Virgo Shaka vs Uriel

[PainKiller07]

Stats amping doesn't seem useful here since i'm talking about how Shaka would be able to affect 3 seperate realms/ dimensions so the only effect here is to evade Uriel's attacks. Uriel also has body of collossal mass which passively emits things that turn anything nearby into Nothing, shaka's lowgodly regen may bypass that tho.

RE probably going to help, if shaka manage to adapt uriel's cross-dimensional strikes. What are some feats of this ability tho?( skills it have sucessfully adapted)

 

[StekFence]

What are some feats of this ability tho?( skills it have sucessfully adapted)

Well, it makes it so techniques u have alr taken(and similar ones) arent as effective, or just dont work the next times, its given ikki reistence to dimensional bfr, given cold resist, etc. It should generally work on anything of the same dimensionality

 

[Rabbit2002]

Void Manip or EE could not work on Athena's Saint since they got Athena's blood which can help them resist many hax such as EE or Void manip, space-time manip, etc and grant them Acausal type 4

 

[Hasty12345]

Athena's blood which can help them resist many hax such as EE or Void manip, space-time manip, etc and grant them Acausal type 4

Shaka would not have Athena's blood iirc

 

[PainKiller07]

It should generally work on anything of the same dimensionality

welp i find this a little bit nlf somehow. But as the feats has shown, it would likely able to adapt cross-dimensional attacks. But then it still have to bypass dispel bounds which prevent soul-contact abilities since it prevent opponent from interacting with the user's Astral body ( aka the soul/ mind), as i've mentioned from the start.

Void Manip or EE could not work on Athena's Saint since they got Athena's blood which can help them resist many hax such as EE or Void manip, space-time manip, etc and grant them Acausal type 4

EE/Void manip : Dispel bounds grant you resistances to those( they protect eternal atoms which when get destroyed, the user get erased from existence and we also saw high-ranked angels such as Micheal or Gabriel being unharmed standing near Uriel's Body of Colossal mass)

Resistance to space-time manips and Acau4 is literally what the Astral Body grants you, angels had also showed in many occasions the ability to be free from the time-flow ( being near black abyss, resisted temporal time stop, porno almost immune to various of DS's spells of which include time-space bending magic,...)

And they all just kill each others casually

 

[PainKiller07]

and for range i don't think it'll be that big of an issue. His Astral Projection can use all his techniques such as Tenbu Horin which creates a universe sized pocket reality that engulfs both Shaka and the victim. This is where the 5 senses can be removed. Also removal of the 5 senses is different than having them destroyed/damaged. There is other characters that do the same via destroying/damaging the nerves in the body but Shaka's not doing that. weird concept though in the series.

now i'm think about it how can this feat be in his 3-C key, i even checked his profile and it also says that creation skill is in his low 2-C key ( i assume you're talking about this)

so no more 5-sense stripping, not a big problem since even if he has it wouldn't matter for it not being able to affect inter-dimensionally anyway( explainations above)

 

[StekFence]

assume you're talking about this)

Its the same key. Its weird, but he ranges from tier 3 to tier 2 as he powers up. The only difference is Ap,dura, and speed

 

[PainKiller07]

welp is that so,
well then for the time being, still i'm leaning on Uriel abit more but it looks like as the battle gets longer, Shaka may adapt Uriel's abilities to damage himself but again, that regenative capability of The Seraph is really troublesome. So +1 inconclusive i guess

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

well it seems inevitable i guess. How does that law-thing work to be exact? From what I've grasped on the profiles Hades' realm kinda a place when you get banished from Wheel of Samsara which is the cycle of reincarnation, also The world of Emptiness is an emptiness( without space) where time does not exist( without time) so I can assume that being removed from Wheel of Samara( and gone to WOE) is somewhat similar to being exinguished from Causality (The law of cause and effect itself) - since ''Causality'' by definition governs both time and space as two of its aspects(events happen base on causality).

And Uriel still managed to comeback from a similar situation( EA get destroyed = vanished from the law of cause and effects)

This isn't exactly what the wheel of Samsara is. Samsara is about your physical energy called "Karma" being reincarnated through multiple realms. only Karma though not a soul or anything else.

Last confirmation: Specifically, what does that mind hax have. Because if it's some sort of mental/ mind destruction then Uriel may endure the effect via his regenerative capability

its both mind and soul possession at the same time because the UW is a spiritual plane of existence. it doesn't kill though just takes over a persons existence.

Uriel's wincon is quite simple tho, he has low-godly regen neg( angels/ demons are capable of killing each other) and with the capability of affecting astral bodies(angels)- which is 1-level "more incoporeal" than usual intangible beings since DS's Black Sabbath could cancel out Ede (i thought he was called the lich lol) magic which is literally the emission of souls he has absorbed previously, while it couldn't affect the astral part of Ede. So uriel's NPI is potent enough to interact with Shaka

Some of the abilities that you mentioned aren't on Uriel's profile...

But haven't i already said that Uriel should be able to resist bfr since DS didn't use Black Sabbath- which bfr the victim to a different dimension when fighting him( considering the fact that DS is somewhat a genius combatant, like he wouldn't just spam his skills for nothing and instead start out with normal magics in order to ''probe'' his opponent PL most of the time + he is the greatest magician who had over 400 years of experience and even combat with countless astral beings( angels/ demons) and even faced with high-level ones( such as Konron, Porno) before matching Fallen Uriel.

resistance to BFR isn't on his profile, but Shaka isn't just BFR'ing his physical body. He is also BFR'ing his soul.

Ohh i see what incap means now( new to this site srry). Ok but Majin DS 5 basic senses is atleast 10k times that of a ordinary human and Uriel definitely match him( he literally punched him right there lol)

This won't stop the removal of the 5 senses and this also sounds like enhanced senses. not resistance to removal of 5 senes.

