That's just Street.
That's just Street x2.
Breaking a bone is just 375 Joules (Street). There is a high ball of 9920 Joules, but I'm sure we never use it because it requires the bone to be broken in a specific way.
The Walking Dead TV Universe uses the high-end Street+ value for bone breaking for its characters due to breaking someone’s arm, breaking someone’s neck, and crushing a skull.
That just means the TWD verse has the wrong scale.
Can you look at the other argument that was said?
Makes sense, agreed
9920 Joules is the energy needed to break a bone when the force is applied at more than 50 degrees from the orientation of the collagen fibers, that is something very specific. So, I still feel unsure about the 9-C+.
The force would be applied perpendicularly I think unless you assume he just snapped it at the joint. The study also used an old woman, Michael does this to grown men so more support for the higher end.
What I mean is that it's a very specific angle. You'd have to prove that Michael applied the force more than 50 degrees from the orientation of the collagen fibers. I have no problem with Michael scaling above the 375 joules value, but the high end comes from a very specific angle of attack.
The high end depends on the angle at which the force is applied, it has nothing to do with the age of the person whose bones are broken. So no.
The fact that Sartain has the time to say a sentence and Allyson has the time to scream before the car hits Michael is a good indicator of how fast the car was going. Unless Sartain can say an entire sentence in a fraction of a second.
Scan? If we have a known speed figure, we would simply do the calculation using 30 mph. Since the car accelerated but we don't know how much, Michael would simply scale above whatever result we get using 30 mph. It is the best option instead of assuming baseless values.
It's not a very specific angle. Anything over 50 and peaking around a perpendicular force. Myers rips his arm the opposite direction which would be roughly perpendicular. You can grab your own wrist irl and push it backwards to see the direction of force relative to bone.
Men have denser, stronger bones, and people get weaker as they age. This is why old people often are incapacitated when they fall over and often die, but young people just tank that. Breaking a man's bone with a perpendicular force will obviously require more power than breaking an old woman's bone.
Like I said it's cinematics, they give Sartain the line to foreshadow him being evil and Allyson because she's a scared teenager. I personally find this stuff nitpicky, but You can take the novelization which doesn't have the dialogue beyond Hawkins spotting him if it's really disqualifying in your eyes.
30 mph is a normal driving speed in American neighborhoods and he has several seconds to accelerate before impact. If you've driven a car and floor the accelerator, you'll hit 60 in seconds with an average can. 30 mph wouldn't be the safest option since that's how fast people normally drive in those areas, not how fast a cop is gonna drive flooring a car to defeat a seria killer.
Indeed since there would be not just the driver, but Allyson, Sartain, and the steel partition.
Doesn’t the higher the weight make the value lower instead of higher?
It doesn't. Using the weight of a Chevrolet Tahoe and taking into account the weight of Allyson, Sartain, and Hawkins, the car would only have to be going around 40 mph, more than reasonable imo, for the feat to be baseline 9-B. Could be lower since the steel partition could add a hundred or so lb.
I’m pretty sure that’s a 2003 Ford Crown Victoria
We used slightly different masses - I think mine came out to 2,813 kg, but the partition should make up for it. Skimming online sources, they're anywhere from 65 to 135 lb. Myers can be restored to his former 9-B glory.
The one I found is about 40.82 kg
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So the car used is a 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe PPV which as a 0-60 rating of 8.66 seconds or roughly 6.9 MPH gained for every second of acceleration. From what I see the scene from him speeding up to hitting Michael is only 4 seconds and the car stops rather quickly.
It only takes him around 5.8 seconds to actually hit Michael which should round up to around 17.89 m/s or 40.01 mph.
He was already driving at a decent pace when he started accelerating. It's a reasonable assumption to say he was going at a typical neighborhood speed of 30 mph prior so it'd be 57 mph
Ok. So total weight should be 54 kg (Allyson) + 80(2) kg + 2505 kg + 34 kg (Front bumper) + 40 kg for 2,753 kg. It's splitting hairs at this point since the car should have been going 50-60 mphThe one I found is about 40.82 kg
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Also the car’s weight varies between 5,265 to 5,524 lbs which average is 5,394.5 lbs or 2,446.90404 kg. (I used the wrong model before)
So let's say the car was going 25 mph (average suburb speed) before it accelerated towards Michael. HorrorHistory said the car accelerated for 5.8 seconds, Qawsedf234 said 4 seconds, I'll just do 2 ends to keep things simple.
The novel says Hawkin hit the breaks at the last instant for fear of traumatizing Allyson. The lower end should probably be used.
I can make a blog, unless someone else wants to do it.
Well we can just math it as well
So the bulk of US vehicles have a 60-0 breaking distance of 120-140 feet. If the car is going 51 MPH and he slammed on his breaks "at the last second" then you'd just need to find the distance between the car and Michael one second before impact. Then you can take that percentage and multiply it against the car.
You can hear him brake in the film if you wanna try and estimate a distance, I’m pretty sure. Seems like the value’s gonna be around baseline 9-B.
i agree
You can hear him brake at like 10 ft away in the film
Yeah, I personally am fine with this calc & Wall level Michael
