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White Blood : Major Upgrade

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From this feat which is rated 8-B+ ( 84.8024378585 Tons of TNT ), the character who shows this feat is a low-tier ( support character ), there are many characters that are much stronger than him
Normal Vampires: 8-B+ (84.8024378585 tons)

It was later stated that normal vampires who received the potion could gain a 10x boost in power, so normal vampires who received the potion should upgrade to 848.024379 Tons of TNT ( 8-A+ )
Drug-Enhanced Vampires (10x): 8-A+ (848.024379 tons)

Characters classified as Lions are described as the strongest vampires, capable of controlling ordinary vampires across the entire country. ̶I̶ ̶b̶e̶l̶i̶e̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶t̶r̶e̶n̶g̶t̶h̶ ̶g̶a̶p̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶w̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶L̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶o̶r̶d̶i̶n̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶v̶a̶m̶p̶i̶r̶e̶s̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶2̶x̶ ̶(̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶i̶t̶y̶,̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶s̶i̶g̶n̶i̶f̶i̶c̶a̶n̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶g̶r̶e̶a̶t̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶s̶a̶f̶e̶t̶y̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶s̶t̶e̶n̶c̶y̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶e̶r̶v̶a̶t̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶e̶s̶t̶i̶m̶a̶t̶e̶)̶
At least 8-A+ (848.024379 tons), far higher

Furthermore, Mamon (a member of the Lions) is stated to possess a drug that can boost his power by at least 100x. Therefore, the Lions, who are comparable to Mamon, should be upgraded to
7-C+ (84.8024379 kilotons)

Vael (Lions) is a character comparable to Mamon, or perhaps even stronger. He fought Yohan, the God-Tier character in the verse, and it was stated that Yohan's strength at that time was at least 100x greater than his own

Therefore, Yohan should be upgraded to
At least 7-B (8.48024379 megatons)

Yohan is one of the strongest characters, empowering the Lions. When he fought Vael, he hadn't yet displayed his true strength. ̶S̶o̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶Y̶o̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶(̶F̶u̶l̶l̶ ̶P̶o̶w̶e̶r̶)̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶̶2̶x̶ Yohan ( Full Power ) up to
At least 7-B (16.96048758 megatons) , likely higher

Hayan is the strongest character in the verse

Base Hayan can fight Yohan (Full Power). As you can see, Yohan is barely able to fight Base Hayan. ̶T̶h̶e̶r̶e̶f̶o̶r̶e̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶B̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶H̶a̶y̶a̶n̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶w̶i̶c̶e̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶s̶t̶r̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶Y̶o̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶6̶7̶.̶8̶4̶1̶9̶5̶0̶4̶ ̶M̶e̶g̶a̶t̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶(̶7̶-̶B̶)̶
At least 7-B (16.96048758 megatons), likely higher

Hayan's Uncontrollable Mode greatly increases her strength. She fought and defeated Yohan without any damage, and in the series finale, she easily defeated Yohan with just two hits. ̶S̶o̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶H̶a̶y̶a̶n̶'̶s̶ ̶U̶n̶c̶o̶n̶t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶M̶o̶d̶e̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶l̶e̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶w̶i̶c̶e̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶s̶t̶r̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶B̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶M̶o̶d̶e̶.̶ ̶1̶3̶5̶.̶6̶8̶3̶9̶0̶1̶ ̶M̶e̶g̶a̶t̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶(̶ ̶7̶-̶A̶ ̶)̶
At least 7-B (16.96048758 megatons), far higher, even higher in Uncontrollable Mode

Agree : BlackCat , Celestial_Pegasus , Vietthai96 , Emirp sumitpo

Neutral :

Disagree :
 
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I’d like to give a warning first: multipliers don’t stack that easily.

Let’s start with the first multiplier: 10×
We can use this one, because the character who produced this feat was an ordinary vampire. So a vampire who consumed the drug should logically be able to use the same multiplier (at least in my opinion).

The second multiplier:
I don’t think this one can be used, because according to VSBW rules, if no explicit number is stated, the wiki does not allow applying a multiplier—even if the characters are described as “the strongest.” In most cases, it simply ends with “Higher” or “Far Higher.”

The third multiplier: 100×
I think this one can be used, because it follows the same logic as the first case. So I believe the 100× multiplier is acceptable.

The fourth multiplier: Johan’s Full Power
This one can reasonably be treated as , because the story directly shows that his Full Power form is significantly stronger. (However—as with other cases—if no numerical comparison is given, it might still end up as just “Higher” or “Far Higher.”)

Base Hayan
I don’t think this form can be multiplied, since it’s treated as a general baseline. So this one should be “At most” or “Far Higher.”

Hayan’s Uncontrollable Mode
This one is also tricky, because it’s only mentioned briefly, stating that “…they lose control and become much stronger.” Since no numbers are given, I think we cannot apply a specific multiplier.

As for the other multipliers, I don’t think any of them are usable—even if they say those characters are stronger than Mamon (unless the story explicitly says “several times stronger,” which would allow at least a 2× multiplier). But without such statements, we can’t multiply anything, and it will usually end as “Higher” or “Far Higher,” just like the previous cases.

