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Zuko hires a fixer to hunt down the Avatar(Aang(Avatar the Last Airbender vs Mirinae{Project Moon})0-1-0

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Mirinae(Project Moon)-1

Distance: 5 meters
Speed Equal
Anything above Low 7-C is restricted
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Can't Aang just remove the air from her, killing her instantly? Otherwise Aang takes it due to versatility in movesets
 
Steve1775 said:
Can't Aang just remove the air from her, killing her instantly? Otherwise Aang takes it due to versatility in movesets
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Aang has never done that even once throughout the show's run, so I think it's safe to say that doing something like that would be extremely out of character for him.
Half of Aang's movesets won't really be useful in this match, since Mirinae has Resistance to Heat Manipulation(So Aang's Firebending won't work), Ice Manipulation and Slashing/Piercing damage(so Waterbending won't work), thus leaving him with Air and Earth Manipulation.
 
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Mirinae has free shapeshifting of her weapon and is likely waaaay more skilled and experienced than Aang. Granted, Aang's versatility is still higher, but she's not losing by a lot and has what it takes to outsmart and outskill him. Unless Aang is holding Avatar mode active for this entire fight and willing to fight to kill, I don't see how he takes this. Not a stomp, but she mid-diffs.
 
Mand21 said:
Mirinae has free shapeshifting of her weapon and is likely waaaay more skilled and experienced than Aang. Granted, Aang's versatility is still higher, but she's not losing by a lot and has what it takes to outsmart and outskill him. Unless Aang is holding Avatar mode active for this entire fight and willing to fight to kill, I don't see how he takes this. Not a stomp, but she mid-diffs.
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The Avatar State is restricted here.
 
Can't Aang simply trap her feet in the earth and her hands, if she happens to fall over? It wouldn't be ooc for him cause he trapped Ozai's limbs in the earth right before energybending him.
 
BrackishBrineBroth said:
Can't Aang simply trap her feet in the earth and her hands, if she happens to fall over? It wouldn't be ooc for him cause he trapped Ozai's limbs in the earth right before energybending him.
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Wouldn't that be:

  1. Incredibly difficult to do while she's moving around a lot to fight him?
  2. Incredibly easy to escape from if done hurriedly on an opponent who's still trying to move around?
Furthermore, she can break rock with a twist of her legs pretty darn easily. Either Aang does something more serious than a generic rock covering her legs, or it won't do anything
 
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MysticBrawler said:
Aang has never done that even once throughout the show's run, so I think it's safe to say that doing something like that would be extremely out of character for him.
Half of Aang's movesets won't really be useful in this match, since Mirinae has Resistance to Heat Manipulation(So Aang's Firebending won't work), Ice Manipulation and Slashing/Piercing damage(so Waterbending won't work), thus leaving him with Air and Earth Manipulation.
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While he isn't likely at all to kill her, he has gotten upset enough to go for blows that knock his opponent unconscious (such as when he and his friends stormed the Earth King's palace). According to the avatar ttrpg, one of the airbending moves available is a strong force of wind that makes it impossible to breathe for the opponent, ultimately knocking them out. Non-lethal asphyxiation has already been done in the franchise before, namely with Avatar Yangchen in her novels.
 
BrackishBrineBroth said:
While he isn't likely at all to kill her, he has gotten upset enough to go for blows that knock his opponent unconscious (such as when he and his friends stormed the Earth King's palace). According to the avatar ttrpg, one of the airbending moves available is a strong force of wind that makes it impossible to breathe for the opponent, ultimately knocking them out. Non-lethal asphyxiation has already been done in the franchise before, namely with Avatar Yangchen in her novels.
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Mirinae is a Grade 1 Fixer from the Hana Association. Means that not only is she an absurdly competent and seasoned combatant who, through the way the setting works, has taken well over a decade to reach this level (there are no Gojou Satorus with instantly top tier innate talent in this verse: absolutely nobody becomes a Grade 1 Fixer as a young adult. Ever.) and is among one of the absolute most talented Fixers in a "City" that has population over six billion people and just so happens to be a pressure cooker of people who've learned through thick and thin to deal with an incredibly dangerous world where no one can be trusted.

Not only that, but the Hana Association interfaces directly with the Head (the mastermind government-like set of corporations of this world) and manages all other Fixer associations, even being the one to assign Fixer ranks and the respective titles of Color Fixers (legendary Grade 1 Fixers who are always larger-than-life characters and combat geniuses). Meaning Mirinae isn't just a braindead fighter, not even just a fighter with extreme combat intelligence: she has a profound understanding of large-scale strategy on an institutional, sociopolitical level, and is a bureaucrat who manages many others like her like pawns.

