She downscales from Kaidou... So does Luffy.
No. That's not how that works.
Never said he did.
Yes. Primebeard outscales Sickbeard by default. And don't resort to saying power creep when top tiers still have showings and scaling from said showings is used. Whitebeard doesn't show haki there no, but that's meaningless.
Because he negates Devil Fruits, so he took Ace by suprise
Better Haki training. Plus, Ace didn't have a 2-year timeskip.
And Yamato was conscious after a direct fight with Kaidou
That was Base Yamato and Snakeman
Withstood < Scales to.
Lol dont know why you even brought this up whitebeard lost badly in marineford he barely caused any damage to akainu while akainu attacks destroyed whitebeard.
It is considering they are all basically scaling from the same feat with just higher for every form.
He never said he didnt.
It means a lot because Luffy even with advanced armament haki was destroyed by kaidou's conquero haki heck even with advanced conqueror haki he was still defeated 2 times, Oden was destroyed because of conqueror haki, king was destroyed because conqueror haki. One Piece lets clear that advanced conqueror haki is basically God level that nothing can beat unless they also have advanced conqueror haki.
That's mostly duraneg.
Not technically incorrect.
Thaaaaat's kinda bullshit.
Did Kaidou even use Advanced Conqueror's on Oden?
Kinda No Limits Fallacy tbh
Even when Ace did know about this ability, he still took serious damage.
Not better haki training. Ace was straight instructed which I doubt was the case for Yamato. 2 year thing is fair tho
Barely. Like I said they were back in base form, and on the floor panting.
Snakeman + Acoc. Snakeman + Acoc amps>Zoan Amps. Even Gear 2 matched Zoan Amps
His durability does scale. He was basically fine afterwards. And Whitebeard made Blackbeard think he was going to die during there fight so obviously his a.p with Gura upscales to Hybrid Sengoku.
Whitebeard also casually swatted away Akainu's dog bite attack when he was in a healthier state(which he is at the start of this hypothetical fight) and Akainu was down after two attacks until after Whitebeard died.
Given it was pointed out when he used it against Luffy, I think he needs to say he does for us to think that.
Yamato's Acoc doesn't scale to any of these people. Her feats don't give her enough strength to win.
Yeah. They up and down scale. Yamato's combat speed is probably better than Whitebeard's but I think A.P makes up for it.
Given preformance against Greenbull I don't think that's unfair. I also never said that I had admirals above Yamato.
That was base Yamato.
Yes, because Whitebeard aims for weak spots.
That shit > something Whitebeard coming back from.Not better haki training. Ace was straight instructed which I doubt was the case for Yamato. 2 year thing is fair tho
Barely. Like I said they were back in base form, and on the floor panting.
2 people, one using Snakeman and another using Advanced Conqueror's is greater than a Zoan amp, yes.
Sengoku did one hit, spread out, against the whole crew.
Akainu held back one of his attacks with 1 leg.
Neither does Sickbeard lol.
Maybe but haki can protect from attacks with duraneg too, and if you care for that then Whitebeard got damaged by simple bullets and weak marines
Maybe but assume he did or didnt use goes the same way
Kaidou defeated Oden because he caught him off guard so it doesnt really matter
Not really when its shown that advanced conqueror haki can basically trump any other haki, and in this case its even more relevant since whitebeard old barely even has haki.
So? Akainu also turned half a island into lava attack that he didnt used here, his multi continental tier comes from his devil fruits full power, to begin with this scaling is bad.
He said that Luffy was not the only one with future vision its not even stating that he used he is just pointing out he has, and he did point out so does that mean that the attack he just dodged he didnt used future vision but only that he uses future vision from now on wards?
Scales to kaidou lol her conqueror haki was capable of clashing against Kaidou for a while until Luffy got there. And whitebeared barely even uses haki which advanced conqueror haki basically ignores
I mean, Haki hasn't protected anyone from Akainu's punches except Shanks.
Burden of Proof fallacy.
Exactly, but Conq Kaidou > Oden
Just saying it's the best Haki doesn't make it invincible.
Nah, the scaling is good, it's Shiki-based.
This is true, my boi was fighting Kaidou for a while.
One is enough. Also haki can protect someone from fire so the reason that only shanks did it is because the people dont have haki strong enough to survive Akainu's attack temperature.
Thats very flawed argument Kaidou does have future vision, thats like saying "How do you know "x" is not holding back?" So how do you know that Ussop is not a god with conqueror haki as he stated he has but he was holding back the entire time? Characters are often scaled to others based on their full power example Marineford Whitebeard is scaling of Akainu based on him using his full power even though we saw he was much more powerful that what he shown during Marineford.
If you like that so much im gonna used it too "Burden of proof fallacy" You are basing that on pure assumption since Oden and Kaidou never fully fought a fair fight
But makes it stronger than whoever has a weaker haki.
Which by the way there is already a CRT to downgrade because the shiki calc should scale to akainu or whitebeard.
Yeah.
Burden of proof lies on those making the positive claim, sorry.
No, I scale based solely on the blows they traded.
Generally? Yes.
Yeah, I know.
But he not stating to have used is not a proof that he didnt, the fact that he can use it and he does use it fights is proof.
Do you mean the fight where Oden made the worse scar Kaidou ever had and then was defeated because of "cheating"? That proves nothing.
Possibly, yes.
Cutting Zoan Kaidou is literally his best feat.
Yes, but that doesnt prove its the best he can do, and if something this would prove that Oden has an Haki somehow superior to that of kaidou. The only reason he is not considered stronger is because Oden is not a yonkou which by all means is not actually a tier nor would that limit Oden considering that you dont need a yonkou to be able to fight one even more a crew of beasts like Rogers's.
That isn't how Burden of Proof works.
I sincerely don't even know what is this about anymore.
kaido straight up admitted that he would lose to oden if oden didnt get distracted
Yes, and he got stronger afterward.
Dog..