So, in the end, I think the results should look like this:
  • Normal Vampires: 8-B+ (84.8024378585 Tons)
  • Drugged Vampire (10×): 8-A+ (848.024379 Tons)
  • Lions: At least 8-A+ (848.024379 Tons), far higher
  • Drugged Mamon (100×): 7-C+ (84.8024379 kilotons)
  • Vael (likely stronger than drugged Mamon): At least 7-C+ (84.8024379 kilotons), higher
  • Johan Full Power (2×): At least High 7-C (169.604876 kilotons) Or At most 7-C+ (848.024379 Kilotons), far higher
  • Base Hayan: At most High 7-C (169.604876 kilotons), far higher
  • Hayan’s Uncontrollable Mode: At most High 7-C (169.604876 kilotons), far higher, even higher with Uncontrollable Mode
 
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I’d like to give a warning first: multipliers don’t stack that easily.

Let’s start with the first multiplier: 10×
We can use this one, because the character who produced this feat was an ordinary vampire. So a vampire who consumed the drug should logically be able to use the same multiplier (at least in my opinion).

The second multiplier:
I don’t think this one can be used, because according to VSBW rules, if no explicit number is stated, the wiki does not allow applying a multiplier—even if the characters are described as “the strongest.” In most cases, it simply ends with “Higher” or “Far Higher.”

The third multiplier: 100×
I think this one can be used, because it follows the same logic as the first case. So I believe the 100× multiplier is acceptable.

The fourth multiplier: Johan’s Full Power
This one can reasonably be treated as , because the story directly shows that his Full Power form is significantly stronger. (However—as with other cases—if no numerical comparison is given, it might still end up as just “Higher” or “Far Higher.”)

Base Hayan
I don’t think this form can be multiplied, since it’s treated as a general baseline. So this one should be “At most” or “Far Higher.”

Hayan’s Uncontrollable Mode
This one is also tricky, because it’s only mentioned briefly, stating that “…they lose control and become much stronger.” Since no numbers are given, I think we cannot apply a specific multiplier.

As for the other multipliers, I don’t think any of them are usable—even if they say those characters are stronger than Mamon (unless the story explicitly says “several times stronger,” which would allow at least a 2× multiplier). But without such statements, we can’t multiply anything, and it will usually end as “Higher” or “Far Higher,” just like the previous cases.

So, in the end, I think the results should look like this:
  • Normal Vampires: 8-B+ (84.8024378585 Tons)
  • Drugged Vampire (10×): 8-A+ (848.024379 Tons)
  • Lions: At least 8-A+ (848.024379 Tons), far higher
  • Drugged Mamon (100×): High 7-C+ (848.024379 Kilotons)
  • Vael (likely stronger than drugged Mamon): At least High 7-C+ (848.024379 Kilotons), higher
  • Johan Full Power (2×): At least Low 7-B (1.69604876 Megatons) Or At most High 7-C+ (848.024379 Kilotons), far higher
  • Base Hayan: At most Low 7-B (1.69604876 Megatons), far higher
  • Hayan’s Uncontrollable Mode: At most Low 7-B (1.69604876 Megatons), far higher, even higher with Uncontrollable Mode
You forgot the fourth multiplier, where Yohan is at least 100x stronger than vael

What you said makes sense, but I'll wait for the staff to comment as well before changing the discussion
 
You forgot the fourth multiplier, where Yohan is at least 100x stronger than vael

What you said makes sense, but I'll wait for the staff to comment as well before changing the discussion
It seems I really overlooked this part. If we include that multiplier, the results should look like this:
  • Normal Vampires: 8-B+ (84.8024378585 tons)
  • Drug-Enhanced Vampires (10x): 8-A+ (848.024379 tons)
  • Lions: At least 8-A+ (848.024379 tons), far higher
  • Mamon (Drug-Enhanced, 100x): 7-C+ (84.8024379 kilotons)
  • Vael (Likely stronger than Drug-Enhanced Mamon): At least 7-C+ (84.8024379 kilotons), higher
  • Base Johan (100x stronger than Vael): At least 7-B (8.48024379 megatons)
  • Johan, Full Power (2x): 7-B (16.96048758 megatons)
    Or At most 7-B (8.48024379 megatons), far higher
  • Base Hayan: At most7-B (16.96048758 megatons), far higher
  • Hayan’s Uncontrollable Mode: At most 7-B (16.96048758 megatons), far higher, even higher in Uncontrollable Mode
 
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It seems I really overlooked this part. If we include that multiplier, the results should look like this:
  • Normal Vampires: 8-B+ (84.8024378585 tons)
  • Drug-Enhanced Vampires (10x): 8-A+ (848.024379 tons)
  • Lions: At least 8-A+ (848.024379 tons), far higher
  • Mamon (Drug-Enhanced, 100x): High 7-C+ (848.024379 kilotons)
  • Vael (Likely stronger than Drug-Enhanced Mamon): At least High 7-C+ (848.024379 kilotons), higher
  • Base Johan (100x stronger than Vael): At least 7-B+ (84.8024379 megatons)
  • Johan, Full Power (2x): 7-A (169.6048758 megatons)
    Or At most 7-B+ (84.8024379 megatons), far higher
  • Base Hayan: At most 7-A (169.6048758 megatons), far higher
  • Hayan’s Uncontrollable Mode: At most 7-A (169.6048758 megatons), far higher, even higher in Uncontrollable Mode
It seems you're slightly mistaken. Mamon (Drug-Enhanced, 100x) is 84.8024379 kilotons, not 848.024379 kilotons

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It seems to have been fixed.
 