Furthermore, pressure points are not entirely guaranteed to work on her, and she has absurdly superhuman physical endurance: it is incredibly common in this setting for even far inferior combatants to have their innards melted by soul damage (think as if Mahito from JJK had touched them and blown off organs with his CT), having part of the head blown off or outright being decapitated, yet still survive for a decent amount of time and remain conscious. Mirinae, like everyone at a decent or higher level in this setting, has her abilities not through some superhuman constitution, but because her body was augmented through technology so advanced it's basically magic to us: nanites, organ prosthetics, bone replacements, you name it.

Meaning that even after Aang is starting to pummel her with superior strength and comparable speed, she'll still outlast him. Even as they trade blows for hours until his very well trained but ultimately "human" body is beginning to crumble and so is hers, she'll be standing when he quite literally cannot breath due to excessive lung damage. Even after all air is removed, she will continue to move. She is quite literally built different.

Oh, and her weapon shapeshifts, meaning she can simulates any melee trick Aang is capable of doing, and better.

And let's not forget the trigrams.

Gon reduces damage by 30% on top of giving her 1 Endurance (+1 boost to defensive dice). If you divide 1 by 0.7, you get that she's effectively increasing her durability by at least 42.85%.

We can't necessarily scale all her trigrams to this, but we can AT LEAST scale her durability. Mirinae has durability of at the very least 32 tons of TNT in short bursts when using Gon! That, on top of having vastly superior endurance on top of multiple layers of stamina recovery. She's 100% capable of outlasting Aang.

Furthermore, the shapeshifting crystal her weapon is made of also coats her whole body whenever she gets hit (it's literally her "taking damage" sprite) and, as such, pressure point strikes are exceedingly unlikely to get through that, just as grappling techniques will have reduced effectiveness on a body coated on something hard and inflexible, yet which changes its shape to allow her to move inside it.
 
BrackishBrineBroth said:
While he isn't likely at all to kill her, he has gotten upset enough to go for blows that knock his opponent unconscious (such as when he and his friends stormed the Earth King's palace). According to the avatar ttrpg, one of the airbending moves available is a strong force of wind that makes it impossible to breathe for the opponent, ultimately knocking them out. Non-lethal asphyxiation has already been done in the franchise before, namely with Avatar Yangchen in her novels.
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Yeah, knocking out or restraining Mirinae would probaby be what Aang will go for.
Nothing in the show implies that Aang would know how to do this though, so in order for him to think of trying this he would probably need to first have access to Avatar Yangchen's memories, which require that he either go to the Avatar State(which is restricted in this matchup) or meditate for a few seconds to talk to her(which probably isn't doable while he's in the middle of a fight).
 
Mand21 said:
Mirinae is a Grade 1 Fixer from the Hana Association. Means that not only is she an absurdly competent and seasoned combatant who, through the way the setting works, has taken well over a decade to reach this level (there are no Gojou Satorus with instantly top tier innate talent in this verse: absolutely nobody becomes a Grade 1 Fixer as a young adult. Ever.) and is among one of the absolute most talented Fixers in a "City" that has population over six billion people and just so happens to be a pressure cooker of people who've learned through thick and thin to deal with an incredibly dangerous world where no one can be trusted.

Not only that, but the Hana Association interfaces directly with the Head (the mastermind government-like set of corporations of this world) and manages all other Fixer associations, even being the one to assign Fixer ranks and the respective titles of Color Fixers (legendary Grade 1 Fixers who are always larger-than-life characters and combat geniuses). Meaning Mirinae isn't just a braindead fighter, not even just a fighter with extreme combat intelligence: she has a profound understanding of large-scale strategy on an institutional, sociopolitical level, and is a bureaucrat who manages many others like her like pawns.

Furthermore, pressure points are not entirely guaranteed to work on her, and she has absurdly superhuman physical endurance: it is incredibly common in this setting for even far inferior combatants to have their innards melted by soul damage (think as if Mahito from JJK had touched them and blown off organs with his CT), having part of the head blown off or outright being decapitated, yet still survive for a decent amount of time and remain conscious. Mirinae, like everyone at a decent or higher level in this setting, has her abilities not through some superhuman constitution, but because her body was augmented through technology so advanced it's basically magic to us: nanites, organ prosthetics, bone replacements, you name it.

