Yhwach Abstract Existence

[Hellscream]

Yhwach in the bleach manga, describe himself as to watching over "the entirety of fate" and every possible future in existence"

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Yhwach was later on killed, but was said to be able to rewrite futures even in the ones where he has died,
which would make sense considering his earlier statement of watching every possible future from above.

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Considering that yhwach described himself, as to watching over "every possiblity" and being able to change "the entirety of fate" should he not be some sort of abstract existence?
Although im not entirely sure what this would be called, Abstract existence was the first thing that came to mind.

 

[Arcker123]

No

 

[Deceived3596]

This isn't anything that'll grant you Abstract Existence, it's just Fate Manipulation and Resurrection.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

This has absolutely nothing to do with Abstract Existence

 

[Aseka]

Nope, it doesn't grant him Abstract Existence.

 

[Hellscream]

The said character described himself to watch over an infinite amount of futures from high above, stating that even if he has died, he'd still be able to rewrite that said future. Is this still considered as just fate manipulation?

 

[Deceived3596]

The said character described himself to watch over an infinite amount of futures from high above, stating that even if he has died, he'd still be able to rewrite that said future. Is this still considered as just fate manipulation?

Yes, it's just a effect that Yhwach has with his Fate Manipulation, nothing else.

It's just Resurrection and Type 4 Immortality via Fate Manipulation.

 

[Aseka]

The said character described himself to watch over an infinite amount of futures from high above, stating that even if he has died, he'd still be able to rewrite that said future. Is this still considered as just fate manipulation?

Yeah, and he can watch over infinite amount of future means he have Precognition which can see infinite future. That is what it is.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Can yhwach still revive if you kill him in every future?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Bump

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yhwach in the bleach manga, describe himself as to watching over "the entirety of fate" and every possible future in existence"

Seen in these screenshots below

Gyazo

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Gyazo

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Gyazo

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Yhwach was later on killed, but was said to be able to rewrite futures even in the ones where he has died,
which would make sense considering his earlier statement of watching every possible future from above.

Gyazo

gyazo.com

Gyazo

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Considering that yhwach described himself, as to watching over "every possiblity" and being able to change "the entirety of fate" should he not be some sort of abstract existence?
Although im not entirely sure what this would be called, Abstract existence was the first thing that came to mind.

disagree, this can be closed

 

[ImmortalDread]

Naw, this is a disagreement for me.

 

[Hellscream]

This is an older thread, but i just wanted to say, that if yhwach is dead, the only thing left from him would be "his mind" which is definetly considered as an abstraction.
And not to mention that yhwach's existence is made up out of information.

 

[ImmortalDread]

No, it is not. Also, your second claim is irrelevant to the thread.

 

[Hellscream]

No, it is not. Also, your second claim is irrelevant to the thread.

Damn, so someone's mind is not considered as an abstraction?

That's new to me.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Damn, was it stated like that or just random assumption?

That's iffy to me

 

[Hellscream]

Damn, was it stated like that or just random assumption?

That's iffy to me

How can he ressurect himself, and rewrite futures even though he's dead?

 

[ImmortalDread]

How is this even relevant to abstract existence? Him resurrecting himself is immortality type 4, rewriting future is fate manipulation, even tho he is “dead”, ya Yama could also move after being dead. Why would this be abstract existence in any forms???

Bro? @Deceived3596 literally explained you above

 

[Hellscream]

How is this even relevant to abstract existence? Him resurrecting himself is immortality type 4, rewriting future is fate manipulation, even tho he is “dead”, ya Yama could also move after being dead. Why would this be abstract existence in any forms???

Bro? @Deceived3596 literally explained you above

to rewrite the future he'd have to be alive, correct? how can he do that when he's dead? how is he supposed to rewrite the future when he's not alive to begin with

 

[Hellscream]

His immortality type 4 comes from rewriting the future, which he stated that he can do even after he's dead.

 

[Hellscream]

There's more than one being that should be getting AE though, gerard should be getting AE as well.
He's literally stated to be "the hope" of people given form which is pretty much the definition of being an abstract existence..

 

[ImmortalDread]

to rewrite the future he'd have to be alive, correct?

No? Not necessarily? He was still able to do it while being dead. Why would your assumption be anywhere valid? Did it state anywhere that “All mightly users” need to be alive to be able to write the future?

how can he do that when he's dead? how is he supposed to rewrite the future when he's not alive to begin with

Mate, what is this question? HOW is this even abstract existence to begin with?

There's more than one being that should be getting AE though, gerard should be getting AE as well.
He's literally stated to be "the hope" of people given form.

I agree with this, but damn, it is extraneous to the thread to the point, no one cares. Pretty much @Deceived3596 is planning for this in the future.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

No? Not necessarily? He was still able to do it while being dead. Why would your assumption be anywhere valid? Did it state anywhere that “All mightly users” need to be alive to be able to write the future?

Mate, what is this question? HOW is this even abstract existence to begin with?

I agree with this, but damn, it is extraneous to the thread to the point, no one cares. Pretty much @Deceived3596 is planning for this in the future.

I agree, I think with his logic we could update the sisters of fate or other characters, lol

 

[Hellscream]

you still haven't explained how he's rewriting the future even though he's dead.

How can he rewrite the future when he's dead, he'd need to have his mind / consciousness in order to do so right?
So how is he rewriting the future when he's already dead, aka his mind, soul & body.

The almighty is obviously stated to be thought based, so how is he doing it even though he's dead?

Thoughts are obviously abstract..

 

[Hellscream]

Either way, idc about this thread it can be closed it's old and i made it in 20 seconds.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

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