V1 (Ultrakill) vs Gun Devil (CSM) (Grace ended)

[Acertainbcplayer]

That proves GD has a really huge line of sight, but it doesn’t necessarily translate into pure aiming feats. And V1 can also constantly evade and counter most other bullets simultaneously when GD is using its aimbot thing.

Huge line of sight doesn't mean he could aim as well. The fact that he can aim quite accurately from over 400km away means that's aiming feat, having a 100x scope and a gun that can shoot at a high enough velocity doesn't mean you can automatically hit your target, moving or not.

Remember that Gun Devil has been flying around and hitting people's vital organs with it's bullet at that speed, in fractions of a second and because it was using guns, the Gun Devil would be moving all it's guns around at more than 1/10 of V1's reaction and combat speed, and he have more than a dozen.

Yeah V1 can’t throw a million coins and Chargeback millions of bullets like that, and uhh I don’t think that changes much? In fact GD’s danmaku actually gives V1 a fuckton of chances to ricochet its own bullets off each other and bash them back into its own face so

Talking about chances, I remembered that the starting condition was that both knows nothing about the other but location, and from what I saw throwing coins takes some time, and would you guarantee that V1 will start with coins instead of closing the 1km distance? Gun Devil can open fire on sight (he has far higher sight than V1 anyways) and can do so almost instantly. Wouldn't this mean that V1 will be caught off guard realistically? Or does he have some ability preventing that?

The point I'm trying to make here is: V1 has a huge arsenal to choose from, and Gun Devil has it's guns, basically the one to pull the trigger first will be the one with less choice and more range.

Sucks that it just means GD will drag V1 along huh. Also give me an instance where GD used its LS to shred/tear off a foe with its weird ass body.

It shredded itself by just moving at 100% (meaning it's speed alone would decimate itself), though idk about 20%, but the force generated would be enough for V1 to feel a lot, and let's not forget in the meanwhile GD would still be on business as usual, as it can casually handle that force and shoots normally (higher LS matters here I think?).

 

[AThe1412]

I have nothing else to add. Just pointing out something that's super obvious.

Talking about chances, I remembered that the starting condition was that both knows nothing about the other but location, and from what I saw throwing coins takes some time, and would you guarantee that V1 will start with coins instead of closing the 1km distance? Gun Devil can open fire on sight (he has far higher sight than V1 anyways) and can do so almost instantly. Wouldn't this mean that V1 will be caught off guard realistically? Or does he have some ability preventing that?

Bro, the Gun Devil is a flying target the size of a mountain. Unless you're implying that V1 is blind, he ain't gonna miss that from 1 kilometer away.

King Minos (ULTRAKILL)

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He can easily spot targets of similar sizes from much greater distances.




In fact, a normal person can spot them because they're just that big.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Quick question. Does V1 have a good way to surmount Gun Devil's regen? It's not like V1 has any form of pain tolerance or immo 2 or how potent his healing is. Who knows? A few bullets might end up slipping through and just taking V1 head smoove off or just put a few new assholes where his.. well anywhere.. should be.
Only one of these fighters win but it'll be an extreme diff for either.

 

[Jerry59]

It's not like V1 has any form of pain tolerance or immo 2 or how potent his healing is. Who knows? A few bullets might end up slipping through and just taking V1 head smoove off or just put a few new assholes where his.. well anywhere.. should be.

Mfw V1 and V2 keep getting hit and even pierced through the head and body by comically huge beams and harpoons yet still keep strafe around like ******* mosquitoes:

(Will give more args later I need to call for help to fix my barely functioning fan first)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Mfw V1 and V2 keep getting hit and even pierced through the head and body by comically huge beams and harpoons yet still keep strafe around like ******* mosquitoes:

(please give them Immo 2 for my sake and sanity, in fact give them all immo 2)

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I have nothing else to add. Just pointing out something that's super obvious.