Meaning that even after Aang is starting to pummel her with superior strength and comparable speed, she'll still outlast him. Even as they trade blows for hours until his very well trained but ultimately "human" body is beginning to crumble and so is hers, she'll be standing when he quite literally cannot breath due to excessive lung damage. Even after all air is removed, she will continue to move. She is quite literally built different.

Oh, and her weapon shapeshifts, meaning she can simulates any melee trick Aang is capable of doing, and better.

And let's not forget the trigrams.

Gon reduces damage by 30% on top of giving her 1 Endurance (+1 boost to defensive dice). If you divide 1 by 0.7, you get that she's effectively increasing her durability by at least 42.85%.

We can't necessarily scale all her trigrams to this, but we can AT LEAST scale her durability. Mirinae has durability of at the very least 32 tons of TNT in short bursts when using Gon! That, on top of having vastly superior endurance on top of multiple layers of stamina recovery. She's 100% capable of outlasting Aang.

Furthermore, the shapeshifting crystal her weapon is made of also coats her whole body whenever she gets hit (it's literally her "taking damage" sprite) and, as such, pressure point strikes are exceedingly unlikely to get through that, just as grappling techniques will have reduced effectiveness on a body coated on something hard and inflexible, yet which changes its shape to allow her to move inside it.
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While I do think Mirinae would most likely have the skill advantage here it probably won't be to the point of stomping, since Aang himself is fairly skilled and has greater range and versatility with his Air and Earth bending.

As I said above Aang using the Air Asphyxiation move requires a few steps to achieve, so it's unikely that Aang would be able to pull it off when Mirinae wouldn't give him the time to do so.

Mirinae also has her own speed boost so she can outspeed Aang as well.

Mirinae's (Gon) boost was actually the reason why I thought this match was doable.

Aang doesn't have any pressure point attacks so Mirinae probably doesn't have to worry nout that.
 
MysticBrawler said:
While I do think Mirinae would most likely have the skill advantage here it probably won't be to the point of stomping, since Aang himself is fairly skilled and has greater range and versatility with his Air and Earth bending.

As I said above Aang using the Air Asphyxiation move requires a few steps to achieve, so it's unikely that Aang would be able to pull it off when Mirinae wouldn't give him the time to do so.

Mirinae also has her own speed boost so she can outspeed Aang as well.

Mirinae's (Gon) boost was actually the reason why I thought this match was doable.

Aang doesn't have any pressure point attacks so Mirinae probably doesn't have to worry nout that.
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Aang is "fairly skilled in his own right", but not nearly as skilled as a futuristic society with a far more advanced martial arts meta, wherein Mirinae is someone who vastly surpasses IRL's combat geniuses.

It's important to note that absolutely nobody in the PMverse reaches a remotely decent tier without skill. It is directly stated in Limbus Company — whose main cast are around Grade 5 Fixer tier by that point — that anyone with insane body augmentations but without the skill to back them up is "just a sturdier punching bag". This is a direct statement present in Dante's notes. Not only that, but when a Color ends up in one of the WARP trains and spends the two thousand years of distorted time (in a dimension where time flows differently from ours and 2k years there are <10 seconds here) training everyone who got stuck there with him, they all come back "on the level of Grade 1 Fixers". There wasn't much room to give them surgeries to augment their bodies, so even if they did get some level of upgrade, that means that skill is still a massive factor capable of bringing someone to a Grade 1 Fixer's level. And lo and behold: Mirinae is such a Grade 1 Fixer, comparable to people who were training for 2000 years in combat skills.

Don't get me wrong, they do say "if we want to physically get stronger, we need to be willing to shell out some cash". However, combat skills are front and center when it comes to telling how much of a GOAT someone is in this verse. Grade 1s should very trivially surpass in sheer skill every single one of the geniuses from real life's history put together.

Oh, and by the way, as for how intelligent and skilled are the people who Mirinae managed to put up a fight against... Roland and Gebura are Color Fixers, Binah was once an Arbiter (so above that, though currently nerfed to "merely" Color level) and the Purple Tear could see through dimensions and know scan through future outcomes across different timelines, making her a mastermind who — similar to what is shown is Leviathan when a Distortion gains a lesser version of Purple Tear's ability to scan (and in her case travel through) different dimensions — also fights like they already know what's going to happen and what to do next.

