Warrane Ambre vs Asuna Kamakura

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Also known as, I'm here to ask you one question. EXPLOSIONS!?

Also known as, "If I had a nickel for every instance I realized a hyper stacked RP character of mine had a fair match, that'd be 2 nickels, which is weird but I want more money"

7-C keys used

Speed Equalized

Otherwise Standard Battle Assumptions

Literally Gojo Satoru from Jujutsu Kaisen:

Literally Megumin from Konosuba:

Makima somehow:

 

[Rayfire]

You’re kinda supposed to ask permission from the creator (me) before making matches with their character, but that’s okay Also I didn’t see this until now so Asuna has more abilities she got from Chapter 5.5 whoops

I boutta go super into detail about this, sorry… Anyways, After looking warrane’s profile, He definitely has an AP and durability edge over Asuna (50 kilotons > 15 Kilotons) but it’s nothing that Asuna can’t handle, and She could also close the gap if the fight went on for long enough thanks to Reactive Evolution

Additionally, warrane seems to have a superiority complex and is described as being kinda crazy in combat, whereas Asuna, while she very briefly taunts her opponents occasionally even in serious situations, remains level-headed in a fight. If I’m not wrong, warrane would be going all out from the get-go trying to kill Asuna, while Asuna will be alot more careful which will give her an edge. Asuna could also avoid the crazy amount of attacks that warrane could throw at her pretty easily thanks to Danger Sense And Instinctive Action, Even if there’s a lot things she has to avoid, She’s dealt with danmaku-like attacks before thanks to her fight with Kedron, and her Hypermobility only makes it more likely, which may frustrate warrane to lose focus Considering that superiority complex of his. She could also use Riftways to outmanoeuvre him further, too, or even beat him via BFR Potentially. Asuna could also fight back with her own danmaku attacks thanks to some of her already-existing skills, or even just one she makes up on the spot. She’ll get used to the chaotic attacks warrane unleashes pretty quickly, anyway.

Asuna also has a lot of abilities that can effectively clash with or even negate warrane’s own. If warrane tries to attack her on the mental layer, Asuna can resist it thanks to mind manipulation resistance, and also Supernatural Willpower, which is why Asuna isn’t affected by chidori’s time Magic’s memory manipulation also. She can also resist attacks on the spiritual layer thanks to her soul and spirit already being protected by her own mana, and the fact that they can’t be affected whatsoever unless they die. (Otherwise people could make skills that removes their souls from their bodies in Bakuhatsu, therefore automatic win in a fight lol) That leaves warrane with only the option of attacking Asuna on the physical layer, which will be extremely difficult for reasons above. Even if warrane outclasses Asuna in terms of Hax and abilities (Which I’m not sure if he does, I only had a brief read of his profile) Asuna can make up new skills and even magic types on the spot to surprise him, and maybe even disable his energy battery if possible. She could also use the Playback skill, which can take warrane by surprise. Even though he most likely shouldn’t be affected by the memory manipulation of that skill, I doubt he’ll be able to detect or predict someone coming at him from a higher dimension. Asuna could also use Air Magic/Telekenesis To throw him, or Riftway Creation to send him flying, too, among a million other things Asuna could do, and probably would considering her Genius Battle IQ Would definitely be adequate enough.

In more detail about Intelligence, If warrane gets frustrated, then he’s obviously going to be more aggressive and less rational, while Asuna would still be pretty level-headed, Though she might taunt him occasionally to make him angrier assuming she’s not on the edge.
And Asuna might take The opportunity to use time magic to leap through the dimension of time (4th dimension) and surprise him. Bonus points if Asuna figures out she can’t kill him due to his Low-Godly regeneration by then, (Which would likely be the case since Asuna would realize that most of her magic types won’t kill him) and traps him in absolute zero prison, where he can’t escape or move an inch, due to ice magic canonically being absolute zero temperature, which warrane doesn’t have any resistance to. Or, if Asuna gets lucky, she’ll strike his whole body, therefore his head, which apparently can’t be regenerated. Being aware of the whole battlefield in detail is cool, but he doesn’t seem to have any strategy feats listed, it’s all just knowledge and memory stuff. And even if he was smarter Battle IQ-wise, he will leave his arrogance for Asuna to take advantage of if the fight goes on long enough, since he’d be distracted on killing Asuna through brute strength considering there’s not much he can do to her on any layer except physical. Asuna’s superior range would give her even more options strategy-wise if she decides to keep her distance, too

Asuna would probably be surprised by warrane’s burst if the fight goes on too long though, and that would be a possible win-con for warrane (although I’m not aware of the specific abilities that burst gives him) but not only do specific conditions have to met, but it’s only stated they are “Approaching” a Level 2 trigger, not at it. Plus, It’s 7-C keys locked in, anyway.

Basically, Asuna will find a way to win sooner or later, Probably By incap once she finds a way to overwhelm him, or death if she can land a hit on his head, which apparently kills him.

I won’t vote just yet, but definitely leaning Asuna FRA right now Paragraphs go brrrrrrr

 

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He definitely has an AP and durability edge over Asuna (50 kilotons > 15 Kilotons) but it’s nothing that Asuna can’t handle, and She could also close the gap if the fight went on for long enough thanks to Reactive Evolution

Actually, to clarify, 50 Kilotons doesn't really scale to him, since even his amplified Energy Defense could barely block it. As a baseline he scales more to 26 Kilotons off tanking the random event that turned an entire forest to Charcoal. He does also have his own form of mid-battle increases in understanding and application of his abilities, but it's not really a tangible stat increase (especially here, when he's not strictly met with something to adapt to via Energy applications) unless he gets distressed enough to suddenly become a Level 2, which is barred by versus thread rules (since he'd shoot up to Low 6-B in the process)

Additionally, warrane seems to have a superiority complex and is described as being kinda crazy in combat, whereas Asuna, while she very briefly taunts her opponents occasionally even in serious situations, remains level-headed in a fight. If I’m not wrong, warrane would be going all out from the get-go trying to kill Asuna, while Asuna will be alot more careful which will give her an edge.

He's more an extremely ambitious instigator than anything else. He's obsessed with power, but his reaction to someone being stronger/in a better position than him is either taking silly jabs and talking smack (Captain Adam, Blur, General Smith), or just sheer analysis (the thing in the Space between dimensions). He is absolutely one for kill shots though, if he's in a fight he has to have a good reason for the other person to walk out of it

Asuna could also avoid the crazy amount of attacks that warrane could throw at her pretty easily thanks to Danger Sense And Instinctive Action, Even if there’s a lot things she has to avoid, She’s dealt with danmaku-like attacks before thanks to her fight with Kedron

I don't know if I conveyed something on the page poorly, but he doesn't actually have Danmaku. Crunch can cause multiple explosions, but that's more just multiple things proccing it's prerequisites than a bullet swarm (Crunch is far more undodgable for it's own reasons, being a psychic radio wave that just invokes an explosion directly on top of someone and can't be dodged, just resisted)

If warrane tries to attack her on the mental layer, Asuna can resist it thanks to mind manipulation resistance, and also Supernatural Willpower, which is why Asuna isn’t affected by chidori’s time Magic’s memory manipulation also. She can also resist attacks on the spiritual layer thanks to her soul and spirit already being protected by her own mana, and the fact that they can’t be affected whatsoever unless they die.

These two things are actually my primary motivators for going with this, otherwise Warrane would just Crunch her once and she'd die instantly

Asuna can make up new skills and even magic types on the spot to surprise him, and maybe even disable his energy battery if possible.

That's another thing, the battery isn't how he gets his powers, it's how the government contains him in case he decides to get antsy.

She could also use the Playback skill, which can take warrane by surprise. Even though he most likely shouldn’t be affected by the memory manipulation of that skill, I doubt he’ll be able to detect or predict someone coming at him from a higher dimension.

Funnily enough, he's actually directly encountered the first one, and the second one's at least somewhat in his realm of possibilities considering the "space between dimensions". One of the random events Blur made reverted time to cause a massive explosion from all the attacks thrown out in her time stop, and he was able to respond to that pretty readily. Likewise, it's definitely something new to account for, but he'd probably get a grip on the idea that he's being attacked from a new direction, so the surprise advantage is limited

Bonus points if Asuna figures out she can’t kill him due to his Low-Godly regeneration by then, (Which would likely be the case since Asuna would realize that most of her magic types won’t kill him) and traps him in absolute zero prison, where he can’t escape or move an inch, due to ice magic canonically being absolute zero temperature, which warrane doesn’t have any resistance to.

While he hasn't shown off the ability to resist extremely low temperatures yet, he'd definitely have the resilience to not flat out succumb to shock, and an Energy Blast could just free him through causing a blast to negate the temperature change.

Or, if Asuna gets lucky, she’ll strike his whole body, therefore his head, which apparently can’t be regenerated.

It's more a precision thing compounded by the use of Energy hitting on every layer, he's survived blowing himself up with Crunch when significantly weaker, so just enveloping him with a hit that's also not damaging his mind and soul isn't going to cut it

Being aware of the whole battlefield in detail is cool, but he doesn’t seem to have any strategy feats listed, it’s all just knowledge and memory stuff.

The knowledge and memory tidbits are just the most impressive parts, but he does have an idea of how to approach combat too. He's basically the defacto leader of the Wife Beaters (his team name, originally thrown out to mess with Adam but actually messes with General Smith and Xander, apparently) and he throws out a strategy basically every time he evaluates the situation. It's not particularly innovative, and sometimes he does misplay (in Session 7, he underestimated the sheer damaged output of the combined forces that ambushed them and had to revise from "stall them out until we gain an edge" to "nuke one of them as fast as possible), but in general he's rather sound in this regard, informing his teammates what to do in order to assist his Crunch and setting up prerequisites on his own, formulating plans for almost immediate evacuation and dispatch of invisible opponents during Session 4, he's certainly got a mind for a combative approach, it's just not his most standout feats of Intellegence

since he’d be distracted on killing Asuna through brute strength considering there’s not much he can do to her on any layer except physical

There actually is a Mental Layer variant on the Fortified Power Perk (Frozen Mind), so being unable to hit other layers on Triggers he deals with isn't really that far out of his wheelhouse. Keep in mind also that he doesn't specifically choose layers to attack, Energy just hits everything at once, so he's not going to put much thought to it and just keep blasting.

