Zabuza Momochi vs Alex Mercer.

[C2_of_Omegon]

...I thought that was the default assumption? That a fictional character with notable higher AP and durability than their opponent can't be physically harmed by the said opponent, regardless of the amount of physical attacks?

It depends entirely on the tiers in question. Simply being of a higher tier doesn't mean that a character is beyond the lower tiered character's ability to harm or hurt. Tiers are ranges, and depending how far each character is in their respective tier, will dicate who has the advantage, by how much or if there even is one in the first place.

If the difference in AP/Dura/Tier are within acceptable ranges it's fully possible for a lower tiered character to fight a higher tiered. Heck, the lower one could even win.

 

[Schnee_One]

For another example, the gap between 7A and High 7A is at most 10x, a mid end 7A will be at a minor disadvantage at worst

 

[DeathNoodles]

What's the AP gap that determines complete inability to physically harm for the lower-tiered characters then? Because last I've checked, at least a 7.5x gap is normally assumed to be a one-shot as far as Versus matches goes...

 

[Schnee_One]

Completely immune to multiple attacks? Absolutely massive, but not quantifiable

 

[Uniasha]

true

 

[DeathNoodles]

Completely immune to multiple attacks? Absolutely massive, but not quantifiable

What gap would you at least estimate that to be? 7.5x? 10x? 20x?

 

[Schnee_One]

20x personally? Not a concrete answer though

 

[Uniasha]

20x personally? Not a concrete answer though

would alex mercer survive from such an attack multiple times?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

20x personally? Not a concrete answer though

I'd have to agree with that as well, but I also have no backing evidence. It's just that 20x seems massive enough of an advantage to just completely outclass your opponent in every way.

Though honestly it might be less than that in actuality. For example in real life the difference in strength between a peak human and a Peak African Lion is probably a lot less than 20x, yet no amount of hits that a human gives to a lion will do any significant damage, while one paw swipe will murder a man immediately. It's a pretty interesting topic imo, you know how much it actually takes to just fodderize someone.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Honestly, I'm not sure if AP really would be treated that way. That's like saying that you punching a target 20 times would equivalent to an another person who is 20x stronger than you punching that target once... That's essentially saying the quantity of your hits = the quality of your hits in terms power accordingly...

 

[Schnee_One]

It isn't treated like that at all though, otherwise we wpuld say 8 punches means death for anyone comparable.

You obviously sustain more damage the more hits you take.

 

[DeathNoodles]

...So, you're talking about chip damage?

 

[Schnee_One]

I guess? I only know chip damage in fighting game terms.

 

[Uniasha]

chip damage works but as for the 20X quantity of A can damage B...


nope

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

XD

 

[Uniasha]

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[UchihaSlayer96]

XD

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[Schnee_One]

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[Zamasu_Chan]

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

OK, that spiralled out of control. I was just reacting to the meme.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

OK, that spiralled out of control. I was just reacting to the meme.

XD

 

[Migue79]

OK, that spiralled out of control. I was just reacting to the meme.

XD

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[Schnee_One]

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

-_-

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Are you done yet? Because i would like this to be serious.

 

[Elizhaa]

I'm gonna go with Zabuza here. Mercer has the hax advantage, and is quite versatile, but Zabuza has a ridiculous AP advantage that is High enough to vaporize Mercer. So his Regenerationn won't be a problem.
He'll rely on his stealth and mist to get in close proximity and deliver hell with his blade. He'll use water clones for scouting and distractions, and with the sheer AP gap they'll be really difficult to deal with. He also has his water prison Jutsu as an incap option, so overall I think Zabuza's chances are pretty good especially with prior knowledge.

I mean Zabuza can't vaporized though. Using the building which have 8-C durability, for reference to Mercer, required 7-C+ and up AP for vaporizatio; Zabuza is only rated at 7-C.

I think this match is stomp since Zabuza can't kill Alex Mercer due to his Low-High Regenerationn.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

@Elizhaa

Zabuza will be High 7-C after the Revisions, but unfortunately they've been put on hold due to the forum migration. The calculations that are going to upgrade them are already accepted and are already on the Naruto (The Universe) page.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Vaporizing an entire building =\= vaporizing a 8-C character

 

[Elizhaa]

@Elizhaa
Zabuza will be High 7-C after the Revisions, but unfortunately they've been put on hold due to the forum migration. The calculations that are going to upgrade them are already accepted and are already on the Naruto (The Universe) page.

Which is the supporting calculation for High 7-C?

 

[Elizhaa]

Vaporizing an entire building =\= vaporizing a 8-C character

Yeah, more or less the calculation is the closest reference to the AP needed for vaporization against 8-C characters.

 

[M3X_2.0]

No, it is not. According to the Tiering System:

Keep in mind that certain tiers don't necessarily correspond to the destruction of their namesakes in any meaningful fashion. This is because the minimum requirements for these tiers are either arbitrary values or ones without a source. These tiers should preferably not be assigned unless there are accepted calculations that coincide with the respective specified thresholds for them.
	~ Tiering System​

And the example list has the 8-C Tier there. You can create a CRT to change the values of the 8-C Tier based on that calculation about "destroying a skycraper" since you think that's the energy to vaporize a 8-C character

 

[Schnee_One]

M3X is absolutely correct

 

[Elizhaa]

I was wrong, my mistake.

 

[Schnee_One]

Another thing worth noting is that it requires far more energy to vaporize a building due to its larger size.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.