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Greetings. How about a game of CRT? I'll be playing with a downgrade deck.
This thread will work to do two things for the Witcher verse pages:
This is the clip for the alleged Quen Active Shield feat, which comes from the Battle of Kaer Morhen:
Triss cast a spell for fireballs to randomly fall down over an area (like you are required to dodge them while traveling by horse or foot), in order to suppress/distract/kill the Wild Hunt forces, and Lambert blocks one with a Quen Active Shield.
There are two problems:
First, it assumes that since Triss can do Weather Manipulation, this means that every random fireball Triss summoned is an overkill Tier 7 attack, even though this is not a focused attack and the vast majority of the fireballs will miss, which is absurd. This is like saying that since Triss can do Weather Manipulation through her Hailstorm spell, every single attack from hail is Tier 7.
The same CRT also removed the separation between Weather Manipulation as Environmental Destruction and direct attack AP, though this will be discussed in point 2.
The second problem is that seconds later in the exact same scene, we see Imlerith tanking a fireball, which will lead to Geralt's attack and durability being Tier 7 via. scaling. It is shown in a later cutscene that Geralt is physically comparable to Imlerith, and Imlerith was severely damaged and had part of his armor melted from Igni.
The second point is that equating the energy for magical attacks with the energy for environmental destruction is questionable. For one, non-Source mages don't have Tier 7 attack feats, and game Geralt fought multiple top-tier mages in boss battles, and it wasn't portrayed that a casual attack from them will turn Geralt to paste. The magic system in Witcher isn't 'add more magic/fuel for stronger attack'; it is about manipulating Chaos, which is fickle and dangerous, to use spells from different elements. The only people who are portrayed to have probable Tier 7 feats are Sources (and the majority of trained mages aren't Sources and don't come close to their magical potential).
In contrast, let's look at the Merigold Hailstorm incident, which was referenced in the game. Weather Manipulation was described as being complicated, and Yennefer and Triss acknowledged that they don't know spells they can use on the spot with enough AoE to scare off an angry mob:
As a bonus, here are a couple of hax mentioned in Gwent card lore:
Triss can create a barrier that transforms arrows into butterflies
Yennefer can transform a garrison of soldiers into toads.
This thread will work to do two things for the Witcher verse pages:
- Downgrade Quen Active Shield's City level rating, as the justification is incredibly weak and would logically lead to Geralt's physicals being City level as well
- Downgrade basic magic attacks as they don't scale with the energy of Weather Manipulation, making the Weather Manipulation just Environmental Destruction
1. Quen
1. Quen
This is the clip for the alleged Quen Active Shield feat, which comes from the Battle of Kaer Morhen:
Triss cast a spell for fireballs to randomly fall down over an area (like you are required to dodge them while traveling by horse or foot), in order to suppress/distract/kill the Wild Hunt forces, and Lambert blocks one with a Quen Active Shield.
There are two problems:
First, it assumes that since Triss can do Weather Manipulation, this means that every random fireball Triss summoned is an overkill Tier 7 attack, even though this is not a focused attack and the vast majority of the fireballs will miss, which is absurd. This is like saying that since Triss can do Weather Manipulation through her Hailstorm spell, every single attack from hail is Tier 7.
The same CRT also removed the separation between Weather Manipulation as Environmental Destruction and direct attack AP, though this will be discussed in point 2.
The second problem is that seconds later in the exact same scene, we see Imlerith tanking a fireball, which will lead to Geralt's attack and durability being Tier 7 via. scaling. It is shown in a later cutscene that Geralt is physically comparable to Imlerith, and Imlerith was severely damaged and had part of his armor melted from Igni.
2. Environmental Destruction
The second point is that equating the energy for magical attacks with the energy for environmental destruction is questionable. For one, non-Source mages don't have Tier 7 attack feats, and game Geralt fought multiple top-tier mages in boss battles, and it wasn't portrayed that a casual attack from them will turn Geralt to paste. The magic system in Witcher isn't 'add more magic/fuel for stronger attack'; it is about manipulating Chaos, which is fickle and dangerous, to use spells from different elements. The only people who are portrayed to have probable Tier 7 feats are Sources (and the majority of trained mages aren't Sources and don't come close to their magical potential).2. Environmental Destruction
A source who loses control might blow up half a town, and Ciri's mother (who is a Source since she possesses Elder Blood) almost reduced a castle to ashes.
In contrast, let's look at the Merigold Hailstorm incident, which was referenced in the game. Weather Manipulation was described as being complicated, and Yennefer and Triss acknowledged that they don't know spells they can use on the spot with enough AoE to scare off an angry mob:
Which means that they are limited by the magic system, and can't just casually use a spell to blow up a building, let alone half a town, even if they can use Weather Manipulation.
As a bonus, here are a couple of hax mentioned in Gwent card lore:
Triss can create a barrier that transforms arrows into butterflies
Yennefer can transform a garrison of soldiers into toads.