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With all that noted, the biggest thing is indeed the starting range, defaulting at 4 Kilometers. With the default locale being Central Park, there's a ton of cover between Warrane and Asuna which could help him avoid this becoming a sheer carpet bombing fest, but he'd still need to use his options pretty well. Flashstep's one thing, but he has also blown himself up with Energy Attack when he needs a rapid burst of moment, which could also double as a way to cause Random Events and make sure he's able to use the "0" option on that with impunity when he gets into range. If he gets super lucky he could get the one that enhances Shockwaves and launches him for even greater distance, but as the name implies, it's only under rather specific conditions that he can control what Random Events he outputs. He could also invoke Rulebreaker to directly force a Random Event into existence on top of her, which could be any range of an extreme problem.

Even if she tries stalling him out by just moving backwards constantly, that'll eventually flush her into an urban area, where there's a ton of visual cover for Warrane to exploit and let him advance without her always knowing where he is, giving him time to just catch up. Once she's in range, that's when Crunch starts turning the tide, since those are procced by a radio wave on the mental layer that just spawns it on top of her, giving her no option to evade and potentially spawning more random events, which could end the fight outright if it causes something like a Singularity or Air Pressure Increase. Her main choice would be just moving away, but Warrane's Flashstep would let him keep closing the distance on repeat and hammer her down

 

[Rayfire]

I don't know if I conveyed something on the page poorly, but he doesn't actually have Danmaku. Crunch can cause multiple explosions, but that's more just multiple things proccing it's prerequisites than a bullet swarm (Crunch is far more undodgable for it's own reasons, being a psychic radio wave that just invokes an explosion directly on top of someone and can't be dodged, just resisted)

You didn't, i was just using it as an example to show that asuna could dodge crunch's seemingly random attacks, Especially With Danger Sense And Hypermobility at her disposal. She's been shown to dodge attacks that are outright unpredictable before like how crunch does, which is one of the reasons why kedron was so deadly to other newbie adventurers before shizu and asuna came along and smacked him extreme diff

These two things are actually my primary motivators for going with this, otherwise Warrane would just Crunch her once and she'd die instantly

Can't have your main protag dying in chapter 3 amirite

Funnily enough, he's actually directly encountered the first one, and the second one's at least somewhat in his realm of possibilities considering the "space between dimensions". One of the random events Blur made reverted time to cause a massive explosion from all the attacks thrown out in her time stop, and he was able to respond to that pretty readily. Likewise, it's definitely something new to account for, but he'd probably get a grip on the idea that he's being attacked from a new direction, so the surprise advantage is limited

While he hasn't shown off the ability to resist extremely low temperatures yet, he'd definitely have the resilience to not flat out succumb to shock, and an Energy Blast could just free him through causing a blast to negate the temperature change.

Warrane wouldn't even know where asuna went once she uses it, since she literally just disappears from sight into the dimension of time. If asuna has a grip on warrane's capabilities and skill also, she'd most likely use a strategy that would surprise him by taking advantage of the fact he hasnt encountered something as specific as this. You said yourself it'd still be something new to account for. Asuna might pull the same trick she did on chidori and use riftway creation once she enters the real world again, but this time omni-directionally to ensure he can't dodge it, or possibly something completely different if she decides to go a different route and make up a new skill to overwhelm him in another way if that doesnt work. The only reason asuna evaded chidori doing the same thing on her and getting her head burnt off was danger sense

Speaking of which, Ice Magic is straight up absolute-zero. Like, once you're in a large amount of it like absolute zero prison, you literally cannot move or use magic for that matter. Even Chidori, Who is Solar System Level at her full power, conceded to asuna once this happened (Although she was holding back massively and only let herself get trapped in that to gauge asuna's power, since she was curious. Her whole body wasn't frozen either, so if she really wanted to she could have just used magic out of her mouth or something to escape, which i don't think warrane could do unless im wrong again)

It's more a precision thing compounded by the use of Energy hitting on every layer, he's survived blowing himself up with Crunch when significantly weaker, so just enveloping him with a hit that's also not damaging his mind and soul isn't going to cut it

Ah, Ok mb

The knowledge and memory tidbits are just the most impressive parts, but he does have an idea of how to approach combat too. He's basically the defacto leader of the Wife Beaters (his team name, originally thrown out to mess with Adam but actually messes with General Smith and Xander, apparently) and he throws out a strategy basically every time he evaluates the situation. It's not particularly innovative, and sometimes he does misplay (in Session 7, he underestimated the sheer damaged output of the combined forces that ambushed them and had to revise from "stall them out until we gain an edge" to "nuke one of them as fast as possible), but in general he's rather sound in this regard, informing his teammates what to do in order to assist his Crunch and setting up prerequisites on his own, formulating plans for almost immediate evacuation and dispatch of invisible opponents during Session 4, he's certainly got a mind for a combative approach, it's just not his most standout feats of Intellegence

Oh alr, if he's not a complete idiot then in that case he'd avoid getting outsmarted by asuna Battle IQ-wise for a while, although i think once asuna gets a grip on how he fights, she's gonna pull a typical anime 9000 IQ "I deduced all your weaknesses" moment and, once again, use some kind of skill that would counter all his abilities (assuming the fight lasts long enough)

With all that noted, the biggest thing is indeed the starting range, defaulting at 4 Kilometers. With the default locale being Central Park, there's a ton of cover between Warrane and Asuna which could help him avoid this becoming a sheer carpet bombing fest, but he'd still need to use his options pretty well. Flashstep's one thing, but he has also blown himself up with Energy Attack when he needs a rapid burst of moment, which could also double as a way to cause Random Events and make sure he's able to use the "0" option on that with impunity when he gets into range. If he gets super lucky he could get the one that enhances Shockwaves and launches him for even greater distance, but as the name implies, it's only under rather specific conditions that he can control what Random Events he outputs. He could also invoke Rulebreaker to directly force a Random Event into existence on top of her, which could be any range of an extreme problem.

Asuna also has plenty of skills that can match and even surpass flashstep. Turbocharge alone is a 10x Speed Boost according to asuna, meaning she'd just use that and Warrane seemingly wouldnt be able to match it. Another thing to note is that asuna also uses it from the get-go, as she once did against chidori, or just as soon as she's outmatched in terms of speed, which is gonna be really problematic for warrane. Additionally, Asuna, once again, can see the random events coming thanks to her danger sense, meaning she'll just dodge out of the way. Asuna also has a range advantage too if she decides to keep her distance, which is extremely useful considering that random events apparently can only take place within a few kilometres of warrane, while asuna can use magic and even use it to snipe people from dozens of kilometres like she did with kedron

Even if she tries stalling him out by just moving backwards constantly, that'll eventually flush her into an urban area, where there's a ton of visual cover for Warrane to exploit and let him advance without her always knowing where he is, giving him time to just catch up. Once she's in range, that's when Crunch starts turning the tide, since those are procced by a radio wave on the mental layer that just spawns it on top of her, giving her no option to evade and potentially spawning more random events, which could end the fight outright if it causes something like a Singularity or Air Pressure Increase. Her main choice would be just moving away, but Warrane's Flashstep would let him keep closing the distance on repeat and hammer her down

The same goes for asuna with the cover situation once she realizes what warrane is trying to do. And also, Asuna has danger sense once again, which, as i've said earlier, can inform asuna of attacks that she can't see or predict normally, giving her a second or two to dodge, which is more than enough considering she has hypermobility, or, if she happens to not be able to move, can just riftway creation to teleport herself out of there, and potentially out of warrane's range. Asuna once again has Turbocharge and/or Supercharge to overcome and even surpass warrane's flashstep's speed if she gets overwhelmed, and if he did create a singularity or air pressure increase, asuna can negate that with her own magic. (Gravity Magic, AKA Type 1 Spacetime manipulation) she's used it crush books out of existence before, so i think the situation she'd be in would allow her to do something more crazy to counter if that were to happen. Additionally, asuna might get the bright idea to send warrane into his own singularity with riftway creation or telekinesis while thats happening or if she can't stop it, which might do some damage considering that his abilities attack every layer at once, thus harming him, therefore using his own offensive nature against him, and i feel it's also something asuna would think of in the moment as i just did lol

I feel like we're headed for an inconclusive match

 

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You didn't, i was just using it as an example to show that asuna could dodge crunch's seemingly random attacks, Especially With Danger Sense And Hypermobility at her disposal. She's been shown to dodge attacks that are outright unpredictable before like how crunch does, which is one of the reasons why kedron was so deadly to other newbie adventurers before shizu and asuna came along and smacked him extreme diff

Being unpredictable doesn't really matter when it's just flat out thousands of times faster than them by speed equal rules, she could intuit that something's amiss but that's not going to matter if she's within 300 meters and he decides to Crunch, though the latter seems to be getting complicated.

Warrane wouldn't even know where asuna went once she uses it, since she literally just disappears from sight into the dimension of time.

A Trigger's innate existence is already one that involves seeing into multiple planes of existence, and his Extrasensory perception can pick up on things only present in the extremely fundamental Energy layer, so deep that not even Level 2s, capable of accessing the Conceptual Layer and even bypassing cause and effect using it, really interacts with hit (And even a Level 1 like Blur is noted to have a notable affinity with time and space)

Speaking of which, Ice Magic is straight up absolute-zero. Like, once you're in a large amount of it like absolute zero prison, you literally cannot move or use magic for that matter.