Bro, the Gun Devil is a flying target the size of a mountain. Unless you're implying that V1 is blind, he ain't gonna miss that from 1 kilometer away.

King Minos (ULTRAKILL)

King Minos was once the ruler of the second layer of hell, Lust. Feeling that eternal suffering was too harsh of a punishment for those whose only sin was loving another, he reformed the Lust layer when God disappeared, throwing heaven into chaos. He spearheaded a renaissance, guiding the...

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Earthmover (ULTRAKILL)

The 1000-THR "Earthmover" is a massive, monochromatic, quadrupedal Supreme Machine similar in shape to a giraffe or a centaur. It is so large that not only can it house a city on its back, but it also requires solar power to function alongside the normal blood refueling process. As the Final War...

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He can easily spot targets of similar sizes from much greater distances.




In fact, a normal person can spot them because they're just that big.

sometimes I forgot that Gun Devil is built like this...

Mfw V1 and V2 keep getting hit and even pierced through the head and body by comically huge beams and harpoons yet still keep strafe around like ******* mosquitoes:

(Will give more args later I need to call for help to fix my barely functioning fan first)

Well, how huge and what's the damage dealt? Cause Gun Devil's bullets can create holes of very large size. And remember, V1 is dealing with something nearly 2x it's durability. Also I don't want to pull the "it's not on the profile" move, so for my sanity's sake, someone please add it if it's real.

 

[Jerry59]

Huge line of sight doesn't mean he could aim as well. The fact that he can aim quite accurately from over 400km away means that's aiming feat, having a 100x scope and a gun that can shoot at a high enough velocity doesn't mean you can automatically hit your target, moving or not.

Uhhh okay? I meant that when you have such good sight, having an easier time pinpointing targets is pretty much guaranteed and not entirely just skill.

Remember that Gun Devil has been flying around and hitting people's vital organs with it's bullet at that speed, in fractions of a second and because it was using guns, the Gun Devil would be moving all it's guns around at more than 1/10 of V1's reaction and combat speed, and he have more than a dozen.

And has it ever been shown that the homing abilities are potent enough to go straight back to the target after missing? No? Then they’re dodgeable right.

and from what I saw throwing coins takes some time, and would you guarantee that V1 will start with coins instead of closing the 1km distance? Gun Devil can open fire on sight (he has far higher sight than V1 anyways) and can do so almost instantly. Wouldn't this mean that V1 will be caught off guard realistically? Or does he have some ability preventing that?

You can be just supersonic and still move a meter away from a mach 1000 bullet at the same distance. And here V1 sees a mountain-sized devil raising its gun and firing a rain of bullets toward it, don’t need to be an extraordinary genius to do the common sense thing.

It shredded itself by just moving at 100% (meaning it's speed alone would decimate itself), though idk about 20%, but the force generated would be enough for V1 to feel a lot, and let's not forget in the meanwhile GD would still be on business as usual, as it can casually handle that force and shoots normally (higher LS matters here I think?).

Hurting yourself through KE is like, a durability issue. And idk how that would apply to V1, it’s a lightweight robot placed behind GD, so getting dragged at its combat speed doesn’t really affect it much imo. Though you did say that the closer it is the denser the danmaku gets, so I don’t think it would choose to do that anyway.

Well, how huge and what's the damage dealt? Cause Gun Devil's bullets can create holes of very large size. And remember, V1 is dealing with something nearly 2x it's durability.

Here and here (the entire fight, also shown a similar machine (V2) directly taking those attacks) (The Revolvers can blast away entire heads, and the Railcannon beam has a much larger width as well, so it’s not like they survive just because small flecks fly clean through). For those things to pierce straight through V1, they’d need much higher AP alongside piercing damage (these can penetrate guys with Thragg type of upscaling multiple times, crazy stuff). Bullets with huge DC will hurt, but they shouldn’t straight up murder in a single shot, and most of them aren’t that big anyway.

