Wouldn't miraculous ladybug characters be outer?

[Grillmaster]

Well I'd like to start off with my reasoning for how the kwamis are Platonic concepts Each Kwami represents a fundamental concept: Plagg embodies Destruction,
Tikki embodies Creation, Wayzz embodies Protection, etc.


These are not just arbitrary abilities they are core, abstract ideals that exist independently of the story or universe!


In Platonic terms, they reflect the "perfel Forms" of these concepts, unchanging and universal.

As shown here




Kwamis are described as existing in all timelines and universes.

This multiversal omnipresence matches the Platonic requirement of being beyond physical reality and dimensional limits


They are not bound by the rules of a single

universe; their existence is consistent across

realities.


as shown here



They are not bound by the rules of a single

universe; their existence is consistent across

realities.

This aligns with the Platonic idea that Forms exist beyond the mutable, imperfect material world

In my opinion kwamis meet the criteria: they embody perfect ideals, exist beyond single realities and persist across the multiverse.



Hopefully i put my stuff in the right spot this time

 

[Flashlight237]

I think it's like Force users in Star Wars: Sure, the Force itself is an overarching deity, but Force users don't really make that much use of the force.

 

[Grillmaster]

I think it's like Force users in Star Wars: Sure, the Force itself is an overarching deity, but Force users don't really make that much use of the force.

The thing is that they have access to the full power when they do stuff like special moves if I remember correctly so cataclysms and lucky charms access that full power but it only goes into hax

 

[Lort15]

This needs to be moved to questions

 

[Grillmaster]

This needs to be moved to questions

Is there a good way to do that because this took a while to write

 

[Lort15]

Is there a good way to do that because this took a while to write

An admin can move it to question forum, ask them

 

[Grillmaster]

An admin can move it to question forum, ask them

Ok

 

[Flashlight237]

@Damage3245 Would it be possible to move this thread to the Questions board?

 

[Damage3245]

@Damage3245 Would it be possible to move this thread to the Questions board?

Done.

 

[TheTenno07]

If they are born with the universe that makes them type 2 concepts, also the fact that their concept can only exist once in the universe meaning that the concepts exist in the universe and it's not independent. Another thing, as the scan shows the kwamis are born into be, so they aren't eternal meaning that they're mutable what it's another thing anti feat for the platonic concepts

 

[Grillmaster]

If they are born with the universe that makes them type 2 concepts, also the fact that their concept can only exist once in the universe meaning that the concepts exist in the universe and it's not independent. Another thing, as the scan shows the kwamis are born into be, so they aren't eternal meaning that they're mutable what it's another thing anti feat for the platonic concepts

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The kwamis exist before the universe but the piece of the kwami is born into a universe whenever the concept begins to exist there, I think this is supported by the existence of gimmi who is the concept of reality and the creator of the multiverse, tiki and plagg are two halves of her power so they would realistically have to exist in a higher form (like their true forms they showed in gimmis pocket dimension) before the universe exists

 

[TheTenno07]

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The kwamis exist before the universe but the piece of the kwami is born into a universe whenever the concept begins to exist there, I think this is supported by the existence of gimmi who is the concept of reality and the creator of the multiverse, tiki and plagg are two halves of her power so they would realistically have to exist in a higher form (like their true forms they showed in gimmis pocket dimension) before the universe exists

The scan isn't working

 

[Grillmaster]

The scan isn't working

Ill see if a reddit link tk the same images of their true form is on reddit ig

https://www.reddit.com/r/miraculousladybug/s/XHex3ytNNY

From that link you will see that they have existed in their true Forms before the multiverse existed but the smaller pieces of their form are born into the universes as the small chibi Forms

 

[TheTenno07]

Ill see if a reddit link tk the same images of their true form is on reddit ig

https://www.reddit.com/r/miraculousladybug/s/XHex3ytNNY

From that link you will see that they have existed in their true Forms before the multiverse existed but the smaller pieces of their form are born into the universes as the small chibi Forms

So basically your argument is... a reddit theory?

 

[Grillmaster]

So basically your argument is... a reddit theory?

No I was put the link because the link to the images wasn't working and jt had the images I needed to show, this has nothing to do with reddit besides that

 

[TheTenno07]

No I was put the link because the link to the images wasn't working and jt had the images I needed to show, this has nothing to do with reddit besides that

Oh, okay

 

[Lort15]

Ill see if a reddit link tk the same images of their true form is on reddit ig

https://www.reddit.com/r/miraculousladybug/s/XHex3ytNNY

From that link you will see that they have existed in their true Forms before the multiverse existed but the smaller pieces of their form are born into the universes as the small chibi Forms

i guess he meant this

Plagg: I'm Plagg the Kwami of destruction, i'm everything that is and no longer will be.
Tikki: I'm Tikki the Kwami of Creation, i'm everything that isn't yet and yet to be
Gimmi: I'm everything that is, was and will be

 

[Grillmaster]

i guess he meant this

Plagg: I'm Plagg the Kwami of destruction, i'm everything that is and no longer will be.
Tikki: I'm Tikki the Kwami of Creation, i'm everything that isn't yet and yet to be
Gimmi: I'm everything that is, was and will be

Yeah exactly

 

[Lort15]

Bump?

 

[Grillmaster]

Bump?

I would love to hear more opinions on it

 

[Lort15]

I would love to hear more opinions on it

I'm not an expert of conceptual manip or outversal tier so i'm also wondering

 

[Grillmaster]

I'm not an expert of conceptual manip or outversal tier so i'm also wondering

Yeah for the most parts I got a decent grasp on the basics which was hiw I was able to form my claim but still need an expert opinion

 

[Ezaru]

Not really seeing enough for outer here?

 

[Grillmaster]

Not really seeing enough for outer here?

I'm curious on why it doesn't, would you like to explain why not?

 

[Ezaru]

I'm curious on why it doesn't, would you like to explain why not?

I dont really see a qualitative gap

But then again I dont really know that much about 1-A stuff. Once we stop using Math I get inflicted with confusion

 

[Grillmaster]

I dont really see a qualitative gap

But then again I dont really know that much about 1-A stuff. Once we stop using Math I get inflicted with confusion

Yeah my understanding of outer when math isn't involved gets confusing because of the factors nessacary to get there

 

[Lort15]

Bump

 

[Exoko]

Idrk much about Outer myself but from what I do know it cannot exist in a non-1A reality alongside non-1A beings, existing everywhere does not count as transcending reality but just encompassing it, and it cannot be split into smaller non-1A things (pieces of kwami born in the universe). It looks more like a Type 2 concept to me

 

[Lort15]

Idrk much about Outer myself but from what I do know it cannot exist in a non-1A reality alongside non-1A beings, existing everywhere does not count as transcending reality but just encompassing it, and it cannot be split into smaller non-1A things (pieces of kwami born in the universe). It looks more like a Type 2 concept to me

Idk about outer but maybe Tilki and Plagg's true form qualify for type 1 concept? They exist before universe was a thing as they stated
Tikki: I'm everything that isn't yet and yet to be idk if this is enough for type 1 concept