It doesn't seem to list power nullification as an ability, and there's no real notable motion that needs to be made in order to do an Energy Blast. Since he doesn't need to aim, he can just project that out of his palms to cause an explosion and get out (which, I should also note he has enough control over his Energy to prevent that from harming him)

although i think once asuna gets a grip on how he fights, she's gonna pull a typical anime 9000 IQ "I deduced all your weaknesses" moment and, once again, use some kind of skill that would counter all his abilities

I'd argue Warrane's more than capable of doing the same, given his performance against the likes of Blur, but you've also got to keep in mind No-Limits Fallacy here. Even in cases where someone can just have whatever power in response to a situation, we can't really assume they can just do anything they want without them displaying a similar capability, or it just gets out of hand and ridiculous. Funnily enough, Warrane could probably pull the very same by managing to learn how to make a Gash for himself, significantly increasing his capabilities and being able to use Rulebreaker to do any Random Event they want, which has pretty endless possibilities given it's just the distortion of physics and reality as a whole.

Additionally, Asuna, once again, can see the random events coming thanks to her danger sense, meaning she'll just dodge out of the way. Asuna also has a range advantage too if she decides to keep her distance, which is extremely useful considering that random events apparently can only take place within a few kilometres of warrane, while asuna can use magic and even use it to snipe people from dozens of kilometres like she did with kedron

Her managing to just dodge out of the way of random events spawning on top of her is definitely going to hit Warrane's notice with his previously mentioned affinity for analysis, so this could quickly become something he uses to his own ends, especially if she's getting these one to two seconds in advance. As long as he's within range (And he could probably just hide among the buildings as she fires off blasts and go into the sewers as she's trying to carpet bomb him to do that without any issues), he could aim a random event behind her, flushing her a way he wants her to go while making it a fakeout (And of course, if she stops taking the bait, he can just alternate and make it a 50/50).

and if he did create a singularity or air pressure increase, asuna can negate that with her own magic. (Gravity Magic, AKA Type 1 Spacetime manipulation) she's used it crush books out of existence before, so i think the situation she'd be in would allow her to do something more crazy to counter if that were to happen.

The Singularities that Warrane can create are on a far, far greater scale. They don't just disintegrate inanimate objects, they outright turn things into Carbon nanolatices from the sheer force ripping them into that kind of shape for over 3 meters of radius (Which is something he can resist and survive). The air pressure increase is similarly noted to be exponential, but it's main benefit is actually less the pressure itself and more the fact it causes explosions to be fed thermobarically, leading to blasts just repeating permanently and pretty much just killing whatever's in it's radius by those means instead.

 

[Rayfire]

Being unpredictable doesn't really matter when it's just flat out thousands of times faster than them by speed equal rules, she could intuit that something's amiss but that's not going to matter if she's within 300 meters and he decides to Crunch, though the latter seems to be getting complicated.

Danger sense also gives asuna which direction to go to dodge. it's not just sensing something is wrong, it's more like total precognition (Which is why it's listed as precognition on her page) so she'll know to dodge automatically if she senses something.

A Trigger's innate existence is already one that involves seeing into multiple planes of existence, and his Extrasensory perception can pick up on things only present in the extremely fundamental Energy layer, so deep that not even Level 2s, capable of accessing the Conceptual Layer and even bypassing cause and effect using it, really interacts with hit (And even a Level 1 like Blur is noted to have a notable affinity with time and space)

Ah, Okay. If that's the case, then asuna probably couldn't take him by surprise, but Playback would still have it's uses if asuna figures that out, like giving asuna time to heal or come up with a plan if need be, especially since they don't seem to actually be able to interact with the 4th dimension at all, meaning warrane can't reach her when she uses it if im not mistaken

It doesn't seem to list power nullification as an ability, and there's no real notable motion that needs to be made in order to do an Energy Blast. Since he doesn't need to aim, he can just project that out of his palms to cause an explosion and get out (which, I should also note he has enough control over his Energy to prevent that from harming him)

You don't need to move to use magic in bakuhatsu, either, and chidori still couldn't use it. (from her hands, that is, since asuna didnt freeze her completely) I didn't add power nullification because i think it's self-explanatory considering ice magic literally, y'know, freezes you anyway and makes you unable to do anything because it's freakin absolute zero temperatures... And also because asuna isn't actually directly preventing them from using powers, it's just that freezing them with ice magic will make it impossible for them to use. basically, It's not a skill that disables powers directly, it's just a byproduct of being frozen.

I'd argue Warrane's more than capable of doing the same, given his performance against the likes of Blur, but you've also got to keep in mind No-Limits Fallacy here. Even in cases where someone can just have whatever power in response to a situation, we can't really assume they can just do anything they want without them displaying a similar capability, or it just gets out of hand and ridiculous. Funnily enough, Warrane could probably pull the very same by managing to learn how to make a Gash for himself, significantly increasing his capabilities and being able to use Rulebreaker to do any Random Event they want, which has pretty endless possibilities given it's just the distortion of physics and reality as a whole.

Yeah, that's true, but i never said something like asuna would be able to suddenly use something as overpowered as causality manipulation or become a god on the spot, that would definitely be NLF, which is not what i want. Even so, asuna can still learn new magic types on the fly like she's done numerous times, which will be pretty much the same considering that magic in bakuhatsu is basically the same thing as warping reality like warrane does, meaning neither would have an edge over the other in this case, since they can apparently both make new abilities in the middle of a fight.

Her managing to just dodge out of the way of random events spawning on top of her is definitely going to hit Warrane's notice with his previously mentioned affinity for analysis, so this could quickly become something he uses to his own ends, especially if she's getting these one to two seconds in advance. As long as he's within range (And he could probably just hide among the buildings as she fires off blasts and go into the sewers as she's trying to carpet bomb him to do that without any issues), he could aim a random event behind her, flushing her a way he wants her to go while making it a fakeout (And of course, if she stops taking the bait, he can just alternate and make it a 50/50).

Asuna probably won't fall for that that easily if the fight gets to that point, meaning he'd likely have to take his chances. Also, if warrane did decide to simply go into the sewers, Asuna will just aim magic at the ground to cause them to collapse in on him to force him to either escape or get crushed, considering that NYC sewers are only a few metres below ground. Even if asuna did find herself in a situation where she couldn't simply dodge out of the way of the random events, or warrane simply tricks her somehow (Like if she tried to follow him into the sewers) She can always use riftways to teleport herself away, or activate turbocharge or supercharge to get enough speed to do so.

Additionally, I thought i should say this, but even if warrane uses the buildings or sewers to hide, asuna can predict the future actions of a golem despite not being able to see it (since it was pitch-black) and also while danger sense wasn't fully developed. She could definitely predict where warrane is and try to take him by surprise. (To clarify, She can't predict his abilities like random events though, as she was surprised by kedron, seemingly a monster, being able to use earth magic, but once again danger sense can save her from taking some unnecesarry hits.)

The Singularities that Warrane can create are on a far, far greater scale. They don't just disintegrate inanimate objects, they outright turn things into Carbon nanolatices from the sheer force ripping them into that kind of shape for over 3 meters of radius (Which is something he can resist and survive). The air pressure increase is similarly noted to be exponential, but it's main benefit is actually less the pressure itself and more the fact it causes explosions to be fed thermobarically, leading to blasts just repeating permanently and pretty much just killing whatever's in it's radius by those means instead.

Even if asuna found herself stuck in the singularity, and getting hit over and over, she can once again teleport herself out of there with riftways or some other skills, especially since the radius is not very big. And even if warranes gravity manipulation is quantifiably stronger (I'm not exactly sure how crushing something in carbon nanolatices and simply crushing them out of exist compare to one another exactly) asuna's is definetely a lot more versatile. She could flip gravity upside down to confuse and disorient warrane, use it to allow herself to (kind of) fly and gain distance, and probably even use it to hold warrane down if im not mistaken, which might give asuna another wincon.

 

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Danger sense also gives asuna which direction to go to dodge. it's not just sensing something is wrong, it's more like total precognition (Which is why it's listed as precognition on her page) so she'll know to dodge automatically if she senses something.

Keep in mind that, in the time it takes for Crunch's effect to sweep it's entire 300 meter radius, she'd be able to move about... 6 centimeters, with her speed amp. Unless she's at the exact edge of the effect when Warrane commits, that can definitely catch her.

especially since they don't seem to actually be able to interact with the 4th dimension at all, meaning warrane can't reach her when she uses it if im not mistaken

Well, in the sense of it just being the dimension of time, he doesn't have things that directly interact with it but there are random events that can mess with it, and Crunch just hits whatever's in his proximity, regardless if they even actually "exist" in a physical sense or not

You don't need to move to use magic in bakuhatsu, either, and chidori still couldn't use it. (from her hands, that is, since asuna didnt freeze her completely) I didn't add power nullification because i think it's self-explanatory considering ice magic literally, y'know, freezes you anyway and makes you unable to do anything because it's freakin absolute zero temperatures... And also because asuna isn't actually directly preventing them from using powers, it's just that freezing them with ice magic will make it impossible for them to use. basically, It's not a skill that disables powers directly, it's just a byproduct of being frozen.

Supernatural powers aren't inherently shut down by things being cold unless heat are an important aspect about them, it's certainly a specific ability. Absolute Zero in particular, as I've come to find is overrated. Compare a cold of -273.15 to a heat of 5,000 degrees Celsius (The temperature of nitroglycerin, I could probably argue that being in the 7-C range implies they'd go up to 15 million as nuclear ordinance does, but this works fine enough and is more the baseline for what we use in explosive substances) and you see a bit of a gap, the main thing that's impressive about AZ is the fact it's impossible in our world due to thermodynamics.

