What kind of Conceptual Manipulation is this??

[RM97]

A group of beings residing in higher dimension plane of existence are able to create a regular 4D multiverse with their imaginations, ideas, emotions, and thoughts. Said universes and all their aspects within the multiverse are completely defined & shaped by the ideas of the beings and even if these universes/multiverse are destroyed, the ideas will still remain and can be used to create new universes/multiverse. So what does this qualify as??? Type 2 or 3 Conceptual Manipulation?????

 

[Skalt711]

Type 2 of Conceptual Manipulation. Going by your description I don't see these ideas being bound by objects because "even if these universes/multiverse are destroyed, the ideas will still remain and can be used to create new universes/multiverse" implies that the universes/multiverse (aka objects) don't bound the ideas (aka concepts). I'm not well aware of the ability though.

 

[Kaltias]

A higher being shaping a multiverse in all its aspects would fall under very versatile reality warping by itself.

However, if those ideas aren't bound to the stuff that they are thinking about but are some kind of eternal abstracts it'd be type 2 as Skalt explained

 

[RM97]

I see. But say what if the universe exists as part of the multiverse and the collective ideas of the beings in the universe creates the other universes/multiverse and determines, shapes, and governs every aspect of it???? Changing the collective ideas changes the objects and all their aspects while conversely, the destruction of the objects/universes doesn't affect the ideas as those ideas can be used to create new universes/multiverses????

What type of concept manip would this be???

 

[Kaltias]

The point is more "are those concepts to begin with?"

If it's a higher being shaping reality, it's just RW.

If the ideas exist independently and shape reality, they are akin to type 2 concepts

 

[Skalt711]

Now it doesn't sound like Conceptual Manipulation because you wrote this with such accent that makes me think of the ideas being just thoughts of beings. Reality Warping fits this description the best.

Edit: Just don't forget to add Creation into this soup.

 

[Skalt711]

Pro tip: Don't spam question marks

 

[RM97]

The point is more "are those concepts to begin with?"

If it's a higher being shaping reality, it's just RW.

If the ideas exist independently and shape reality, they are akin to type 2 concepts

Would "Ideas and Thoughts" qualify?

For context: A single being in the universe imagines of a new world which just remains as an idea. It is when that idea is shared and perceived by others that the world is created and even if the world is destroyed, as long as the collective idea of the world exists among the being, a new world can be created. Furthermore, a single being modifying the idea does nor changes the world unless that change is perceived and thought out by others collectively which changes the world.

Another thing is that such ideas and thoughts of the beings can be used to ideate, create, and shape anything from a Type 1 Abstract being to a full fledged 2-B sized Multiverse.

 

[Skalt711]

That's not fair Now it is a solid specific form of Reality Warping with Creation.

 

[RM97]

That's not fair Now it is a solid specific form of Reality Warping with Creation.

Ah, but the thing is these beings are just regular normal humans who cannot even reality warp or create shit if they wanted to in their universe. Just their ideas and thoughts create, shape, and govern the multiverse and everything in it except for their universe.

 

[Eganergo]

Not helping but it sounds like The Transcendence (Xeelee Sequence).

 

[Skalt711]

4D normal human? Why not?

Well, if you insist on this ability not being Reality Warping, perhaps Type 3 of Conceptual Manipulation would work? Technically the ability should be Type 2 due to ideas transcending the reality of these universes/multiverses, but your text reveals these ideas as being bound to the beings, to their thoughts. Type 3 works there because while the conception of some universe may decease if we'll destroy it, but our image of how this concept works still exist in our thoughts.