Upgrading Aladdin to 2-C

[TataHakai]

Well Solomon is at 2-C

And in chapter 333, page 8

We were told that Aladdin had surpassed solomon in strength.

Thus Aladdin should scale to Solomon at the very least and possibly higher since he is superior to solomon now

http://www3.mangafreak.net/Read1_Magi_333_8#gohere

 

[Joseph619]

Bump

 

[Ryukama]

I'll highlight this for more staff input.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Clearly referred to solomon before he became a god, aladdin has no feats on such a level.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I agree with Celestial.

 

[TataHakai]

That doesn't matter, Solomon before he became a god overpowered ill illah whom is a 2-C and that was how Solomon himself became god

So even if it is referring to that Solomon it'd still scale Aladdin to 2-C

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I don't remember solomon overpowering il ilah, all he did was rewrite the ruk and became god, my memory is foggy, but from what i remember il ilah has no will or something, so once you reach where it is, all you have to do is enforce your will upon it, might be wrong, but i don't think solomon overpowered il ilah sounds iffy, would have to go look back on the feat.

 

[TataHakai]

He literally took all the ruhk from ill illah and gave it out to the world, he not only did this but he completely changed the ruhk of a 2-C character. How would he do this without overpowering Ill illah? Remember Ill illah himself destroyed majority of the world by just taking a step in, Solomon would HAVE to have overpowered him to Overwrite his ruhk

Not to mention Ugo asks him whether he was really thinking of killing god and Solomon somewhat confirms this by saying it's no different from what david would have done

Chapter 232 : Solomon's world

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Solomon is 2-C only because he became God, and no one has given him a "human" tier.

Alladin surpassing Solomon refers to surpassing Solomon when he was still just a human magic user.

 

[TataHakai]

He became god because he Overpowered Ill illah....

He split Ill illah from his Ruhk, changed the ruhk and sealed the body of ill illah in a separate dimension. THIS is how Solomon became god, that was through his own power. I don't see how he would have gotten any stronger once he became god considering he gave out all the ruhk that ill illah had, there is absolutely nothing to suggest Solomon became stronger once he became god. Aladdin is stated to be stronger than Solomon, i don't see what the problem is.

God Solomon and Solomon before he became a god should have the same power, there is literally no reason to assume he got an amp in power. He Overpowered Ill illah in his "human magic user" form and became god. I don't see how overpowering a 2-C character doesn't make you 2-C

 

[TataHakai]

Bump.

 

[KinkiestSins]

Even if we did accept this, and this is a long shot There is no solid 'feat' for this and the powerscaling is shaky at best There is a reason why Sinbad is labeled as possibly 2-B and not a solid 2-B He hasnt shown the feat for this level of AP yet Same for Aladdin ...that said, I am fine with upgrading Aladdin to Possibly 2-C

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Celestial Pegasus and Monarch Laciel.

Il Ilah was stated to be dying due to overextending its powers by being drained by humanity at the time, and was not remotely treated as a universal being until much later. It is a massive illogical inconsistency in the plot.

Aladdin has not feats remotely of this level, so I would appreciate if you immediately and permanently drop this topic.

 

[TataHakai]

Alright I'll make my last point and drop it if it still isn't accepted

Firstly i don't remember it ever being stated that Ill illah was "dying", if you could link me to a scan that says that that would be great. Secondly there is absolutely no proof Ill illah was weaker back than than he was during when he was creating a universe

IN FACT Ill illah whilst he was creating a universe would have been weaker due to the fact that all his Ruhk had been drained by solomon.

A person does not need feats when we have something called powerscaling, it's not inconsistent at all. Anyone who reads Magi knows the author has pretty much been building up to Solomon being surpassed by Aladdin, his own son. Hell it can't even be considered an outlier since Magi had a timeskip and a lot of the characters were amped. They went from island level to Multi universal in ONE chapter so i don't see the inconsistency in power or plot.

Alright that's my last point, if it's still not accepted you can close the thread

 

[Antvasima]

Well, from what I remember, it was stated that the source of magic was weakening due to being used up by humanity, and that Il Ilah was the source of that magic, who was turning black from being severely weakened. However, I am far too busy to look for the exact scans.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, Solomon the magician may have been exceeded by Aladdin, but not Solomon as a deity. It would be massive speculation to claim that Aladdin can suddenly create and destroy entire universes on his own, outside of the Sacred Palace.

 

[KinkiestSins]

While I do agree with you Ant, may I ask you entertain the following possibility If Sinbad was posted at possibly 2-B and you being against the upgrade because has no feats.

Wouldnt it seem like a good compromise to be possibly 2-C in his profile for the following reason?

I personally dont care what tier Aladdin is in, but that makes the most sense to me for consistency sake. If Sinbad was placed at Possibly 2-B, despite not having feats, wouldnt we have to do the same to Aladdin or downgrade Sinbad to 'Unknown' I am going to be honest here, I dont think Sinbad even deserves that 2-B rating sometimes. He tricked Ugo and not even beat him. He is honestly my favorite character, but for consistency sake allow the similar line of reasoning for Aladdin? Or we can just downgrade him to Unknown as well. I am fine with either one.

 

[Antvasima]

Sinbad was placed at the same level as Ugo for explicitly usurping his power. Aladdin does not have any indications whatsoever of a universal scale of power.

 

[TataHakai]

Sinbad didn't usurp Ugo though

Sinbad overpowered David and took advantage of Ugo's fragile mind which had been degraded by loneliness of a long time alone in the sacred palace.

If Solomon is a 2-C and we are told Aladdin has surpassed Solomon then via powerscaling Aladdin should be 2-C

You don't need feats when powerscaling exists. It's used a ton of times in other series where we have people like Zeno who were universal+ without any feats (before he destroyed Zamasu) due to powerscaling to people who were scared of him and basically said he was the strongest around

I don't see the difference

 

[TataHakai]

Sinbad basically tricked Ugo by showing him Solomon telling Ugo to hand over his position to Sinbad.

 

[Antvasima]

We have been told that Sinbad holds the same position and power as Ugo did, when within the Sacred Palace.

We have, however, not been shown any remotely universal displays of power from either Solomon as a magician or Aladdin himself. In addition, Ugo has been shown to possess enormously more limited capabilities outside of the palace than within it.

I have many different tasks to handle within this wiki, and am getting extremely tired of this.

We are not going to upgrade Aladdin to 2-C without explicit proof later on in the series, no matter how much you nag about it.

This is your final warning to immediately permanently drop this subject/not ever bother us about it again, until we get much better later evidence,