Either way, Warrane does also resist power nullification anyhow, since that is a random event (which are generally something Triggers can withstand) and Blur trying that kind of trick directly on him got nothing

Additionally, I thought i should say this, but even if warrane uses the buildings or sewers to hide, asuna can predict the future actions of a golem despite not being able to see it (since it was pitch-black) and also while danger sense wasn't fully developed. She could definitely predict where warrane is and try to take him by surprise. (To clarify, She can't predict his abilities like random events though, as she was surprised by kedron, seemingly a monster, being able to use earth magic, but once again danger sense can save her from taking some unnecesarry hits.)

Warrane's hearing as a Trigger is more than enough to just hear her heartbeat getting closer (not even accounting for his extrasensory perception), so she can't really pull that trick in reverse successfully without also having to couple with a Crunch blast,

Asuna probably won't fall for that that easily if the fight gets to that point, meaning he'd likely have to take his chances.

Why not? What distinguishes the imminent danger of Warrane deciding to make a Random Event, and deciding to make a Random Event and then against it just as she's started moving to mess with her? When I say 50/50, it's in reference to fighting game terminology (I think, it might just be from nothing but the idea's the same anyways), where someone has to rapidly make a choice between which counter to use against two ways an opponent can attack them. The simple act of not strictly knowing what happens next can certainly trip someone up in the midst of a fight and mess up their ensuing reaction.

Even if asuna found herself stuck in the singularity, and getting hit over and over, she can once again teleport herself out of there with riftways or some other skills, especially since the radius is not very big. And even if warranes gravity manipulation is quantifiably stronger (I'm not exactly sure how crushing something in carbon nanolatices and simply crushing them out of exist compare to one another exactly)

Admittedly it's also very weird reality bending stuff, but I guess here's one way to put it. Nanolattices are structures in which a single unit is 1 to 100 nanometers thick. Turning something into thin air would probably involve it becoming dust particles, which are 5 micrometers thick. 5 micrometers is 5000 nanometers. Essentially, the singularities Warrane can create through Random Events can compress materials into a thousand times thicker the space, across a radius far longer. Xander Phoenix, who had less of a resistance rating than Warrane, withstood this kind of effect outright. Fair enough on the thermobaric blast, but I don't think she'd be able to survive if the Singularity actually landed, especially when you also account for the fact this'd also be hitting her on the mental layer for such a catastrophic degree of damage (Since Energy does that, and every layer is actually made of atoms)

asuna's is definetely a lot more versatile. She could flip gravity upside down to confuse and disorient warrane

Now that I look, in that same fight, Warrane himself pretty much immediately handled the disorientation of having everything in a battlefield, including him, spontaneously teleport around, and that was prior to him getting Clairvoyance (The skill that doubles the rolls he gets for perception, the power is separate), so he's definitely got the ability to adapt to things suddenly changing like that (He did also more recently directly run into an anti-gravity effect directly, but he also almost immediately got hit with the carbonization lightning bolt and just launched into the air, so it's more an indication that it's on his radar than anything else)

and probably even use it to hold warrane down if im not mistaken, which might give asuna another wincon.

The Class G rating seems to be more for her 7-B key, since it references the recoil for those kinds of attacks being that high (apparently? Seems a bit off to me, but I'm not sure how I'd calculate that, so I dunno), the 7-C rating wouldn't really get the same benefit.

 

[Rayfire]

Keep in mind that, in the time it takes for Crunch's effect to sweep its entire 300 meter radius, she'd be able to move about... 6 centimeters, with her speed amp. Unless she's at the exact edge of the effect when Warrane commits, that can definitely catch her.

It says on warranes profile that flashstep only gives him a 5x speed increase, whereas Asuna can improve it hundreds of times over if she wanted to, so I don’t see where the speed problem is coming from. Even if it is that fast, Asuna has plenty of warning time (With Danger Sense backing her up), and given the fact that both are hypersonic+ at base due to the speed equalisation, Asuna has more than enough time to cover the 300m distance to dodge if she wanted to. And even if she can’t move to dodge that fast, she once again has riftways to teleport herself to safety, and Even if she somehow got hit with it, It won’t oneshot her, especially with her type 2 immortality at her disposa, and she’ll know what it does and that warrane can only use it within a certain range, which gives her even more reason to keep her distance and snipe him over and over with superhuman precision. Warrane may be able to hide, but he has to come out at some point, and danger sense will alert asuna if he tries to sneak up on her, anyway.

Warrane's hearing as a Trigger is more than enough to just hear her heartbeat getting closer (not even accounting for his extrasensory perception), so she can't really pull that trick in reverse successfully without also having to couple with a Crunch blast,

Asuna can once again FRA see a crunch coming seconds ahead and dodge it. Also, if that’s the case, then it means both of them can see each other coming to some degree ahead of time, meaning neither of them have an edge again lol (Although Asuna can technically predict exact attacks and movements, while warrane is just knowing where she is at all times)

Why not? What distinguishes the imminent danger of Warrane deciding to make a Random Event, and deciding to make a Random Event and then against it just as she's started moving to mess with her? When I say 50/50, it's in reference to fighting game terminology (I think, it might just be from nothing but the idea's the same anyways), where someone has to rapidly make a choice between which counter to use against two ways an opponent can attack them. The simple act of not strictly knowing what happens next can certainly trip someone up in the midst of a fight and mess up their ensuing reaction.

Regardless of what Warrane decides to do, Asuna will know he’s about to attack and instinctively either dodge or counter in whatever way her gut tells her to. Since once again, Asuna knows how to dodge an incoming attack even if she doesn’t know what it is, like with Kedron. She might not consciously be able to predict Warrane’s attacks, but her danger sense can, So the 50/50 odds of succeeding doesn’t really apply to Asuna.

Admittedly it's also very weird reality bending stuff, but I guess here's one way to put it. Nanolattices are structures in which a single unit is 1 to 100 nanometers thick. Turning something into thin air would probably involve it becoming dust particles, which are 5 micrometers thick. 5 micrometers is 5000 nanometers. Essentially, the singularities Warrane can create through Random Events can compress materials into a thousand times thicker the space, across a radius far longer. Xander Phoenix, who had less of a resistance rating than Warrane, withstood this kind of effect outright. Fair enough on the thermobaric blast, but I don't think she'd be able to survive if the Singularity actually landed, especially when you also account for the fact this'd also be hitting her on the mental layer for such a catastrophic degree of damage (Since Energy does that, and every layer is actually made of atoms)

Maybe, but That’s IF the singularity lands a direct hit on her. It’s not really guaranteed. Asuna is going to keep her distance once she realizes what crunches are, and warrane wouldn’t use the singularity right away anyway to my knowledge And he might be too arrogant to go all out against a 15 year old girl at first lol. Even if he did, the 3 metre radius is very, and I mean VERY small. Warrane would have to get in really close to even have a chance of it landing on Asuna, which is nigh-impossible with the danger sense and also speed boosts of Turbocharge and Supercharge. And like I said before, In a fight, Asuna logically should be able to use gravity magic to an even higher degree, which might be able to match that of the singularity. And even if the singularity landed right on target, Asuna should be able to just heal up. She could use playback if needed, which, if Asuna uses at the right time (e.g in the air, since warrane can’t fly last time I checked, and where crunch couldn’t affect her while in the 4th dimension) could make enough time for. Supernatural Willpower and Mind manipulation resistance would definitely help, too.

Now that I look, in that same fight, Warrane himself pretty much immediately handled the disorientation of having everything in a battlefield, including him, spontaneously teleport around, and that was prior to him getting Clairvoyance (The skill that doubles the rolls he gets for perception, the power is separate), so he's definitely got the ability to adapt to things suddenly changing like that (He did also more recently directly run into an anti-gravity effect directly, but he also almost immediately got hit with the carbonization lightning bolt and just launched into the air, so it's more an indication that it's on his radar than anything else)

That’s true. He wouldn’t be taken off-guard then, But What’s he gonna do if Asuna just… Keeps sending him straight up or something similair? If Asuna intends to kill him (Which she would if he’s trying to kill her or others in order to stop him, and like you said, warrane is one to go for the kill) she could use it to send him to space or something, which would at the very least BFR him. (Dunno if doing that outright kills, though.) Warrane doesn’t have teleportation to counter or anything like that, and his gravity manipulation is limited to the singularity only. Asuna can, once again, do a lot of various creative things to take warrane off-guard, such as this, even without having to make up a new skill. You don’t have to kill to win a matchup.

The Class G rating seems to be more for her 7-B key, since it references the recoil for those kinds of attacks being that high (apparently? Seems a bit off to me, but I'm not sure how I'd calculate that, so I dunno), the 7-C rating wouldn't really get the same benefit.

Using Magic to lift things would obviously be way different than physically lifting it. It’s not explained in the novels yet, but the reason why cities and countries in Bakuhatsu are so huge is because Magic makes building things way faster. Crushing books into nothingness on your first attempt at using gravity magic takes some insane strength and will, too. Dunno where exactly it would scale, but I’m sure it’d be at least close, if not greater than warrane’s own lifting strength. Asuna can go much harder with gravity magic in a fight, too. But even if she can’t restrain Warrane with that, The versatility of gravity magic would still be extremely unpredictable, and Asuna might gain a huge edge eventually, especially considering asuna’s magic outranges anything Warrane has. Asuna could possibly envelop warrane in a bubble of spacetime or something, and he can’t get out, since the singularity can’t really help him if it’s not extremely small, and he’d just get pulled into his own attack anyway. (Although apparently he can resist it) As explained before, Warrane could definitely know where Asuna is at all times, sure, but I don’t think he can predict her exact next moves, unlike Asuna, especially considering how creative she can be with magic.

