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The funny part is that Aizen can Kyoka+stamina diff considering Vegeta falls for kyoka the moment he sees Aizen, although vegeta's profile has multiple counters for what's on aizen's profile
 
3-B vs 2-C is diabolical


Vegeta can one shot while Aizen can soul hax. Can Vegeta do anything about Aizen's regeneration?
I don’t see any Mid-Godly regeneration negation on his profile. He has History based existence erasure tho but idk if that matters.
 
Vegeta has existential erasure at the story level, Aizen cannot resist this, and Vegeta has resistance to soul manipulation and destruction in his profile.

Honestly, just shut it close. Avoid battles between DB characters and Bleach characters. We already have fights within the community, and we don't get along very well with them.
 
Vegeta can one shot while Aizen can soul hax. Can Vegeta do anything about Aizen's regeneration?
Which Soul Hax does Aizen have against Manga Vegeta Sir?

Vegeta one-shots in every way, this is a stomp
 
It's been requested to close this as a stomp. Given soul hax I'm inclined to agree. Any objections?
Per Ki manipulation page they can still resist the soul hax stuff

Resistance to Soul Manipulation (Soul Damage & Destruction[See Notes 7]; Spirits in the Afterlife[129] can fight others and the spirit is strengthened like its body[130]. Many characters[25] have demonstrated[131] being able[132] to naturally[132] handle having[133] their spirit[120]/ki[6] stolen from them[134]. Ki users when splitting[6] their soul[135] have been shown taking damage to their spirit[135], and still handle the effects[135] of the damage. When fighting against other Ki users, their Soul Damaging effects are inherently resisted with the most powerful Ki users being able to endure the effects of Hakai[136] which directly targets the soul and attempts to destroy it completely)

So Vegeta resist it.

3-B vs 2-C is diabolical



I don’t see any Mid-Godly regeneration negation on his profile. He has History based existence erasure tho but idk if that matters.
history based erasure would work because it is fundamentally more deeper and superior than conventional existence erasure, in which you need High Godly History based Regen to regenerate from which targets the metaphysical aspect of oneself.
 
Bleach soul hax/erasure does not work on characters who are infinities stronger than them
It does if they lack sufficient resistance.
Per Ki manipulation page they can still resist the soul hax stuff

Resistance to Soul Manipulation (Soul Damage & Destruction[See Notes 7]; Spirits in the Afterlife[129] can fight others and the spirit is strengthened like its body[130]. Many characters[25] have demonstrated[131] being able[132] to naturally[132] handle having[133] their spirit[120]/ki[6] stolen from them[134]. Ki users when splitting[6] their soul[135] have been shown taking damage to their spirit[135], and still handle the effects[135] of the damage. When fighting against other Ki users, their Soul Damaging effects are inherently resisted with the most powerful Ki users being able to endure the effects of Hakai[136] which directly targets the soul and attempts to destroy it completely)

So Vegeta resist it.
Other Bleach characters have resistance but still get haxed though. Layers end up coming into play.
history based erasure would work because it is fundamentally more deeper and superior than conventional existence erasure, in which you need High Godly History based Regen to regenerate from which targets the metaphysical aspect of oneself.
Okay, if it works like that.

Honestly, this is looking like it might not be a stomp.
 
P sure no soul hax layers have been accepted yet, it'd be the 9/11 of bleach crossverses if it happens
I'm not talking about Aizen's soul hax, I'm talking about his Kyoka Suigetsu which is his illusions that can alter your perception of time
 
Can you help with this?
Vegeta coats himself with hakai aura which sorrounds him and just erases him by flexing it like what he did here, and it can nullify incoming attacks that try to harm him so. It's pretty much wraps, perception hax and allat is irrelevant when the opponent just erases you.
He can also do an AoE Hakai which yeah.

 
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I'm not talking about Aizen's soul hax, I'm talking about his Kyoka Suigetsu which is his illusions that can alter your perception of time
Well, yeah, that's the easiest wincon he has considering their profiles. His op info analysis and great intellect mean there's no room for arguments like "Aizen won't know Vegeta's way stronger than him" or "he'd let Vegeta attack him first" or literally any other bs argument for him not using Kyoka.

Combine this with his infinite stamina and he'd be eating popcorn watching vegeta fight the air and hakai some trees til he runs out of stamina
 
Vegeta can coat himself in hakai aura and just erases him by flexing it like what he did here, and it can nullify incoming attacks that try to harm him so. It's pretty much wraps, perception hax and allat is irrelevant when the opponent just erases you.
He can also do an AoE Hakai which yeah.


Ok thanks for the arg, was arguing against some bleach fan and he mentions about the Kyoka Suigetsu. Also one more thing can Vegeta do something about Aizen's sealings? Like his Bakudo and Hado. There's also Aizen's fate manip which idk how to argue against it
 
Ok thanks for the arg, was arguing against some bleach fan and he mentions about the Kyoka Suigetsu.
Tbh, under standard battle assumptions, they would be 4km away, meaning Vegeta falls for kyoka way before getting close enough to use hakai aura which aizen can just dodge with equal speed
Also one more thing can Vegeta do something about Aizen's sealings? Like his Bakudo and Hado.
Most of the bleach's sealing can be broken out of with enough power. The only kido you should hope he doesn't argue for is jikanteishi(forbidden kido for time stop)
There's also Aizen's fate manip which idk how to argue against it
This one takes some time, it's not very hard to argue against time.

