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Vegeta VS Sigismund (0-5-0)
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What is sigismund AP? Is it 500 foe or 3 giga foe?
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500 foe to 3 gigafoe, both are accepted
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Well AP stomp I guess?
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I voted for Sigismund Fra
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Spehs Marine FRA
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Guy I used to think was from Starwars FRA
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Question: How does one have 2 AP ratings?
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A bunch of calcs, characters can have several calcs for their AP
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Then which one is true in this case?
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They're just two AP ends, but both are accepted, so likely the gigafoe one IIRC
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How much larger is a giga foe than a foe.
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A billion times larger
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sigi fra
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that makes grace
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So how is this not an AP stomp?
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Cuz from what I can tell were using the 500 foe calc for this one
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Okay, Vegeta upscales massively from 2.1 kilofoe, 2.1 kilofoe = SSJ2 gohan < SSJ2 Vegeta < SSJ2 vegeta BoG saga <<< SSJ3 Goku < SSJ2 vegeta rage power. SSJ3 goku can stomp his SSJ2 self like majin buu did gohan vegeta dabura etc so Vegeta would be able to stomp 2.1 kilofoe characters who are about 4x 500 foe. So Vegeta is supposed to have a big AP advantage he may even one shot but I know that sigismund is massively above 500 foe so I can't tell who would have the AP advantage.
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Yeah Vegeta would have the AP advantage (maybe) but Sigismund would have vastly greater skill and experience compared to Vegeta. From what I can tell that's why they said he would win the fight.
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Well from what I read above sigismund is a prodigy with hundreds of years of experience and is better than people with hundreds of years of experience at a young age. But I find this hard to believe that he has the skill advantage against vegeta, when kid goku was more talented than master roshi who did have hundreds of years of experience and was able to copy roshis technique which took him 50 years to master by simply seeing it once and then goku gets years and years of experience and fights people with even greater knowledge and experience than roshi then you got vegeta who is comparable to goku and later vegeta is able to contend with buu and buu has lived for thousands to millions of years and vegeta is also comparable to goku in skill and goku is skilled enough to achieve levels of martial arts not even the gods of destruction could achieve and they live for easily MILLIONS of years, I really find it hard to believe that vegeta is less skilled here.
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I'm not really that well versed in terms of Sigismund or really how skilled he is so someone else could probably explain it better than I can. Best I got is that he was considered to be superior to Abaddon in terms of skill, someone who bested Horus in combat, who in turn was comparable in terms of skill to the Emperor who's lived for tens of thousands of years. It was also brought up that he would have his sword and his sword would most likely be able to cut through Vegeta easily due to its Matter Manipulation and Durability Negation. If Vegeta tried to go for range, his ki blasts most likely wouldn't be able to affect Sigismund due to his Iron Halo.
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Vegeta can make his skin stronger with ki so unless sigismund has enough AP to break vegeta's ki then he'd probably not be able to cut him with matter manipulation unless vegeta isn't defending himself with ki, take goku vs trunks as an example. And iron halo is forcefield creation right? So how strong are the forcefields?
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It’s also stated that his sword has Durability Negation so it’s not just matter manipulation. I’m not that well versed in dragon ball so I don’t know if he can do this but unless his ki literally strengthens his atoms he most likely won’t be able to defend against it.
Also, disregard my iron halo statement. Upon further inspection, best feat I found for it was that it can casually block lacannon fire which should be greatly inferior to anything vegeta can dish out. Honestly I thought it’d be stronger given that it seems like this high honor that only the greatest of marines and chapter masters get.
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Durability negation comes from his matter manipulation which makes atomic bonds weaker or something along those lines, but yes ki acts as a defensive barrier around the skin to strengthen it beyond it's normal durability, and since it's ki and not matter, sigismund needs to first break the ki with AP before reaching vegeta's skin which requires him to be even stronger than vegeta to break the ki that's beyond vegeta's normal durability (sigismund has a AP disadvantage so this is very unlikely). Refer to goku vs trunks, where goku makes his finger stronger by coating it with ki and trunks couldn't penetrate goku's ki to reach his finger with his sword.
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Ah I see. My bad then. Well then if Vegeta is that much stronger than sigismund and can basically extend his durability far higher than what it is usually, does sigismand really have a chance to win or is it just a stomp? From the arguments you presented he’s basically just sigismund but with more experience, range, and power overall.
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He can catch vegeta off guard and even hurt him badly since vegeta wouldn't know about the swords durability negation, but vegeta will probably go for blasts after that, so I'm gonna vote vegeta because of range.
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