Asuna definitely has more wincons but I think this might end up inconclusive like I’ve said before. We can vote for good ol’ makima to solo both now if you want, but i don’t mind continuing

 

[DMUA]

It says on warranes profile that flashstep only gives him a 5x speed increase, whereas Asuna can improve it hundreds of times over if she wanted to, so I don’t see where the speed problem is coming from.

Crunch is the Speed of Light, and attack speed stays proportional even with speed equal rules.

Warrane may be able to hide, but he has to come out at some point, and danger sense will alert asuna if he tries to sneak up on her, anyway.

Actually... Thinking about it, at the absolute extreme, he technically doesn't. Self BFR isn't allowed in Versus Threads, and if he can't run away, he can absolutely just wait for far longer than she can. Triggers only really get psychologically disoriented from a lack of sleep and don't need to eat, his Energy regenerates in tandem with his actual body, and he's Immortal in terms of aging. He could absolutely just wait until she either wears herself out from the constant carpet bombing attempts, or physically can't stay conscious due to sleep deprivation.

Also, if that’s the case, then it means both of them can see each other coming to some degree ahead of time, meaning neither of them have an edge again lol

This fight would be horrible to spectate honestly, nobody's hitting nobody for any significant damage and Warrane has to spend like a solid 5 minutes just clearing distance through visual cover abuse before getting like one hit that might be devastating, or it turns into unironic days of Warrane just sitting back and waiting

Maybe, but That’s IF the singularity lands a direct hit on her. It’s not really guaranteed. Asuna is going to keep her distance once she realizes what crunches are, and warrane wouldn’t use the singularity right away anyway to my knowledge And he might be too arrogant to go all out against a 15 year old girl at first lol. Even if he did, the 3 metre radius is very, and I mean VERY small.

I'll admit I mostly threw out "Three meters" because that was the length that Vlad's arm got stretched out to in the process, in text it's 50 meters. Warrane's not arrogant in the sense that he just disregards people less than him, he's just fully confident in his own capabilities and will use that to their fullest to demolish people in his wake. Another thing that came in Session 7 was him throwing down with teenagers, which he was 100% willing to do because he knew they were Triggers and could certainly do a ton of dangerous stuff. The main thing is just that Random Events are something he can only control through a Gash, realistically he's going to have to be constantly rolling on a wheel in order to actually get that or something similarly dangerous, but this fight's going to take forever anyways so it's a possibility to mention (Or this fight goes on long enough that he tarnishes reality enough to actually figure out how to make a Gash, I dunno)

And like I said before, In a fight, Asuna logically should be able to use gravity magic to an even higher degree, which might be able to match that of the singularity.

Not by the feats. The singularity is capable of compressing objects thousands of times further across a larger range, and Warrane's just as prone to learning things on the fly as we've mentioned earlier, so she can't just surpass him either

And even if the singularity landed right on target, Asuna should be able to just heal up. She could use playback if needed, which, if Asuna uses at the right time (e.g in the air, since warrane can’t fly last time I checked, and where crunch couldn’t affect her while in the 4th dimension) could make enough time for. Supernatural Willpower and Mind manipulation resistance would definitely help, too.

I'll admit, I'm realizing I made a bit of an erroneous statement earlier, with Warrane being "used" to not being able to hit specific layers. While it's true that layer specific immunities are something he deals with, he also deals with it by... Energy just being capable of hurting them anyways. As the profile lists, Aisha's False Damage immunity didn't save her from being physically ripped apart when hit with an Energy attack, so those kinds of power perks explicitly don't block just being hit on every layer. Similarly, Warrane's increased mental resilience doesn't really translate into a damage reduction

What that all adds up to is that, while her soul is in general something that's totally impractical to cast a spell against, and while she probably wouldn't just keel over instantly because she does have some degree of protection, this would probably end up being similar to fights with Triggers, where he can indeed harm their souls and minds through just hitting them over and over. And particularly relevantly, Soul damage interferes with the life force of objects and can make them unrepairable to non Triggers, who may be able to heal things on (and can certainly heal themselves) on said spiritual layer

(Also Warrane can jump pretty high and blow himself up for a big jettison, so he can definitely manage that)

But What’s he gonna do if Asuna just… Keeps sending him straight up or something similar?

Resisting the effect given that Xander can do the same with less Resistance and a much worse gravity manipulation, or just firing an explosion at his feet

Using Magic to lift things would obviously be way different than physically lifting it. It’s not explained in the novels yet, but the reason why cities and countries in Bakuhatsu are so huge is because Magic makes building things way faster. Crushing books into nothingness on your first attempt at using gravity magic takes some insane strength and will, too. Dunno where exactly it would scale, but I’m sure it’d be at least close, if not greater than warrane’s own lifting strength. Asuna can go much harder with gravity magic in a fight, too.

The average building is more Class K, and that's assuming you lift every bit of material simultaneously. Something like flattening a rock in your hands is in a similar range, and that's a way more resilient material than paper and leather.

Asuna definitely has more wincons but I think this might end up inconclusive like I’ve said before. We can vote for good ol’ makima to solo both now if you want, but i don’t mind continuing

What I will say is also like, we do kinda need other people to weigh in on this thread

 

[Rayfire]

Crunch is the Speed of Light, and attack speed stays proportional even with speed equal rules.

Im... Pretty sure that's not what it says. "This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc." Speed equalisation means EVERY speed, not just combat/reaction, etc. Even if asuna, for some reason, couldnt move fast enough to avoid it in time, She always has riftways to teleport herself away before he activates it, or just use a skill. Especially considering the fact that Asuna's Turbocharge Skill alone will make her Twice as Fast as Warrane with Flashstep in this case, and he better pray with all his heart if asuna uses supercharge...

Actually... Thinking about it, at the absolute extreme, he technically doesn't. Self BFR isn't allowed in Versus Threads, and if he can't run away, he can absolutely just wait for far longer than she can. Triggers only really get psychologically disoriented from a lack of sleep and don't need to eat, his Energy regenerates in tandem with his actual body, and he's Immortal in terms of aging. He could absolutely just wait until she either wears herself out from the constant carpet bombing attempts, or physically can't stay conscious due to sleep deprivation.

Asuna has skills that probably wouldn't let him hide for very long (Even if she doesn't, she can make one, like X-Ray or sumthin), especially considering that asuna has way better speed amps too, as explained above, meaning he might not even get the opportunity to do that. Even if he did, and we assume asuna can't find him somehow, Asuna could definitely outlast him. Asuna lost almost all her blood and had a huge piece of debris shoved through her chest, and stayed conscious like nothing happened. I'm very sure she could outlast him, Especially With Supernatural Willpower, which warrane doesn't have.

I'll admit I mostly threw out "Three meters" because that was the length that Vlad's arm got stretched out to in the process, in text it's 50 meters. Warrane's not arrogant in the sense that he just disregards people less than him, he's just fully confident in his own capabilities and will use that to their fullest to demolish people in his wake. Another thing that came in Session 7 was him throwing down with teenagers, which he was 100% willing to do because he knew they were Triggers and could certainly do a ton of dangerous stuff. The main thing is just that Random Events are something he can only control through a Gash, realistically he's going to have to be constantly rolling on a wheel in order to actually get that or something similarly dangerous, but this fight's going to take forever anyways so it's a possibility to mention (Or this fight goes on long enough that he tarnishes reality enough to actually figure out how to make a Gash, I dunno)

Oh, i see. Still, asuna is going to keep her distance once she see's what crunches are, and danger sense will alert her of the singularity, anyway, so the possibility of her getting potentially killed by the singularity is nigh-impossible, especially since, as i've mentioned before, asuna can just use a riftway to escape it. Warrane being able to do that IS a possibility, but there is also a possibility of him being unlucky in this sense. Even if that happens, the same thing goes for asuna, especially if none of her current skills work, she's going to be able to improvise something to end the fight first, especially since she has a lot more control over her abilities than warrane, especially since random events, unless he makes a gash (whatever that means) are, well, random.

I'll admit, I'm realizing I made a bit of an erroneous statement earlier, with Warrane being "used" to not being able to hit specific layers. While it's true that layer specific immunities are something he deals with, he also deals with it by... Energy just being capable of hurting them anyways. As the profile lists, Aisha's False Damage immunity didn't save her from being physically ripped apart when hit with an Energy attack, so those kinds of power perks explicitly don't block just being hit on every layer. Similarly, Warrane's increased mental resilience doesn't really translate into a damage reduction

What that all adds up to is that, while her soul is in general something that's totally impractical to cast a spell against, and while she probably wouldn't just keel over instantly because she does have some degree of protection, this would probably end up being similar to fights with Triggers, where he can indeed harm their souls and minds through just hitting them over and over. And particularly relevantly, Soul damage interferes with the life force of objects and can make them unrepairable to non Triggers, who may be able to heal things on (and can certainly heal themselves) on said spiritual layer

That might be possible, But if even all-powerful beings like Jorogumo can't interact with souls unless someone allows her to, (She can allow beings to form contracts with her for immense power in exchange for serving her, and can also create monsters despite being sealed in another dimension) I don't find it hard to believe that asuna would still resist it. Even if she can't, That's all depending on IF warrane can land a hit on her, which is nigh-impossible considering not only danger sense and riftway creation, but also the fact that asuna is faster with turbocharge alone. She's been shown to use it right off the bat before (Chapter 4 Vol 1) So i don't see whats stopping her from doing that and being twice as fast right away, which would make that even harder for warrane to do even if he can affect souls.

The average building is more Class K, and that's assuming you lift every bit of material simultaneously. Something like flattening a rock in your hands is in a similar range, and that's a way more resilient material than paper and leather.