(please give them Immo 2 for my sake and sanity, in fact give them all immo 2)

Also I don't want to pull the "it's not on the profile" move, so for my sanity's sake, someone please add it if it's real.

Those don’t always require Immo 2- they’re mere objects, they can’t feel pain, survivability is high, and/or they have good stamina. That's about it.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Here and here (the entire fight, also shown a similar machine (V2) directly taking those attacks) (The Revolvers can blast away entire heads, and the Railcannon beam has a much larger width as well, so it’s not like they survive just because small flecks fly clean through). For those things to pierce straight through V1, they’d need much higher AP alongside piercing damage (these can penetrate guys with Thragg type of upscaling multiple times, crazy stuff). Bullets with huge DC will hurt, but they shouldn’t straight up murder in a single shot, and most of them aren’t that big anyway.

Most of them, over 400km away. Up close 1 bullet would visibly dig a deep hole a size of a car with a crater around it, those bullets are BIG stuff, not a stick like shown in the vid. Talking about piercing damage, I think bullets in csm benefit hell lots from piercing damage, literal normal bullets can pierce though Denji, so eh...

 

[Jerry59]

Most of them, over 400km away. Up close 1 bullet would visibly dig a deep hole a size of a car with a crater around it, those bullets are BIG stuff, not a stick like shown in the vid.

Bullets with huge DC will hurt, but they shouldn’t straight up murder in a single shot, and most of them aren’t that big anyway.

Talking about piercing damage, I think bullets in csm benefit hell lots from piercing damage, literal normal bullets can pierce though Denji, so eh...

I might have read somewhere here that conventional guns are usually wanked in fiction (there’s even a verse where regular handguns are OP against 8-C and a meme about cutscene bullets shit). If anything, Denji getting pierced by normal bullets is just an anti-feat. Unlike Ultrakill’s guns, which actually have statements about the size of their metal flecks and consistently penetrate people.

 

[AThe1412]

I might have read somewhere here that conventional guns are usually wanked in fiction (there’s even a verse where regular handguns are OP against 8-C and a meme about cutscene bullets shit).

Let me guess, Yakuza?

If anything, Denji getting pierced by normal bullets is just an anti-feat.

Or a feat that puts the guns at 8-C. Reminder that Kobeni has an 8-B but otherwise completely normal knife.

 

[Gamecooob]

Reminder that V1 deadass takes 0 damage from his feat. So the sub-2x AP advantage might be mitigated a little.

And his piercing attacks legit go through everyone in his verse, and in terms of the scaling chain of Durability... V1 is quite low on it.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I might have read somewhere here that conventional guns are usually wanked in fiction (there’s even a verse where regular handguns are OP against 8-C and a meme about cutscene bullets shit). If anything, Denji getting pierced by normal bullets is just an anti-feat. Unlike Ultrakill’s guns, which actually have statements about the size of their metal flecks and consistently penetrate people.

Yes they are, but in chainsaw man Guns and piercing attacks in general are OP as heck. We have Denji and Pochita going up TIERS above what they've physically shown from piercing attack alone, spear man literally pierced through Pochita, etc....

They only failed to do the job when the opponent tried to parry or block the bullets, which is what V1 would need to do.

 

[AThe1412]

Yes they are, but in chainsaw man Guns and piercing attacks in general are OP as heck. We have Denji and Pochita going up TIERS above what they've physically shown from piercing attack alone, spear man literally pierced through Pochita, etc....

They only failed to do the job when the opponent tried to parry or block the bullets, which is what V1 would need to do.

Notable piercing weapons are indexed on Chainsaw Man profiles as "higher" or have seperate tiers of their own. The Gun Devil doesn't have either of those. V1's weapons on the otherhand...

 

[Jerry59]

Yes they are, but in chainsaw man Guns and piercing attacks in general are OP as heck. We have Denji and Pochita going up TIERS above what they've physically shown from piercing attack alone, spear man literally pierced through Pochita, etc....