Seriously wut these have anything to do with interacting 3 different realms/ dimensions/ planes of existence at the same time that Eternal Atom reside in? Universal range =/= inter-dimensional

The Underworld is a Spiritual Realm only, only spirits can enter into it but if you have the 8th sense the physical body and the soul can enter.

The Underworld also houses the "Dream realm" the realm where peoples dreams reside so sort of a mental plane.

Shaka can enter into the UW and even affect it from the living world.

How far does the cosmo barrier work.

Its only around Shakas body

Also as I've said, we seem to have ignored Uriel's wincon and the fact that his true essence reside in a different plane of existence

This doesn't sound like a wincon... It sounds like Uriel is just going to die and keep reviving... In which Case Uriel has no possible way to kill or incap shaka other than just keep reviving until someone runs out of stamina.

now i'm think about it how can this feat be in his 3-C key, i even checked his profile and it also says that creation skill is in his low 2-C key ( i assume you're talking about this)

It makes no sense to me either and i tried to argue you it on a past thread... didn't work..

 

[Rabbit2002]

welp is that so,
well then for the time being, still i'm leaning on Uriel abit more but it looks like as the battle gets longer, Shaka may adapt Uriel's abilities to damage himself but again, that regenative capability of The Seraph is really troublesome. So +1 inconclusive i guess

I don't think it will incon i guess, but you right it will get longer

Some of the abilities that you mentioned aren't on Uriel's profile...

Because the verse has been outdated for a long time so some abilities is not listed in the profile. Besides, the author seem like drop the manga for a long time like our ND manga

 

[PainKiller07]

The Underworld is a Spiritual Realm only, only spirits can enter into it but if you have the 8th sense the physical body and the soul can enter.

The Underworld also houses the "Dream realm" the realm where peoples dreams reside so sort of a mental plane.

Shaka can enter into the UW and even affect it from the living world.

its both mind and soul possession at the same time because the UW is a spiritual plane of existence. it doesn't kill though just takes over a persons existence.

This isn't exactly what the wheel of Samsara is. Samsara is about your physical energy called "Karma" being reincarnated through multiple realms. only Karma though not a soul or anything else.

I see... and yes me seems misunderstood about enhanced senses stuffs. If Shaka can affect the Under world(seems to be both Spiritual and Mental Plane) from the normal universe then it would be enough to bfr Uriel's mind i guess(scans for this inter-dimensional range if you don't mind)

This doesn't sound like a wincon... It sounds like Uriel is just going to die and keep reviving... In which Case Uriel has no possible way to kill or incap shaka other than just keep reviving until someone runs out of stamina.

dude I intentionally seperated the two parts cuz I didn't know if he could attacks different planes of existence. Also Augoeides form can manipulate the infinite energy of universe so technically their stamina is limitless

Some of the abilities that you mentioned aren't on Uriel's profile...

resistance to BFR isn't on his profile,

well i've already said that bastard!! profiles are kinda old now and some specific verse-terms clarifications are needed. I got the scans and made myself clear anyway, does this match limit to only the feats listed on Uriel's profile?

It makes no sense to me either and i tried to argue you it on a past thread... didn't work..

welp i guess claiming from others reliable mem such as Fence would fine then

 

[Rabbit2002]

bump

 

[PainKiller07]

btw, i'm kinda wonder cuz i find Shaka somewhat smurfy
He bfr to The Underworld which is govern by Hades according to @StekFence and causes 2-C law/ mind manip and other stuffs since it is done by Hades himself whose those hax's potency should be atleast Low Multiversal for affecting similarly powerful beings and even got a 2-A upgrade on most of his passive Sword's abilities which includes TU's bfr & law manipulation if i'm not mistaken

 

[Rabbit2002]

btw, i'm kinda wonder cuz i find Shaka somewhat smurfy
He bfr to The Underworld which is govern by Hades according to @StekFence and causes 2-C law/ mind manip and other stuffs since it is done by Hades himself whose those hax's potency should be atleast Low Multiversal for affecting similarly powerful beings and even got a 2-A upgrade on most of his passive Sword's abilities which includes TU's bfr & law manipulation if i'm not mistaken

It is Hades not Shaka, lol. Does Shaka has any hax that smurf ?

 

[PainKiller07]

It is Hades not Shaka, lol. Does Shaka has any hax that smurf ?

but Shaka literally belike: ''Hey Hades wanna help me clean this trash; Hades with 2-C hax: fine''
it just like a higher-tier hax helping a lower AP to fight, which, to my knowledge is a smurf
it is exactly the same case when CK threw his victims into todash darkness and ''borrowed'' their power to devour them( does killing the enemies via a higher tier power which is not yours consider a smurf? idk)

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

but Shaka literally belike: ''Hey Hades wanna help me clean this trash; Hades with 2-C hax: fine''
it just like a higher-tier hax helping a lower AP to fight, which, to my knowledge is a smurf
it is exactly the same case when CK threw his victims into todash darkness and ''borrowed'' their power to devour them( does killing the enemies via a higher tier power which is not yours consider a smurf? idk)

It's a passive ability of that realm governed by the God. It's not Shakas power but a unique trait of the realm.

Also we can only use what's on the profiles to answer another question you had.

I'm currently getting ready for work

 

[PainKiller07]

i've just figured it out and hmmh it is not a smurf then

okay so the conclusive point here is whether Shaka's Bfr able to affect Uriel's mind which resides in a different plane in the first place. Because from what i saw on his pro5, only his Psychokinesis being cross-dimensional? He needs to affect the other plane to bfr uriel's mind or it would just the physical body that got bfr while the more fundamental essence still completely unharmed and it would likely be a draw then

 

[Martian]

This is a great fight! No a stomp!