peak. So this means no real-life human would be stronger than composite human. What I said earlier was scaling composite human by the strongest real-life fighters and weightlifters which would make composite human only a mid 9-C.
 
Are there any additional Sources for the Bren Foster Kick speed? Because that speed is faster than world class boxers can punch, faster than professional Athlete's kick, Faster than Footballer's kick the ball and faster than Pitchers can even throw a baseball. It doesn't seem like a very credible speed since it yields energies more than 5x what other athletes produce at their peak.
 
I found some sources by look up his name and here is one of them.

http://moosin.co.kr/fight-science/

It says that he kicks 1043kg or 2295ibs of force and at a speed of 219kmh or 60.83m/s for a TaeKwonDo fighter. His kick was faster than the other three fighters but, I could understand why you think its too fast for a human to kick that fast. If you measure the length of your leg and the distance your leg and foot go by time how long you take to kick it wouldn't seem too ridiculous but, the force you output wouldn't be as good as these fighters unless you trained in the martial art for some time to master your kicks.
 
I more meant a source for subsonic humans that wasn't the same Fight Science testing. Something to cross reference them. My googlefu is failing me in fighting any other examples of humans being able to move their legs at 60 m/s. I keep finding things 1/3 to 1/2 that.
 
Based on what Antvasima said on the Bren Foster subsonic page is that Lina and Gwynbleiddd disprove that Bren Foster is subsonic so, that means composite human would have superhuman combat/attack speed at 18m/s. That would be 9kg*18^2m/s/2=1458 joules and 27.2kg*18^2m/s/2=4406 joules.
 
That sounds more reasonable. Though to be honest superhuman in this sense is a bit of a misnomer since the feat is not actually superhuman it is just classified as such with regards to run speed.

Peak human travel speed is 12.50 m/s

Peak human combat speed is ~20-25 m/s or something
 
We are going to need someone to give us permission to change composite human's combat speed to superhuman since Bren Foster's kick speed was disproved.

Also, would 10-20m/s be athlete human combat speed then?
 
It wasn't disproved... just not accepted. Different connotations.

As for that I dunno how this wiki wants to treat that.
 
Composite human's page says subsonic combat speed with Bren Foster kicking at 60.8m/s that means someone changed it or accepted it which is now not accepted so, it needs to be changed back or accept at a slower kicking speed from one of the MMA fighters like Shogun Roa's kick speed.
 
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