Also, Vegeta's hakai is wanked af on his page, there's no history erasure or whatever but that's just my opinion.

Honestly, if i were him, i would firstly argue for stats, in order to nullify Vegeta's absurd advantage that's derieved from their profiles, then i would bring mid godly>manga hakai + Aizen's op evolution and some transcendence stuff such as law manip(which is another thing his profile doesn't have) + hogyoku's fusion with aizen being done via reality warping, something vegeta has no counter to

Good luck with the debate
 
Sounds like there's at least some argument going on here. Hakai is definitely a wincon, soul hax isn't. Aizen's wincon being argued is illusions to make Vegeta exhaust himself until Aizen outlasts him. Of course, if Vegeta figures out he's being tricked he can blast out Hakai all around him. I'd definitely lean towards Vegeta here if everything holds.
 
Sounds like there's at least some argument going on here. Hakai is definitely a wincon, soul hax isn't. Aizen's wincon being argued is illusions to make Vegeta exhaust himself until Aizen outlasts him. Of course, if Vegeta figures out he's being tricked he can blast out Hakai all around him. I'd definitely lean towards Vegeta here if everything holds.
Do you think Vegeta has something against Aizen's fate manip? I also forgot hogyoku can absorb souls which might be dangerous
 
Sounds like there's at least some argument going on here. Hakai is definitely a wincon, soul hax isn't. Aizen's wincon being argued is illusions to make Vegeta exhaust himself until Aizen outlasts him. Of course, if Vegeta figures out he's being tricked he can blast out Hakai all around him. I'd definitely lean towards Vegeta here if everything holds.
The thing is aizen can use kyoka on people in other dimensions than the one he is in, he can easily just go to another dimension and have vegeta keep fighting the air and blast things at random. I am 101% sure he would rather be safe in another dimension than stay in the same dimension as vegeta.
 
Eh, I'm not voting, just making sure it isn't a stomp.

This thread is getting pretty heated though.
 
Eh, I'm not voting, just making sure it isn't a stomp.
Yeah, it's not a stomp. The current profiles make this a pretty lomg and boring fight to imagine
This thread is getting pretty heated though.
Eh, it's not that heated, for now I am lowkey like the only one actually arguing for Aizen even with the huge drawbacks the current profiles are for him…

This matchup is basically brains vs power lol
 
Tbh, under standard battle assumptions, they would be 4km away, meaning Vegeta falls for kyoka way before getting close enough to use hakai aura which aizen can just dodge with equal speed

Most of the bleach's sealing can be broken out of with enough power. The only kido you should hope he doesn't argue for is jikanteishi(forbidden kido for time stop)

This one takes some time, it's not very hard to argue against time.

Also, Vegeta's hakai is wanked af on his page, there's no history erasure or whatever but that's just my opinion.

Honestly, if i were him, i would firstly argue for stats, in order to nullify Vegeta's absurd advantage that's derieved from their profiles, then i would bring mid godly>manga hakai + Aizen's op evolution and some transcendence stuff such as law manip(which is another thing his profile doesn't have) + hogyoku's fusion with aizen being done via reality warping, something vegeta has no counter to

Good luck with the debate
Well I was arguing on smerker's edit where he has Aizen soloing Goku so I just made this match so I can see the possible counter arguments against Aizen's arsenal
 
Well I was arguing on smerker's edit where he has Aizen soloing Goku so I just made this match so I can see the possible counter arguments against Aizen's arsenal

If you don't pay any mind to either's profile and try to actually debate for any ability they have as well as their actual scale, Aizen lowkey shitstomps. Vegeta without history erasure has no actual counter to Aizen's regen
 
so what stops Vegeta from breaking through Aizens illusion hax
Potency + db power>hax being lowkey bs + bleach explicitly following this rule which still didn't help yamamoto or Yhwach break out of kyoka(aizen implies he can also use it on ichigo despite ichigo being waaay stronger than him) + post hogyoku versions of Aizen being able to resist even conceptual power nullification and sealing type 2 + Aizen being able to use kyoka even in Muken despite the fact Muken is full of countless seals which are designed especially to negate Zanpakto abilities

Quite a lot of stuff
 
Honestly, if i were him, i would firstly argue for stats, in order to nullify Vegeta's absurd advantage that's derieved from their profiles, then i would bring mid godly>manga hakai + Aizen's op evolution and some transcendence stuff such as law manip(which is another thing his profile doesn't have) + hogyoku's fusion with aizen being done via reality warping, something vegeta has no counter to

Good luck with the debate
Yeahh.. This is not how it works, we adhere to the profiles because it accepted and evaluated as such, if you deliberately ignore what is presented in the profiles themselves, that's a burden of proof, you need to make a thread pertaining to it otherwise, but here, it should be used and will be so.. Yeah

Anyways, this battle starts at 4km, so Vegeta's hakai aura already sorrounds him from the very start, and is already there. So before Aizen try to do anything notable, he already gets erased.

So Vegeta FRA
 
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