That still doesn’t convince me- if anything, it just confirms that Fujimoto likes to make his characters glass cannons these are anti-feats or outliers, unless the weapons are explicitly stated to be on that tier. Like, if you still think these ‘normal bullets’ can damage someone several tiers above, then just index them as dura neg already. Piercing damage is supposed to mitigate durability, not completely bypass it.
And aren’t Spear Man’s spears upscaled from Tier 7? They’re simply that strong, and are also an entirely different thing from GD’s bullets anyway.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

We've talked about how V1 could handle hits from GD, but what about GD itself? Does V1 has enough DC to deal with Gun Devil? Cause the devil itself could clearly live even with missing body parts, like that's a part of it's regeneration, so even if V1 gets a big hit in, it won't go down easily. If anything the hits might have to be as big as the one Makima pulled off at least.

GD won't suffer from lower mobility just by losing some parts and it's main body is the size of a small moutain, so it could take a lot of hits, meanwhile V1 could only take a bit before getting heavily damaged, and remember that while the body integrity might only scale to town level, it's flesh is extremely durable and could handle the heat and drag from it's 100% self and didn't completely burn off as the flesh still remains. Does V1 have any answer to that?

 

[Jerry59]

We've talked about how V1 could handle hits from GD, but what about GD itself? Does V1 has enough DC to deal with Gun Devil? Cause the devil itself could clearly live even with missing body parts, like that's a part of it's regeneration, so even if V1 gets a big hit in, it won't go down easily. If anything the hits might have to be as big as the one Makima pulled off at least.

Feedbacker makes any parried bullets return to GD amplified, so with enough of them it could gore GD a bit. But V1 also doesn’t necessarily need to turn GD into blood mush to win, consider that V1 can heal and refuel via parrying to keep fighting, while GD has a limited stamina pool.

GD won't suffer from lower mobility just by losing some parts and it's main body is the size of a small moutain, so it could take a lot of hits, meanwhile V1 could only take a bit before getting heavily damaged

And V1 can recover. Even if it’s heavily damaged, it’s been shown that another V Model can still function completely normally after losing a limb.

and remember that while the body integrity might only scale to town level, it's flesh is extremely durable and could handle the heat and drag from it's 100% self and didn't completely burn off as the flesh still remains.

What do you even mean by this? His flesh and body are the same thing. Getting dragged at 100% would tear off the flesh, they wouldn’t just remain unaffected, and GD would die moving at that level of KE. Having 20% of his body makes him 7-C physically, and having more makes him stronger up to High 7-C. Simple as that, that’s literally what’s shown on the profile.

Guess I’ll lean toward incon now.

 

[Gamecooob]

refuel via parrying

wait, we're not accepting that as game mechanics here?
sweet

 

[Jerry59]

wait, we're not accepting that as game mechanics here?
sweet

Yuh

 

[Arkansalter2]

Incon. Neither have a good way of killing each other permanently.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Guess I’ll lean toward incon now.

is this a vote?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

@Bimbitesthedust you still voting V1?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

from the arguments I've seen, incon is definitely the more likely to happen

voting incon

 

[Jerry59]

is this a vote?

aye

 

[Stillwinston]

I'll go incon there, btw would V1 vs Ken Kaneki be a match idea?

 

[Jerry59]

I'll go incon there, btw would V1 vs Ken Kaneki be a match idea?

V1 has no way to kill that guy lol. Apparently that regen is pretty busted.

 

[Epiccheev]

Incon FRA

 

[AThe1412]

Inconclusive FRA.

 

[theremineater]

Inconclusive For Reasons Above

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Grace 6h15m ago

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

this can be added now right?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

this can be added now right?

yeah, kinda forgot about this one. Grace ended ages ago.

 

[Jerry59]

I uh- I just realized speed isn’t equalized here- (apparently it shouldn’t affect the match much if at all so whatever)

Can someone add it to the pages?