Flattening. Not literally phasing it out of existence with pure strength... Plus, Bakuhatsu is a fantasy world, so asuna crushed one of those Giga-Giga books with, like, 1000 pages.

Even if asuna can't restrain him (Where even if she can't, Reactive Evolution Will Change that around) she still has so many other options, like creating some sort of skill that's unlike anything he's encountered before, and although he can do the same, you said yourself he has less control over his powers than asuna, since he relies on rolls and luck and things like that, so asuna will most likely do that way before he can. Or, since she could probably outlast him, force him to give up, or probably even BFR him with riftways.

 

[Rayfire]

Oh and also, if warrane tries to hide, asuna also has the option of using clone creation to have a way better chance of finding and/or overwhelming him. Warrane might be really confused once he suddenly picks up dozens of people swarming around, so there's that also. So even if warrane manages to get away from her even with speed difference, no new skills will be needed.

 

[DMUA]

Im... Pretty sure that's not what it says. "This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc."

"...Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier." I was actually there for when this particular detail was added to the rules, it came from a lot of confusion involving attack/combat speed dynamics and thus if the speed equal rules would just make characters with guns or similar ways of fighting useless. The ruling was that they should be able to work as normal, without also just dramatically ballooning past what they'd otherwise be.

Asuna has skills that probably wouldn't let him hide for very long (Even if she doesn't, she can make one, like X-Ray or sumthin), especially considering that asuna has way better speed amps too, as explained above, meaning he might not even get the opportunity to do that. Even if he did, and we assume asuna can't find him somehow, Asuna could definitely outlast him. Asuna lost almost all her blood and had a huge piece of debris shoved through her chest, and stayed conscious like nothing happened. I'm very sure she could outlast him, Especially With Supernatural Willpower, which warrane doesn't have.

She hasn't shown the capability to do that, so refer to earlier statements on "yeah they could both just make up new stuff", but he doesn't need to be strictly invisible, he just needs to compound inconveniences to blasting him and leverage his staying power for her to get more worn down than she does. Better speed amps would let her move forward, but that brings her back into a more effective range for Warrane, and that's his goal with taking a less aggressive approach. Triggers also have an insane degree of stamina as well, with being reduced to a near-skeleton being a downright common occurrence, he doesn't really need Willpower to just be capable of lasting basically indefinitely thanks to the fact he doesn't need to sleep or eat, where Willpower just isn't going to magically grant sleep.

Oh, i see. Still, asuna is going to keep her distance once she see's what crunches are, and danger sense will alert her of the singularity, anyway, so the possibility of her getting potentially killed by the singularity is nigh-impossible, especially since, as i've mentioned before, asuna can just use a riftway to escape it. Warrane being able to do that IS a possibility, but there is also a possibility of him being unlucky in this sense. Even if that happens, the same thing goes for asuna, especially if none of her current skills work, she's going to be able to improvise something to end the fight first, especially since she has a lot more control over her abilities than warrane, especially since random events, unless he makes a gash (whatever that means) are, well, random.

His possibility is something already set in stone and known, and it's already clear that he wins this by playing the very long game. Not to mention Triggers just resist a ton of different means of attack in the first place, so she's liable to try throwing something out and still not get a result. Besides, she can't simultaneously close the distance with extreme speed amps and also range spam even if she does use portals, there's going to be a moment where she's either in range, or a long duration where she's just scrambling to find his exact position and try and make sure he can't just Energy Block

That might be possible, But if even all-powerful beings like Jorogumo can't interact with souls unless someone allows her to, (She can allow beings to form contracts with her for immense power in exchange for serving her, and can also create monsters despite being sealed in another dimension)

Warrane just doesn't have the limitation to their capabilities, as he very well can bypass someone explicitly being immune to damage on a specific layer. Unless Jorogumo's capable of the same, Warrane should be capable of just hitting them despite that protection and dealing some amount of damage.

Flattening. Not literally phasing it out of existence with pure strength... Plus, Bakuhatsu is a fantasy world, so asuna crushed one of those Giga-Giga books with, like, 1000 pages.

If it's Existence Erasure, Warrane's also dealt with that (And funnily enough, the radius of this effect was also 50 meters). That's what Gashes are, fields in which the Energy Layer starts overwriting reality and just removes any non-triggers who encounter it from existence. Standing in the middle of that particular effect doesn't faze him in the slightest.

Even if asuna can't restrain him (Where even if she can't, Reactive Evolution Will Change that around) she still has so many other options, like creating some sort of skill that's unlike anything he's encountered before, and although he can do the same, you said yourself he has less control over his powers than asuna, since he relies on rolls and luck and things like that, so asuna will most likely do that way before he can. Or, since she could probably outlast him, force him to give up, or probably even BFR him with riftways.

I didn't say he has less control over his powers, he just doesn't control Random Events specifically save favorable conditions. Power control by itself is one of the things he's incredible at, and he's more than able to apply that in new ways for new results, as his Accelerated Development shows. Versus Thread rules doesn't really allow for surrenders, unless it's through something like mind control that would allow someone to force the opponent to stop fighting and thus incapacitate them indefinitely. BFR has a similar situation, where the opponent has to be unable to return for a prolonged period, and her riftways don't list an extraordinary range that Warrane's incapable of dealing with.

Oh and also, if warrane tries to hide, asuna also has the option of using clone creation to have a way better chance of finding and/or overwhelming him. Warrane might be really confused once he suddenly picks up dozens of people swarming around, so there's that also. So even if warrane manages to get away from her even with speed difference, no new skills will be needed.

That's actually one of the things Warrane counters through Crunch, since it just pings off of everything that hits his pre-requisites. I doubt they're very durable or powerful on their own without some kind of major drawback (Because otherwise cloning is one of the most ridiculous powers possible and you haven't mentioned it as an asset up to this point), so it's just another thing he'd be able to counter and keep this fight dragging.

 

[Rayfire]

"...Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier." I was actually there for when this particular detail was added to the rules, it came from a lot of confusion involving attack/combat speed dynamics and thus if the speed equal rules would just make characters with guns or similar ways of fighting useless. The ruling was that they should be able to work as normal, without also just dramatically ballooning past what they'd otherwise be.

Ah, Okay then. Makes sense. Even so, Asuna’s danger sense means she’s still not gonna get caught in the crunch and hit by it. She has multiple means of dodging out of the way as explained above too if she isn’t fast enough. And the Speed difference with Asuna activating turbocharge alone still can’t be ignored, making landing a clean shot on Asuna even less likely.

She hasn't shown the capability to do that, so refer to earlier statements on "yeah they could both just make up new stuff", but he doesn't need to be strictly invisible, he just needs to compound inconveniences to blasting him and leverage his staying power for her to get more worn down than she does. Better speed amps would let her move forward, but that brings her back into a more effective range for Warrane, and that's his goal with taking a less aggressive approach. Triggers also have an insane degree of stamina as well, with being reduced to a near-skeleton being a downright common occurrence, he doesn't really need Willpower to just be capable of lasting basically indefinitely thanks to the fact he doesn't need to sleep or eat, where Willpower just isn't going to magically grant sleep.

You mentioned earlier that triggers can still become psychologically disoriented without sleep still, so there’s that. It means he’ll probably make a mistake that Asuna will definitely exploit, that is, if he can hide from her at all. Being turned to a near-skeleton is cool, but literally resisting death itself like Asuna can is definitely comparable. So I wouldn’t be surprised if both eventually became disoriented MEANING NEITHER HAVE AN ADVANTAGE AGAIN Although asuna’s willpower will probably let her pull through even then and become psychologically superior that way, especially since triggers don’t have supernatural willpower to boost themselves like asuna does, all they have is just insane stamina, which isn’t infinite in terms of needing sleep apparently, since they can become disoriented without it like you say. Landing a hit on Asuna will be extremely hard for warrane to do with her outranging him by far and also danger sense and riftways, so she won’t be in an injured state like she was with Kedron, making her simply pushing through no-sleep to surpass warrane psychologically even more likely. Supernatural Willpower also makes Asuna way less likely to give up, or at least be psychologically weakened, especially considering that warrane might not be able to keep his sense of purpose if he can’t even land a hit on her.

His possibility is something already set in stone and known, and it's already clear that he wins this by playing the very long game. Not to mention Triggers just resist a ton of different means of attack in the first place, so she's liable to try throwing something out and still not get a result. Besides, she can't simultaneously close the distance with extreme speed amps and also range spam even if she does use portals, there's going to be a moment where she's either in range, or a long duration where she's just scrambling to find his exact position and try and make sure he can't just Energy Block

Asuna Will definitely realize that most of her magic won’t work against warrane pretty early on when she see’s he doesn’t simply die on impact. And Actually, she wouldn’t need to get in close to land a direct hit on anything and risk being in warrane’s range either, since she can snipe with superhuman precision anyway, no close-quarters combat required. Asuna could definitely manage both, which she’s done similarly in the Kedron fight (Dodging Danmaku-Like Earth magic while simultaneously attacking and being able to use magic) And once again, even if she does end up in range, who’s saying she’s still not able to simply get out of the way?

Warrane just doesn't have the limitation to their capabilities, as he very well can bypass someone explicitly being immune to damage on a specific layer. Unless Jorogumo's capable of the same, Warrane should be capable of just hitting them despite that protection and dealing some amount of damage.

That’s definitely the intention with Jorogumo, otherwise she wouldn’t be so extremely dangerous like his she’s described in the novels. She’s kinda supposed to be super haxxy. Besides, if she’s a being on level with the gods, it’s safe to assume that she’d be able to bypass the souls mana protection, especially since demon magic is described as being far more potent than regular magic. (Exact details are unknown since it’s gonna be, like, several volumes before The Holy Legion or literally anyone in the verse gets anywhere close to fighting Jorogumo since she’s in a higher dimension, but you get the point.) And once again, even if we assume that would work, that’s all depending on IF warrane lands a hit on Asuna, which as I’ve explained before is extremely unlikely given danger sense exists, so she won’t get blitzed by the lightspeed crunch, since she’ll be alerted of it and simply get out of it, among other things.

