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Yhwach's abilities

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I'd be willing to add Fate Manipulation the profile, but his healing negation is more a result of him manipulating the future so that a future where Ichigo was healed wasn't possible.

In addition, Fate Manipulation wasn't a page when Yhwach's page was written.
 
I'm pretty sure this isn't a matter of Yhwach's hax, Orihime couldn't heal Ichigo when Ulquiorra put a hole in him, even though she was able to put back both of Aizens fan-girls previously- one of which was wounded far more severely than Ichigo was, her healing has limits, anyone sufficiently more powerful than her seems to be exempt from her power.
 
It is Yhwach's hax that makes it impossible for Orihime to heal Ichigo. Thats why he has causality manipulation to begin with

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Orihime couldnt heal Ulqui because he himself didnt allow it.
 
PaChi2 said:
It is Yhwach's hax that makes it impossible for Orihime to heal Ichigo. Thats why he has causality manipulation to begin with Orihime couldnt heal Ulqui because he himself didnt allow it.
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they removed his casuality manipulation
 
they removed it a while ago, because they didn't know why yhwach had it, if you know more about it then you should make a thread for it.
 
Sōten Kisshun (ÕÅîÕñ®Õ©░þø¥, Twin Sacred Return Shield): is Orihime's "healing" technique. It surrounds something to return it to its former, complete state. It rejects, reverses, and reconstructs phenomena that have occurred, even phenomena that Orihime hasn't witnessed. The incantation summons Ayame and Shun'ō to form a half-oval barrier around whatever or whomever Orihime wishes. Their ability is to repel the "inner shield." The shield placed inside means that they repel the damage within a limited area. In other words, they return a subject covered by the shield to the state that they were in before taking damage. Orihime fully restored Grimmjow's destroyed arm from nothing. Sōsuke Aizen describes this as "The Rejection of Events". Her ability is to limit, reject, and negate any kind of event that has happened to her target.

^Negating this is literally Causality manipulation of higher caliber than Orihime's, as simple as that.

@Burning PIS is a thing. It was a plot device in order for Ichigo's hollow to appear.
 
Orihime's power has three limits: She can't heal someone who had mortal wounds for a long time, though the exact time frame is unknown, at least the duration of a night, was no problem for her. She can't revive someone whose body and Reiatsu are gone. And of course her mental will and stamina.

This is from a synopsis of the novel.
 
Yes PIS is a thing... except for when it's not. Orihime herself notes the difficulty in healing ichigo after Ichigo was pierced by Ulquiorra in their initial meeting here it fits the narrative and does not in any way contradict with her showings in the future- not being able to heal Ichigo after Ulquiorra powers up significantly and wounds him again and not being able to heal Ichigo's wounds after Ywach harms him.
 
She was able to heal ichigo after Tsukishima changed the past to get rid of Yhwach's influence.... its clearly Yhwach's hax that unables the healing.
 
Tsukishima's involvement doesn't prove ur point. Ur point is that Yhwach's Hax prevented her from healing Ichigo, but Tsukishima himself notes here that the reason y Orihime couldn't reject the events that had happened is because of Yhwach's immense power, so they circumvented that by rejecting it in a past where Ywhach didn't wreck shop. It's not that Ywhach was actively preventing the healing, he was just too powerful for Orihime.
 
"he rewrote the future with such a nimmense power that you weren't able to reject it"

rewrote

"but if there"s a future where that didn't happen then you should be able to reject it"

where his ability comes in to alter the past.
 
She could had healed Ichigo, Yhwach said so by questioning Ichigo's reason as to why he choose not to get healed.

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-683-page-3.html http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-683-page-4.html

What Yhwach needs is Casuality Manipulation. That which he destroys with his Almighty can't be undone, unless the past is change.
 
I'm talking about both, if you didn't read the comments above. The discussion is about Orihime healing Ichigo and his sword.
 
And the current discussion above is about cannot healing his sword, which Orihime suddenly can heal it again because of Tsukishima power, and again your pic doesn't say anything about the sword, instead it is about ichigo come at Yhwach at half dying state.
 
There's no current value when you where never here. I wanted to discuss a previous discussion above and since this thread isn't close I have every right. Are you gonna bring something to the discussion of Orihime not healing Ichigo or are you gonna derail through her not healing her sword? Anyway, like I said both are been discussed at the moment, don't derail this thread with something if you're not planning to talk about it.
 
