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Recently several Worm characters speed was upgraded from Subsonic to Hypersonic based off this one calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._gives_the_verse_a_semblance_of_speed_featery
I already pointed out how the timeframe for the feat is ambiguous and other issues with the calc, but even if we were to ignore that, it would be an outlier for these characters.
Alexandria for example, is explicitly only 10 times faster than a normal human in combat speed:
"Eidolon was making his move before Alexandria was even free. He cast out a bubble that swelled as it moved through the air. By the time it reached Echidna, it was twice as big around as she was, enough to reach from one sidewalk to the other. The colors around her became muted, and her movements slowed to a tenth of the speed. It was a time-distortion effect.
Alexandria flew low to the ground, striking and catching hold of a traffic light. In one second she was a blur, the next she appeared to be moving as fast as a person did when they ran." - Scourge 19.5
Lung, who is also only Subsonic at best, manages to attack Alexandria's regular human boss for half a second while grappling with her:
"Lung was still growing, still changing, and his throat was broad enough now that she couldn't do more than dig her fingertips into the front of it, but he still couldn't break free of her grasp. He opted for a second option, leveling a hand at the Doctor, Manton, the Number Man and the crowd of boys. Fire erupted forth. A half-second's worth, before Alexandria threw him down and kicked him full-force into the wall beside us." - Venom 29.7
Finally in Cell 22.4, Alexandria was killed by thousands of insects, which would not be an outlier as insects reactions can be around 10 times ours: https://medium.com/the-physics-arxi...ckest-reactions-might-surprise-you-da3752e279
I could find plenty of more examples, but this collection should have plenty: https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...nd-source-thread.335340/page-31#post-27299273
Scion himself also shows a lack of Hypersonic reactions:
"A trio of objects moved towards the alien from the fallen rig. Spheres.
They detonated, each one exploding a fraction of a second after the one before.
Glaistig Uaine. She had four spirits with her, and three were working in concert. One to form raw materials, two to fashion them into objects, a telekinetic to manage it all by holding Eidolon immobile in the sky while launching the bombs in Scion's direction." - Interlude 27
Gets hit by bombs that explode in a fraction of a second while fighting Eidolon and Glaistig Uaine, two of the strongest characters in the verse.
Only moves about as fast as an arrow at short distances:
"I watched the scene. Scion flying with a speed like an arrow shot from a bow" - Speck 30.5
Takes 2-3 seconds to kill some people in H2H:
"And then he was in their midst, hitting them with physical blows, tearing them to pieces, each hit harder, faster and more gruesome than the last. A sweep of his arm and a cape with stone armor was torn in two.
Two or three seconds and he'd taken nineteen capes out of action, wounding several more." - Speck 30.2
Needed to use very powerful but lifespan draining preog to dodge an explicitly only supersonic attack:
"I looked at Foil.
I took control of her, had her bend down to grip a rock. I channeled it with her power.
A moment later, I brought Ballistic through.
He used his power on the rock. I was already moving the group to safety when Scion evaded the incoming projectile.
His future sight power wasn't like Contessa's. Narrower, lacking imagination, but he'd set up contingencies. If X happened, then the power would automatically kick in." - Speck 30.5
Was unable to kill Foil, the only character who could harm his true body, in the time it took for someone to throw her out of the battlefield:
"His eyes were on Foil. A golden light swelled in his hand.
We spread out, but Foil didn't even flinch. Even as Cuff backed away, Foil reached out to touch the sawblade, imbuing it with power.
Scion reached out, and Parian used her power, encircling Foil with the end of a length of cloth. Not an animal, only an arm.
In the instant Scion loosed the bolt of light, Parian flung Foil away. Not a simple throw, but a reckless, inhumanly strong one." - Venom 29.1
Gets shot:
"Queen of Swords touched the tip of her sword to one of the main lines of the diagram she'd created. A circular blob expanded from the point like blood welling from a prick from the blade, two-dimensional, dark blue and translucent.
She drew a gun from her hip with her free hand, aimed it at the blob and fired. The bullet hit the blob and pushed against it, SLOWING down with every fraction of an inch it traveled. It came to a complete stop, the previously flat surface of the blob-portal-thing now more of a cone, poked out of shape by the bullet's movement. For a half-second, I thought it would be like a trampoline, sending the bullet back to sender.
Then it punched through, and I could see ribbons, fire, darkness and innumerable other effects trailing behind it as it resumed normal speed.It struck Scion as he started to fire another beam of light at the crowd opposite me and the Undersiders. Scion stumbled, the aftermath of a dozen different powers rippling over, around and through him, and the beam was cut off by one of the powers." - Venom 29.2
Alexandria managed to fight Scion for minutes despite his attacks negating durability:
"It took excruciating minutes to get my head out of that sludge, and to make sense of what I was looking at. Minutes, as Scion tore into Alexandria" - Speck 30.4
Khepri, who defeated Scion said she could only think in 1/30th of a second at most, even with her shard helping her:
"Doormaker was capable of opening the doorways at the speed of thought. I had multitasking abilities. I could open them faster. Not one after the other, a thirtieth of a second passing between each, but simultaneous." - Speck 30.5
In conclusion, I would say that downgrading all the upgraded characters back to Subsonic would work fine.