If it's Existence Erasure, Warrane's also dealt with that (And funnily enough, the radius of this effect was also 50 meters). That's what Gashes are, fields in which the Energy Layer starts overwriting reality and just removes any non-triggers who encounter it from existence. Standing in the middle of that particular effect doesn't faze him in the slightest.

Yeah, I saw that, so simply crushing him obviously isn’t going to work, which is why I didn’t mention it, but asuna’s gravity magic versatility shouldn’t be ignored regardless, even if it can’t win her the battle. And if the energy layer once again has a limited range and Asuna happens to be within it, danger sense will once again alert her and she’ll escape. Danger sense is really carrying Asuna lol

I didn't say he has less control over his powers, he just doesn't control Random Events specifically save favorable conditions. Power control by itself is one of the things he's incredible at, and he's more than able to apply that in new ways for new results, as his Accelerated Development shows. Versus Thread rules doesn't really allow for surrenders, unless it's through something like mind control that would allow someone to force the opponent to stop fighting and thus incapacitate them indefinitely. BFR has a similar situation, where the opponent has to be unable to return for a prolonged period, and her riftways don't list an extraordinary range that Warrane's incapable of dealing with.

Oh, in that case I should probably list that as ”Varies with Riftways”, then. (For example she used it to avoid a 2 hour walk back to the capital) Since magic relies partially on imagination to be created, and since this takes place in the real world, which Asuna is familiar with canonically, Asuna could simply envision her home country, Japan, and use it to send warrane there and win via BFR. (I checked and if asuna sent him to osaka for example, that means he now has to travel 12,500 kilometres to get back into the fight) Warrane probably can’t track Asuna then, especially since he doesn’t have any extremely long extrasensory perception range listed, and flashstep is listed on warranes profile as having a range of 350 metres, so that wouldn't help him either. And last i checked, warrane can't run on water or fly to get back. Besides, If Warrane isn't familiar with the real world like asuna is, then how would he even know which direction to go in the first place? Even if he does find a way to get back to NYC, Asuna will either be long gone or she could just pull the same trick twice thanks to her speed amps advantage. Or asuna could possibly even send him into space for an even faster gg. (Feat-wise i think the sending him to space option is a maybe, but Asuna would have a much easier time of envisioning Japan instead of space anyways) I don’t think this is important, but this can also make Asuna immune to BFR (Something I never considered to add on her profile whoops) since she can just teleport back as long as she has a basic idea on where she just was.

That's actually one of the things Warrane counters through Crunch, since it just pings off of everything that hits his pre-requisites. I doubt they're very durable or powerful on their own without some kind of major drawback (Because otherwise cloning is one of the most ridiculous powers possible and you haven't mentioned it as an asset up to this point), so it's just another thing he'd be able to counter and keep this fight dragging.

(Cause I only remembered it in my last reply lol) The clones are just as powerful as Asuna herself, but since Asuna inspired it from Shadow Clone No Jutsu (Weeb girl go brrrrrr) They are only temporary, especially since it’d require focus to use. They might as well be, anyway, otherwise Asuna is gonna be taking a lot less L’s than she’s going to in the novels if it wasn’t nerfed, and also because that would be NLF. Still, it’d be nothing short of a problem for warrane if he now has to fight 10-20 of her, even if it’s for a short period, (30-40 Seconds) which will give Asuna a good opportunity to end the fight through one of her wincons.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

All the replies in this are massive

 

[Rayfire]

All the replies in this are massive

Yeah lol

But Basically, Asuna definitely has more wincons and can definetely outmanoeuvre and maybe outlast warrant too considering she’s twice as fast as him with all his speed amps with just one of her own, and once she see’s what crunches are she will keep her distance and snipe him over and over over (cause superhuman precision) and sooner or later get the opportunity to BFR or Incap him with one her current skills or an improvised one, But if DMUA shows that warrane can come back from those then this is gonna be incon cause warrane can’t hit Asuna, and Asuna can’t hurt him physically because he’ll just regenerate. Waiting for him to reply on that, but I’m still obviously hoping for Asuna W I don’t mind incon though

 

[DMUA]

Ah, Okay then. Makes sense. Even so, Asuna’s danger sense means she’s still not gonna get caught in the crunch and hit by it. She has multiple means of dodging out of the way as explained above too if she isn’t fast enough. And the Speed difference with Asuna activating turbocharge alone still can’t be ignored, making landing a clean shot on Asuna even less likely.

All she needs is to step within 300 meters once, and need to cross more than that minute distance for it to work. Including when she's unable to keep going on account of exhaustion.

You mentioned earlier that triggers can still become psychologically disoriented without sleep still, so there’s that. It means he’ll probably make a mistake that Asuna will definitely exploit, that is, if he can hide from her at all.

That's more a matter of the human mind being wired around a reset on their 24 hour sleep schedule. Removing that just causes everything to start bleeding together, making each day indistinguishable from the last, it's not something that strictly degrades function, and definitely not to a degree comparable to Asuna having to also deal with the exhaustion and her nervous system wearing down from the lack of rest.

Being turned to a near-skeleton is cool, but literally resisting death itself like Asuna can is definitely comparable. So I wouldn’t be surprised if both eventually became disoriented MEANING NEITHER HAVE AN ADVANTAGE AGAIN Although asuna’s willpower will probably let her pull through even then and become psychologically superior that way, especially since triggers don’t have supernatural willpower to boost themselves like asuna does, all they have is just insane stamina, which isn’t infinite in terms of needing sleep apparently, since they can become disoriented without it like you say.

The main reason they don't have infinite stamina is that they are noted to get strained from continuous energy use, but all they really need to do in order to recover from that is just use Energy less over a prolonged period (not even be inactive persey, given Silas "resting" by being at an amusement park for 14 hours straight, and Xander and Warrane collaborating to make the mother of all mancaves in what might have still involved a little bit of Energy use, given the former's specialized in Trigger tech). Triggers lacking Supernatural Willpower in this comparison really is more like, an effects vs mechanics argument, both of them are ultimately accomplishing the same thing, Triggers just don't achieve it through their willpower having Supernatural capabilities as opposed to their physiological quirks.

Landing a hit on Asuna will be extremely hard for warrane to do with her outranging him by far and also danger sense and riftways, so she won’t be in an injured state like she was with Kedron, making her simply pushing through no-sleep to surpass warrane psychologically even more likely. Supernatural Willpower also makes Asuna way less likely to give up, or at least be psychologically weakened, especially considering that warrane might not be able to keep his sense of purpose if he can’t even land a hit on her.

It's not like he's going to forget he's in a fight given this is a versus thread and he has Photographic Memory, and he's got a lot less going against him when fighting with no sleep. The gap's small between them, but time is all he needs to compound it until she's just unable to use her abilities to the fullest, and eventually retain consciousness at all.

And Actually, she wouldn’t need to get in close to land a direct hit on anything and risk being in warrane’s range either, since she can snipe with superhuman precision anyway, no close-quarters combat required.

It'd be kilometers of visual obscurement that she'd have to aim across, it's a bit more of a complication than just something being extremely small across the horizon as her expertise seems to note. Energy Block and his Regeneration could mitigate that further.

Asuna could definitely manage both, which she’s done similarly in the Kedron fight (Dodging Danmaku-Like Earth magic while simultaneously attacking and being able to use magic) And once again, even if she does end up in range, who’s saying she’s still not able to simply get out of the way?

Dodging attacks and returning fire isn't the same thing as having to move in two directions nearly simultaneously in order to reliably keep a bead and not stay in his range. Crunch's the speed of light and Random Events just happen on top of her, both are liable to have the potential to work.

That’s definitely the intention with Jorogumo, otherwise she wouldn’t be so extremely dangerous like his she’s described in the novels. She’s kinda supposed to be super haxxy. Besides, if she’s a being on level with the gods, it’s safe to assume that she’d be able to bypass the souls mana protection, especially since demon magic is described as being far more potent than regular magic. (Exact details are unknown since it’s gonna be, like, several volumes before The Holy Legion or literally anyone in the verse gets anywhere close to fighting Jorogumo since she’s in a higher dimension, but you get the point.)

Being "super haxxy" doesn't strictly mean they possess the specific ability to negate an otherwise invulnerable defense, rather than possessing a high quantity of extremely effective means of just killing people and making it seem to not matter whether he can rip out their souls or not specifically. Them being unable to get around this specific protection just seems to suggest it's a thing they lack, where Triggers don't. It's kinda the nature of two different settings interacting.

Oh, in that case I should probably list that as ”Varies with Riftways”, then. (For example she used it to avoid a 2 hour walk back to the capital) Since magic relies partially on imagination to be created, and since this takes place in the real world, which Asuna is familiar with canonically, Asuna could simply envision her home country, Japan, and use it to send warrane there and win via BFR. (I checked and if asuna sent him to osaka for example, that means he now has to travel 12,500 kilometres to get back into the fight)

He can travel at 6 Kilometers per second via just basic movement alone, he'd be back in a little over half an hour even without Flashstep.

Warrane probably can’t track Asuna then, especially since he doesn’t have any extremely long extrasensory perception range listed

Would it really count as a victory by removing an opponent from the battlefield if they also just proceed to leave before the time count's done? I don't think there's been a ruling on it, but I doubt that's how things would be treated if I were to ask.

and flashstep is listed on warranes profile as having a range of 350 metres, so that wouldn't help him either.