@AppleLord Yhwach by then was already under the influence of kyouka suigetsu, which is why he most likely didn't see that orihime was unable to heal either ichigo & his sword.
 
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Not Jim Sterling said:
your pic doesn't say anything about the sword, instead it is about ichigo come at Yhwach at half dying state.
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Orihime can suddenly heal the sword has been pretty clear is due to Tsukishima power.
 
Stick695 said:
@AppleLord Yhwach by then was already under the influence of kyouka suigetsu, which is why he most likely didn't see that orihime was unable to heal either ichigo & his sword.
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Orihime didn't healed him. Yhwach deduction was right. Of course he wouldn't see it, otherwise, he wouldn't had asked if he knew.

http://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-683-page-16.html
 
and why do you think that he didn't see it?

orihime herself said that she wouldn't be able to undo any of the destruction that he would rain upon them in the future that they're entering and she apologized to ichigo because he wouldn't be able to fight anymore, if she could heal him then she'd have done so right away
 
Because KS makes Yhwach see Future A as Future B and Future B as Future G and so on. She couldn't even stand up. Lol But the two reasons Yhwach gave are reasonable. I guess Aizen also haves a hole in his ches too? So where is the Hogyoku now?
 
no that's pure speculation about the effects of ks on the almighty

also, the reasons yhwach gave weren't reasonable because she was still able to heal his swords after tsukishima altered the past.
 
Is not. Lol is what KS does A.K.A. Manipulation of Five Senses, one of them is eye sight. So is not reasonable for Ichigo to believe that if Orihime healed him, he would be too late to stop Yhwach? I don't understand your deduction abilities.
 
What the point of these heals ichigo wound again? the sword is what we need unless Ichigo to believe that if Orihime healed his sword, he would be too late to stop Yhwach and thus want to fight Yhwach empty handed...
 
it is he can make them perceive whatever he wants without them noticing whether it's real or not the complete effects of it on the almighty is pure speculation, all we know that aizen used it to intervene with his precognition.

dude i said this multiple times already, orihime herself said that she wouldn't be able to undo any of the destruction that yhwach brings upon them. i don't understand why you're ignoring what i say.
 
anyways last thread about causality manipulation, it was removed but orihime not being able to undo the damage yhwach inflicted with the almighty wasn't brought up, so shouldn't it be added back to his profile with fate manipulation?
 
So, have you reached any conclusions here?
 
@Antvasima im pretty sure that everyone agrees that Fate Manipulation & Causality manipulation should be added back to his profile
 
the reason why it was removed in the first place is because nobody knew why it was there, & now the reason has been brought up
 
I'm fine with fate manipulation, but I'm not certain about Causality manipulation. Causality manipulation deals with messing with cause and effect Ywhach just messes with fate
 
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I'm fine with fate manipulation, but I'm not certain about Causality manipulation. Causality manipulation deals with messing with cause and effect Ywhach just messes with fate
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he doesn't just mess with fate, where did you get that from?
 
@Ant

I'd rather have more input on this, since Bepo brought up a novel statement that has been pretty much ignored in this conversation.

Fate Manipulation is a given.

But Causality Manipulation discussion is split into three camps.

1) The idea that Orihime's power has limits due to her lack of training, willpower, and overall strength when compared to beings like Yhwach.

2) Orihime didn't heal Ichigo because the latter was rushing ahead out of her range since he wanted to stop Yhwach.

3) Yhwach overcame her abilities with better Causality Manipulation via the Almighty.

All three are plausible, but vague given how Kubo wrote the scenes.
 
Orihime was able to heal ichigo's sword after tsukishima altered the past is what we need to confrin that she cant heal ichigo due to yhwach, for ichigo wound? yhwach doesn't say anyhing about ichigo refuse to let his sword be rapair by orihime, only his wound.

And the novel statement is inrerevant due to the reason above.
 
@Not Jim Sterling

I'm not sure if that makes the novel statement irrelevant. It just shows that there are clear limits on her power to reject events that have happened and that it's more difficult for her to heal more severe wounds.

AppleLord's posts make it clear that Ichigo was rushing ahead to try and get Yhwach, thus preventing Orihime from catching up to heal him.

"Why didn't you let Inoue Orihime heal your wounds before standing up again? Is it because she herself was on the verge of death? Or perhaps... Did you think you wouldn't make it in time if you waited to be healed before coming after me?"
 
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