You are expected to fight the Hana Association's Reception with your best Star of the City deck, so having a bunch of Grade 1/Color level characters as your Librarians is simply expected. This is also canon, as the Librarians are directly stated to be getting stronger with each Reception, and a far greater number of Receptions occur in canon than do in-game (remember, the pictures of the Library show an absolute fuckton of books, and one person does not become more than a few: the Library has killed way more people than we as players get to). Meaning by this point it's no stretch whatsoever to say that each and every Librarian is at least on par with a Grade 1 Fixer, given how easy it is to equip a floor with only Key Pages and Combat Pages on that level (not to mention Attributions, Abnormality pages and E.G.O pages, which... honestly make us peak Color level by the end, not to mention the pages themselves may not be canon but the obtaining of the abilities from books, abnormalities and E.G.O most definitely are).

I'm not arguing this is a stomp, BTW. I'm just arguing Mirinae mid diffs or even low diffs.
 
MysticBrawler said:
Nothing in the show implies that Aang would know how to do this though, so in order for him to think of trying this he would probably need to first have access to Avatar Yangchen's memories
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Well, the method which Yangchen used was dispersing the air around her opponents so that there was nothing to breathe. I just used her as an example of an airbender nonlethally knocking out their opponent. For the move I brought up, Aang would just have to use a consistent strong blast of air against Mirinae, which he would likely resort to if the fight dragged on.
 
BrackishBrineBroth said:
Well, the method which Yangchen used was dispersing the air around her opponents so that there was nothing to breathe. I just used her as an example of an airbender nonlethally knocking out their opponent. For the move I brought up, Aang would just have to use a consistent strong blast of air against Mirinae, which he would likely resort to if the fight dragged on.
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And even then Mirinae would be able to tank it longer than anybody, all the while being capable of harming him and far more willing to do so. She's also far more experienced than he is and probably also more intelligent.

Also, which feats is Aang scaling from for this fight? I'm aware that Mirinae is upscaling massively from that 200+ tons of TNT 8-A feat, but idk about Aang.
This is the best Low 7-C feat that seems to directly scale to him and not make this fight a stomp. However,


If we use this one, then this fight is in a stomp range (over 8x stat diff) unless we consider Mirinae being almost or outright 8-A+. I believe Mirinae can win so long as she's not getting straight up one-shot and no-selled by Aang, but I can't say she wins otherwise.

If we assume that Mirinae is "just below 8-A+", say, she's 500 tons due to "upscaling massively from 200-something tons", then I think she takes this due to being a far superior fighter everywhere but raw power and range. Even her versatility is surprisingly comparable.
 
Mand21 said:
And even then Mirinae would be able to tank it longer than anybody, all the while being capable of harming him and far more willing to do so. She's also far more experienced than he is and probably also more intelligent.

Also, which feats is Aang scaling from for this fight? I'm aware that Mirinae is upscaling massively from that 200+ tons of TNT 8-A feat, but idk about Aang.
This is the best Low 7-C feat that seems to directly scale to him and not make this fight a stomp. However,


If we use this one, then this fight is in a stomp range (over 8x stat diff) unless we consider Mirinae being almost or outright 8-A+. I believe Mirinae can win so long as she's not getting straight up one-shot and no-selled by Aang, but I can't say she wins otherwise.

If we assume that Mirinae is "just below 8-A+", say, she's 500 tons due to "upscaling massively from 200-something tons", then I think she takes this due to being a far superior fighter everywhere but raw power and range. Even her versatility is surprisingly comparable.
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I don't see why Aang would scale to Combustion Man's bending when the latter has pretty much overpowered everything that the gang threw at him.
 
MysticBrawler said:
This looks more like he redirected the explosion with an air blast and yet he still got sent flying by the shockwave.
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I mean, it's an accepted feat, but sure, you can argue he downscales from it, and downscales back to his previous feat.

So Mirinae is upscaling massively from 200 tons, but is not 8-A+. But she's still several times weaker, I suppose?

Well, she should be able to win, for the reasons listed above.

My vote is for Mirinae.
 
Mand21 said:
I mean, it's an accepted feat, but sure, you can argue he downscales from it, and downscales back to his previous feat.

So Mirinae is upscaling massively from 200 tons, but is not 8-A+. But she's still several times weaker, I suppose?

Well, she should be able to win, for the reasons listed above.

My vote is for Mirinae.
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Ok then.
 
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