Flashstep's range is more that low in terms of active combat against opponents that are also on his level of incredible speed, than a limitation to how he can travel with it. His movement speed in a fight is treated as 70 meters per second despite even the slowest Triggers exceeding any form of human transportation, including plenty of supersonic jets and the X-43A.

And last i checked, warrane can't run on water or fly to get back.

You only need to move at 30 meters per second to run on water, and Triggers are capable of climbing up completely smooth surfaces with their level of agility. Doesn't strictly need to even move on it's surface either, given he doesn't need to breathe and could just run across the ocean's surface to come back to the fight hidden again.

Besides, If Warrane isn't familiar with the real world like asuna is, then how would he even know which direction to go in the first place?

He is, Valhalla takes place on an altered Earth

Or asuna could possibly even send him into space for an even faster gg. (Feat-wise i think the sending him to space option is a maybe, but Asuna would have a much easier time of envisioning Japan instead of space anyways)

Even then you'd have to define where in "space", because that's such a nebulous idea as a locale.

(Cause I only remembered it in my last reply lol) The clones are just as powerful as Asuna herself, but since Asuna inspired it from Shadow Clone No Jutsu (Weeb girl go brrrrrr) They are only temporary, especially since it’d require focus to use. They might as well be, anyway, otherwise Asuna is gonna be taking a lot less L’s than she’s going to in the novels if it wasn’t nerfed, and also because that would be NLF. Still, it’d be nothing short of a problem for warrane if he now has to fight 10-20 of her, even if it’s for a short period, (30-40 Seconds) which will give Asuna a good opportunity to end the fight through one of her wincons.

He definitely has means of breaking her focus by just getting aggressive and trying to hit her with a Random Event or Crunch, so that's another way he could neutralize it.

 

[Rayfire]

All she needs is to step within 300 meters once, and need to cross more than that minute distance for it to work. Including when she's unable to keep going on account of exhaustion.

For the millionth time, danger sense will alert asuna before she gets blitzed by its light-speed attack speed. She can basically read all of warrane's attacks like a book, and so, she has plenty of warning time to move out of the way, and even knows what actions to take to dodge it. Even without any speed amps, and even if she only heeds the warning with 0.1 seconds left to dodge, she’d still be able to move 343 metres assuming it’s bare minimum hypersonic+. Way more than enough. And like I’ve said before, she’ll immediately adapt and change strategies once she see’s this, especially with Genius Battle IQ and reactive evolution. And It's very unlikely, if not outright impossible for asuna to get exhausted before warrane for reasons below this.

That's more a matter of the human mind being wired around a reset on their 24 hour sleep schedule. Removing that just causes everything to start bleeding together, making each day indistinguishable from the last, it's not something that strictly degrades function, and definitely not to a degree comparable to Asuna having to also deal with the exhaustion and her nervous system wearing down from the lack of rest.

The main reason they don't have infinite stamina is that they are noted to get strained from continuous energy use, but all they really need to do in order to recover from that is just use Energy less over a prolonged period (not even be inactive persey, given Silas "resting" by being at an amusement park for 14 hours straight, and Xander and Warrane collaborating to make the mother of all mancaves in what might have still involved a little bit of Energy use, given the former's specialized in Trigger tech). Triggers lacking Supernatural Willpower in this comparison really is more like, an effects vs mechanics argument, both of them are ultimately accomplishing the same thing, Triggers just don't achieve it through their willpower having Supernatural capabilities as opposed to their physiological quirks.

Asuna basically had her nervous system destroyed as a result of taking a hit for shizu as well, (kedron fight) since it's spread through a humans entire body. (Including spine and nerves which definitely also got destroyed) So Asuna didn't just survive getting her organs obliterated logically too. And even when that happened, she kept fighting like nothing happened at all. Im pretty sure getting your nervous system destroyed, or at the very least sent into a freakin frenzy, and acting like nothing happened is way more damaging than having it get worn out. So logically, Asuna is definitely not going to be outlasted that way.

If they use energy less, then that will just leave warrane more vulnerable. That means he can't use energy shields or weave and dodge as much, either. Asuna has never been shown to get strained from continuous magic use, for example, either, and neither has anyone else in the novels, since it's basically imagination manifestation, not much stamina needed. So warrane is basically relying on limited time, whilst asuna isnt. That combined with her shown endurance above means that asuna will definitely be able to fight for as long she needs to, especially since you've said yourself he will get strained and fight less effectively as a result, whereas asuna most likely won't. She's not gonna let him rest to get that energy back, either.

And on the topic of warrane trying to hide, wouldn’t it be pretty out of character for him to do that? You’ve said yourself that he’s one to go for the kill, and his profile literally says: “Warrane is obsessive over his level of power, wishing to exercise and enhance his use of energy as much as he possibly can, stepping over his allies if needed. He also bears a degree of arrogance that causes him to flaunt his capabilities and go into risky situations he could otherwise avoid.” I seriously doubt he’d want to do that now that it’s come to my mind, which gives Asuna, once again, even more opportunities to win via one of her wincons, or if not, allow her to adapt to him way more easily since he’s going all out, which is gonna drain him of his energy and require rest like you’ve said, which Asuna isn’t going to give to him as I’ve said above

Dodging attacks and returning fire isn't the same thing as having to move in two directions nearly simultaneously in order to reliably keep a bead and not stay in his range. Crunch's the speed of light and Random Events just happen on top of her, both are liable to have the potential to work.

...She could move Backwards. Her attacking and dodging at the same time isnt required, either, she can play defensively at times if for some reason she is forced to get relatively close, and even then, with turbocharge alone she is twice as fast as his reaction speed (or ten times if he doesnt use flashstep) and thats not including supercharge, which is a 100x boost. He wouldn't even get a chance to use crunches if that happens. Crunch may be lightspeed, but all of his other speeds, including reaction and perception, sure isn't. So he won't even be able to push the button in time to hit asuna even if we took away that danger sense of hers. It might make Asuna lose her bead on him, sure, but she’ll definitely be able to just locate him and continue the fight.

He can travel at 6 Kilometers per second via just basic movement alone, he'd be back in a little over half an hour even without Flashstep.

He is, Valhalla takes place on an altered Earth

Keyword: Altered. I don't know exact details obviously, but hows he going to direct himself back to NYC without a compass or prior knowledge? If by altered, you mean like different countries and cities and stuff, then i don't see how he's getting to NYC from Japan, which is a place he might have not been to before. You can't just figure out where you want to go if you dont have any sense of direction either. Still, if he can come back even then, asuna simply sending him to space or maybe even the moon still isnt out of the question considering the nature of magic in bakuhatsu, (About envisioning space, asuna could simply envision viewing earth from space like on the ISS, and send him there) and the fact that asuna is definitely willing to kill or go to extreme measures if necesarry, especially if the person is a killer like warrane. the only reason she hasn't gone to space or tried to send chidori there is, 1, She doesn't currently need to go to space (She will later on tho, thats the plan at least), and 2: If she did that to chidori, then she wouldn't get kiannas sword back, which was why she fought her in the first place. (She wouldn't have known chidori would have came back though, but you get the point. If she has no reason to NOT send warrane to space, then she'll do it when she see's she can't beat him by killing him with Explosion or Thunder magic and the like, at least until she makes a skill that can bypass that, but she'll probably try this first)

It would also mean warrane would have no hope of coming back regardless of how deep into space he is, since he hasn't been shown to survive a vacuum (To my knowledge) and he doesnt have things like "Spaceflight" or "Resistance to cosmic radiation" listed either. So if that happens, he's screwed even if he doesn't die from it, so basically, he’d have no hope of returning once that happens.

He definitely has means of breaking her focus by just getting aggressive and trying to hit her with a Random Event or Crunch, so that's another way he could neutralize it.

Asuna hasn't broken her focus before, even against enemies where she had little time to think or otherwise do so. Plus, she'd be expecting it anyway, especially once she learns his moveset and his range. Even if she did have her focus broken somehow, Chidori has stated that if at least 2 of 3 magic factors are not disturbed (those being willpower, mind, and condition), one can still use magic effectively (Vol 1 Chapter 5) which was also shown in the kedron fight (Asuna still being able to fight and use magic despite grevious injuries) so asuna's willpower alone will ensure magic will still work, and that goes for the clones too. And even if warrane disrupts that by somehow injuring asuna to the point where she could die alongside disrupting her focus (Nigh-Impossible since warrane is very unlikely to even land a hit on her for many reasons above, and also that Asuna would be extremely difficult to fatally wound in the first place) Asuna can use playback or riftways to temporarily escape and quickly heal herself and drop back in a couple seconds later, good as new.

 

[Rayfire]

he can rip out their souls or not specifically.

Jorogumo is a she I'm calling the pronoun police

 

[Rayfire]

Since DMUA hasn’t responded in over 3 days without any explanation, I’m going to be voting Asuna FRA

 

[Javenplayz253]

Totally not Megumin fra

 

[Rayfire]

Totally not Megumin fra

SHE IS NOT MEGUMIN SHUT UP AAAAAAA

 

[Rayfire]

1 more vote needed

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Asuna FRA

 

[Rayfire]

Asuna FRA

Aaaand Thats grace

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Megumin FRA so this can be added

 

[Rayfire]

Megumin FRA so this can be added

Coolio thanks

 

[Rayfire]

Match added to both profiles

 

[Javenplayz253]

Coolio thanks

MF(RICKER) I REALIZED YOU STOLE MY CATCHPHRASE-

 

[Rayfire]

MF(RICKER) I REALIZED YOU STOLE MY CATCHPHRASE-

Huh? Wym

 

[Javenplayz253]

Huh? Wym

I USUALLY SAY COOLIO!

 

[Rayfire]

I USUALLY SAY COOLIO!

Oh, didn’t know that tbh lol