I already pointed out how the timeframe for the feat is ambiguous and other issues with the calc, but even if we were to ignore that, it would be an outlier for these characters.
Alexandria for example, is explicitly only 10 times faster than a normal human in combat speed:
"Eidolon was making his move before Alexandria was even free. He cast out a bubble that swelled as it moved through the air. By the time it reached Echidna, it was twice as big around as she was, enough to reach from one sidewalk to the other. The colors around her became muted, and her movements slowed to a tenth of the speed. It was a time-distortion effect.
Alexandria flew low to the ground, striking and catching hold of a traffic light. In one second she was a blur, the next she appeared to be moving as fast as a person did when they ran." - Scourge 19.5
Lung, who is also only Subsonic at best, manages to attack Alexandria's regular human boss for half a second while grappling with her:
"Lung was still growing, still changing, and his throat was broad enough now that she couldn't do more than dig her fingertips into the front of it, but he still couldn't break free of her grasp. He opted for a second option, leveling a hand at the Doctor, Manton, the Number Man and the crowd of boys. Fire erupted forth. A half-second's worth, before Alexandria threw him down and kicked him full-force into the wall beside us." - Venom 29.7
Finally in Cell 22.4, Alexandria was killed by thousands of insects, which would not be an outlier as insects reactions can be around 10 times ours: https://medium.com/the-physics-arxi...ckest-reactions-might-surprise-you-da3752e279
I could find plenty of more examples, but this collection should have plenty: https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...nd-source-thread.335340/page-31#post-27299273
Scion himself also shows a lack of Hypersonic reactions:
"A trio of objects moved towards the alien from the fallen rig. Spheres.
They detonated, each one exploding a fraction of a second after the one before.
Glaistig Uaine. She had four spirits with her, and three were working in concert. One to form raw materials, two to fashion them into objects, a telekinetic to manage it all by holding Eidolon immobile in the sky while launching the bombs in Scion's direction." - Interlude 27
Gets hit by bombs that explode in a fraction of a second while fighting Eidolon and Glaistig Uaine, two of the strongest characters in the verse.
Only moves about as fast as an arrow at short distances:
"I watched the scene. Scion flying with a speed like an arrow shot from a bow" - Speck 30.5
Takes 2-3 seconds to kill some people in H2H:
"And then he was in their midst, hitting them with physical blows, tearing them to pieces, each hit harder, faster and more gruesome than the last. A sweep of his arm and a cape with stone armor was torn in two.
Two or three seconds and he'd taken nineteen capes out of action, wounding several more." - Speck 30.2
Needed to use very powerful but lifespan draining preog to dodge an explicitly only supersonic attack:
"I looked at Foil.
I took control of her, had her bend down to grip a rock. I channeled it with her power.
A moment later, I brought Ballistic through.
He used his power on the rock. I was already moving the group to safety when Scion evaded the incoming projectile.
His future sight power wasn't like Contessa's. Narrower, lacking imagination, but he'd set up contingencies. If X happened, then the power would automatically kick in." - Speck 30.5
Was unable to kill Foil, the only character who could harm his true body, in the time it took for someone to throw her out of the battlefield:
"His eyes were on Foil. A golden light swelled in his hand.
We spread out, but Foil didn't even flinch. Even as Cuff backed away, Foil reached out to touch the sawblade, imbuing it with power.
Scion reached out, and Parian used her power, encircling Foil with the end of a length of cloth. Not an animal, only an arm.
In the instant Scion loosed the bolt of light, Parian flung Foil away. Not a simple throw, but a reckless, inhumanly strong one." - Venom 29.1
Gets shot:
"Queen of Swords touched the tip of her sword to one of the main lines of the diagram she'd created. A circular blob expanded from the point like blood welling from a prick from the blade, two-dimensional, dark blue and translucent.
She drew a gun from her hip with her free hand, aimed it at the blob and fired. The bullet hit the blob and pushed against it, SLOWING down with every fraction of an inch it traveled. It came to a complete stop, the previously flat surface of the blob-portal-thing now more of a cone, poked out of shape by the bullet's movement. For a half-second, I thought it would be like a trampoline, sending the bullet back to sender.
Then it punched through, and I could see ribbons, fire, darkness and innumerable other effects trailing behind it as it resumed normal speed.It struck Scion as he started to fire another beam of light at the crowd opposite me and the Undersiders. Scion stumbled, the aftermath of a dozen different powers rippling over, around and through him, and the beam was cut off by one of the powers." - Venom 29.2
Alexandria managed to fight Scion for minutes despite his attacks negating durability:
"It took excruciating minutes to get my head out of that sludge, and to make sense of what I was looking at. Minutes, as Scion tore into Alexandria" - Speck 30.4
Khepri, who defeated Scion said she could only think in 1/30th of a second at most, even with her shard helping her:
"Doormaker was capable of opening the doorways at the speed of thought. I had multitasking abilities. I could open them faster. Not one after the other, a thirtieth of a second passing between each, but simultaneous." - Speck 30.5
In conclusion, I would say that downgrading all the upgraded characters back to Subsonic would work fine.
