Zeromus additions

[PaChi2]

Zeromus

Personally I feel we should add a "True Form" key:

Non-corporeality: his base form isnt its true form and basically any damage dealt to it will be useless (it has intangibility). Basically, the base is an avatar.

Immortality: Types 1 and... maybe 8. Zeromus before being defeated states that it will keep living as long as there is darkness in the humans' hearts.

Mind manipulation and Memory manipulation scaling from Zemus.

Power nullification via Black Hole.

Matter manipulation via Flare.

Energy manipulation (Big Bang)

Resistance to mind manipulation scaling from Zemus (who should have it added) because he was forcefully sealed and put to slumber by the lunarians but his mind could still function and affect Golbez.

Levitation: both Zemus and Zeromus appear to be floating.


And I'd have to play the after years to know the context behind "Zeromus' Malice", which may add Resurrection to this list.

Talking about the "True Form" key. I understand that the base form is the first form that appears after Zemus' death. Then we have another "true" form after the crystal is used against this base, and Zeromus EG and Zeromus' Malice that are independent.

Resurrection: brought back the 4 Elemental Fiends after they were killed.

Power Bestowal: empowered thr 4 Elemental Fiends to defeat the party.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask The Everlasting and others listed under Final Fantasy in the Knowledgeable Members List to comment here if you wish.

 

[PaChi2]

I have informed The Everlasting and Repp about this.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[PaChi2]

I changed the title.

 

[Reppuzan]

The Zeromus changes look reasonable.

I'm not sure about Cecil. The Mist Dragon is literally the first boss in the game. Yes, it's stronger than Golbez's Shadow Dragon, but I don't know if that should rule it out for scaling.

 

[PaChi2]

I mean, the shadow dragon is literally featless. The only thing that is High 6-A in that fight is Golbez. The shadow dragon shows up, spams his death hax and then dies to the mist dragon (who can harm Golbez, who is capable of tanking Meteor, which is the strongest magic in the verse).

The mist dragon harming Golbez should be considered an outlier/game mechanics, its either that or Cecil/Kain defeating it is the outlier.

What's clear is that Dark Knight Cecil cannot compare to Golbez by any means.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Titan is still stronger than Ifrit. High 6-A Dark Knight Cecil is legitimate.

I agree with the rest.

(I also should bring up that the Low 5-B calc got recalced at 5-A. 5-A all-around FFIV?)

 

[PaChi2]

Titan never attacked Cecil and Kain directly, tho. Rydia summoned it and titan made a 6-B feat. I dont know why you'd scale Cecil to Titan if they never fought.

My proposal was scaling Cecil to Titan's feat and not to Titan itself since they never actually fought.

 

[PaChi2]

Ok, I have 2 more things to add to the OP:

Resurrection: Resurrected the Elemental Lords after they were killed by the party.

Power Bestowal: Rubicante and co had been empowered by Zemus in order to defeat the party.

Since apparently High 6-A Dark Knight Cecil is legit, well, Im dropping it, but still not too sold on it tbh. I will remove it from the OP and add these two.

 

[Reppuzan]

@PaChi2

Resurrection is A-OK.

I don't remember the Fiends getting upgraded specifically. Rubicante only mentions that they learned the merits of attacking all at once.

 

[PaChi2]

Oh, shoot. Maybe its because they are amped (as in higher stats) for that battle I misremembered. Its game mechanics, then.

Anyway. I already added everything except for Resurrection. I think we can close this.