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It seems I really overlooked this part. If we include that multiplier, the results should look like this:
  • Normal Vampires: 8-B+ (84.8024378585 tons)
  • Drug-Enhanced Vampires (10x): 8-A+ (848.024379 tons)
  • Lions: At least 8-A+ (848.024379 tons), far higher
  • Mamon (Drug-Enhanced, 100x): 7-C+ (84.8024379 kilotons)
  • Vael (Likely stronger than Drug-Enhanced Mamon): At least 7-C+ (84.8024379 kilotons), higher
  • Base Johan (100x stronger than Vael): At least 7-B (8.48024379 megatons)
  • Johan, Full Power (2x): 7-B (16.96048758 megatons)
    Or At most 7-B (8.48024379 megatons), far higher
  • Base Hayan: At most7-B (16.96048758 megatons), far higher
  • Hayan’s Uncontrollable Mode: At most 7-B (16.96048758 megatons), far higher, even higher in Uncontrollable Mode
This should be fine.
 
The fourth multiplier: Johan’s Full Power
This one can reasonably be treated as ,
This is not correct, significantly stronger isn't x2 either, unless you literally stomp the opposition, so you can somewhat put yourself at x2

The rest of the updated multipler is fine
 
This is not correct, significantly stronger isn't x2 either, unless you literally stomp the opposition, so you can somewhat put yourself at x2

The rest of the updated multipler is fine
So it should be like this, right?

Normal Vampires: 8-B+ (84.8024378585 tons)

Drug-Enhanced Vampires (10x): 8-A+ (848.024379 tons)

Lions: At least 8-A+ (848.024379 tons), far higher

Mamon (Drug-Enhanced, 100x): 7-C+ (84.8024379 kilotons)

Vael (Likely stronger than Drug-Enhanced Mamon): At least 7-C+ (84.8024379 kilotons), higher

• Base Johan (100x stronger than Vael): At least 7-B (8.48024379 megatons)

• Johan, Full Power : At most 7-B (8.48024379 megatons), far higher

• Base Hayan: At most 7-B (8.48024379 megatons), far higher

• Hayan’s Uncontrollable Mode: At most 7-B (8.48024379 megatons), far higher, even higher in Uncontrollable Mode
 
Johan, Full Power : At most 7-B (8.48024379 megatons), far higher

• Base Hayan: At most 7-B (8.48024379 megatons), far higher
If someone is at most X tier, then it shouldn't have far higher after that, because at most mean that is the highest one can reach. Unless far higher is via external factors, which drom what i saw, do not exist
 
If someone is at most X tier, then it shouldn't have far higher after that, because at most mean that is the highest one can reach. Unless far higher is via external factors, which drom what i saw, do not exist
So, should we use the term "at least" instead?
 
Furthermore, Mamon (a member of the Lions) is stated to possess a drug that can boost his power by at least 100x. Therefore, the Lions, who are comparable to Mamon, should be upgraded to
7-C+ (84.8024379 kilotons)
are they comparable to specifically drugged Mamon or base Mamon though
the way you're scaling them to each other (saying they're all members of the Lions) implies they're comparable to base Mamon, not him + this drug that he's been developing for 5 years

every other issue i had (assuming Yohan's full power is a 2x amp) or whatnot seems to have been otherwise fixed
why not update the OP with the new version so anyone you ask to evaluate the thread can see it there instead of having to scroll down for it
 
I think we should use “At least” instead of “At most”, and then add “far higher” after it
It should be At least, likely/possibly higher. Because we don't know the exact stronger value, At least 7-B mean he should be at least that strong, likely/possible higher mean he is likely higher than 7-B, just we don't know the exact value, how stronger he is
 
are they comparable to specifically drugged Mamon or base Mamon though
the way you're scaling them to each other (saying they're all members of the Lions) implies they're comparable to base Mamon, not him + this drug that he's been developing for 5 years

every other issue i had (assuming Yohan's full power is a 2x amp) or whatnot seems to have been otherwise fixed
why not update the OP with the new version so anyone you ask to evaluate the thread can see it there instead of having to scroll down for it
Vael possesses greater strength than Mamon ( after receiving drugs ), as he is considered a High-Tier character, whereas Mamon is only Mid-Tier

Since I am still discussing this matter with Vietthai96, I have not reached a final conclusion yet. However, I have updated it for the time being
 
It should be At least, likely/possibly higher. Because we don't know the exact stronger value, At least 7-B mean he should be at least that strong, likely/possible higher mean he is likely higher than 7-B, just we don't know the exact value, how stronger he is
Now I fixed it. How is it?
 
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