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Why are almost all the big baddies of MLP 4-C?

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I get why some of them would be at least 4-C, but not straight up 4-C. Stygian's power could equal his durability, Tirek has the power of 2 alicrons vastly stronger than basically any other unicorn and 2 alicorns who are SUPER casually star level. You can't automatically assume that makes him High 4-C I guess if you really do the math (if you really lowball, Twi and Cadance could be High 6-C, and the royal sisters could be barely baseline 4-C), but Tirek has made it seem very unlikely that the four alicorns aren't at least kinda close in power, with how weird everything powerscaling wise would be otherwise. And if the princesses are even 2x baeline, which is likely considering Celestia literally says in an episode that raising the sun is easy, Tirek, the Eoh/RP, possibly Stygian, and The Storm King are High 4-C. I'm not asking for that though, I just want them to be At Least 4-C, cause it's really obvious that they are. But why is RP not blatantly High 4-C? Even lowballing, Discord is 1.5x stronger than the princesses, and Tirek was strong enough to absorb his magic, making him 1.5x or more stronger than them, so 3+x star level. And than he gained Twilight's power, making him at the very least 6x baseline star level. Unless people really think RP isn't even 1.12x stronger than a VERY lowballed Tirek. In fact, even Tirek should be High 4-C if we're not lowballing (you know, the classic 4 alicorns x2 debate).
 
You can ask Darkanine to comment here.
 
But currently Twilght is having a big revision thread around her, and anyway, the characters that were supposed to be Star Level+ are just Star Level on their pages for some reason. And Celestia and Luna are super casually Star Level, so at 'least' should be applied to a lot of characters. Even the post said a lot of characters should be At least 4-C, but the only one who has that rating is RP. Not even All Alicorn Twilight, Post-Discord Tirek, and the PoS have at least.
 
Also, that thread considered Twilight as 3x alicornn level, but small star level is still enough to be considered, especially depending on how far into Low 4-C Twilight is. Starswitl sin't even that tired apparently after helping to raise the sun, so he should contribute more to the sun lifitng than the other master unicorns. And if Twilight's comparable, then 8 alicorn Tirek is definitely High 4-C.
 
Someone in chat the other day actually was asking why Celestia and Luna are 4-C for moving the sun, since he doesn't think that translates to AP. Thoughts anyone?
 
I thought moving the sun would be "4-C via Telekinesis" or something like that, not straight up AP. Unless Celestia has shown to fire a lazer beam out of her horn to blow up a celestial body or something.
 
The justification on her profile is Star level (Raises the sun every day, and has done so for over a thousand years. Has matched and defeated opponents on the same level as her, such as King Sombra)


IDK if that translates to AP. Also, can you scale to someone that scales to you?
 
Pretty sure that's an AP Loop that isn't allowed since it's just a cycle of "Scales to Character A who scales to Character B who scales to Character A"
 
No. Celestia raises the Sun everyday for 1111 years and is comparable to others who can harm and match her.
 
The god tiers scale to Celestia and Luna who can easily raise the Sun/Moon. Other's scale to them because hey can match/harm them or are superior to them like Discord or Full Powered Tirek.
 
Okay, but does moving the sun translate to AP is the question? Cause if it does then it's fine, but we still need to remove the AP loop from her page.
 
Who cares anyways? Twilight survived a tele-slam by Tirek, and he was incapable of Telekinetically holding her down long enough to steal her magic like he did other ponies. Telekinesis in MLP is basically wrapping a target in energy and moving it. Logically, they should be able to use that same energy for attack power. Literally no reason not to.
 
This thread is more justification reasoning needing to be revised as presently, the character's reasonings are AP Loops which isn't allowed and just needs to be reworded/changed.
 
Just remove the "defeated Sombra" portion. It isn't hard. And for the record: Beating Sombra isn't the reason. It's a supporting reason. Still needs removal fra, but still.
 
Which profiles need to have their justifications changed?

Also, in lack of better options we count moving stars at ftl speeds as star level x the number of stars involved, as otherwise it would have to be unquantifiable, since it isn't covered by mathematics.
 
I think just Celestia, as she is the only one who scales to Sombra who scales to her. Cadence can keep 4-C for keeping the dude out with her magic, so no need to remove her reasoning.
 
Okay. Thank you for the help.
 
Can you remind me what you are talking about?
 
A lot of the MLP villains, and a couple other god tier characters should be changed to At least 4-C/High 4-C depending on the character.
 
Also, while we're on the topic of Celestia (kinda), Principal Celestia should be changed back to 10-B, or At least 10-B. Both Sunset Shimmer and Rainbow Dash are strong, so Celestia shouldn't scale. She's an office lady, so that supports it even more. I mean, Sunset isn't SUPER athletic, but she's been generally shown as physically competent, and Rainbow obviously is stronger than Principal Celestia. I guess she could be 9-B, but there's not enough proof. She should have an At least 10-B rating. Same for Vice Principal Luna. And any other human characters who have not directly shown powerful feats.
 
You should ask Darkanine and Azahoth to comment here. I don't want to mess anything up by accepting changes thar they disagree with.
 
I asked Azathoth a few days ago, and commented again, and I just notified Darkanine. But even if they don't respond, isn't this just basically implementing what was already agreed on in a previous thread? (discounting the human things of course)
 
I am not sure, and we are also in the middle of another MLP revision thread right now.
 
See here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2473979
 
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