Upgrade for high 4-C composite godzilla back

[Bombzilla]

Continuing my argument from here, i don't think This downgrade had enough evidence to back it up. People were assuming that the pachinko gorath is the same as the meteor that monster x came out of, which simply isn't true. I say this because if you look at the pachinko gorath and the final wars comet/asteroid/meteor (or whatever you want to call it) here, you can clearly see that they are two completely different things entirely. For one, the pachinko gorath is WAY bigger compared to the meteor, by a lot. Also, the pachinko object looks more like the original gorath or a star in general then a meteor. It is also implied and stated that the pachinko object is indeed gorath, the dense star.(it was also based off of it). Another thing i want to say is that the meteor at the end of final wars is NOT gorath. Its just a meteor. The xillians show something MUCH larger then the meteor in their example and it is shown blowing up the planet. So clearly the meteor isn't Gorath, and isn't the object shown in the pachinko game either. The pachinko game basically replaces the final wars meteor with Gorath.(which was a dense star).

Changes: bump composite godzilla back up to high 4-C via destroying gorath(which is a dense star), NOT a meteor.

Here is the feat in question just in case: https://youtu.be/McopCL57Jmg

Any thoughts?

 

[Bombzilla]

Bump.

 

[Bombzilla]

Bump.

 

[Kiryu-MG3]

Agree with the changes.

 

[Xantospoc]

I refuse this argument for the same reason I explained. Just because it looks like Gorath, we have no reason to think it's the same super dense Star as the showa series, like we don't assume Showa Godzilla and Final Wars Godzilla re the same.

 

[Bombzilla]

But we can't assume that its a meteor either. The two don't look alike AT ALL, and we can't just say that: "well its based off the event from the movie, so they MUST be the same thing". It doesn't make sense. Its referred to as gorath, which was a dense star. And the meteor isn't Gorath, so it can't be this thing either.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

The Pachinko game one has fire around it like The original Gorath ( a burning Star)

The meteor from FW is not burning.

Clearly Pachinko one is a running Star.

 

[Bombzilla]

The pachinko one looks like a star period. Also no meteor looks like that. This thing is referred to as gorath, which was a star. Gorath was never a meteor to begin with.(and never was).

 

[Xantospoc]

Any object at a high speed burns.

And again, Gorath was an inhabitated planet, with even a Monster on it. I will keep opposing this upgrade as 'wishful thinking'

 

[Uradelbauer]

Although I have no interest in the series, anyone who knows high-school physics can tell that no meteor looks like that

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Maybe it is best to get Weekly, since he is knowledgeable on Godzilla.

 

[Bombzilla]

Any object at a high speed burns.

And again, Gorath was an inhabitated planet, with even a Monster on it. I will keep opposing this upgrade as 'wishful thinking'

Even at high speed burns, meteors don't look like that. And again, there is literally nothing saying or implying its a meteor. Its called gorath, which was a dense planetoid like star. Not a meteor. Also, you are literally describing gorath. It isn't supporting your argument at all. The meteor in final wars is not named gorath. Only the dense star is called Gorath.


So you are telling me that THIS is a meteor?

 

[Xantospoc]

Now you are outright getting things wrong. The Meteor in Final Wars IS called Gorath.

Again, give up, Just the fact they look alike won't suffice for an upgrade

 

[Bombzilla]

Now you are outright getting things wrong. The Meteor in Final Wars IS called Gorath.

Again, give up, Just the fact they look alike won't suffice for an upgrade

Lol no. THIS is gorath in final wars. Not the meteor. The meteor is something completely different. Also, when the meteor does appear, NO ONE calls it gorath. Its just a meteor.

 

[Chu_Minh_Duy]

well, it could possibly a Dwarf Star or a Planet that in the edge of destruction

 

[Bombzilla]

well, it could possibly a Dwarf Star or a Planet that in the edge of destruction

I mean, would it though? As far as we know, its called Gorath, and gorath is a dense planetoid like star.

 

[Chu_Minh_Duy]

Now you are outright getting things wrong. The Meteor in Final Wars IS called Gorath.

Again, give up, Just the fact they look alike won't suffice for an upgrade

Lol no. THIS is gorath in final wars. Not the meteor. The meteor is something completely different. Also, when the meteor does appear, NO ONE calls it gorath. Its just a meteor.

well,i think the guys downgrade him to High 5-A has been misunderstanding the Monster X meteor to something called Gorath

 

[Bombzilla]

Yes he is. He thinks that the meteor is gorath, which it clearly isn't. Gorath is the thing that shown in the xillians example. Its shown literally blowing up the planet.

 

[Chu_Minh_Duy]

well, it could possibly a Dwarf Star or a Planet that in the edge of destruction

I mean, would it though? As far as we know, its called Gorath, and gorath is a dense planetoid like star.

so Gorath in Final Wars was just a theories of Douglas Gordon or something right , i mean it would never happen in Final Wars ,also i don't know that both Godzilla series and the Gorath movie in the same Universe or not

 

[Bombzilla]

Gorath in final wars was only seen in one part of the movie. It was when the xillians were warning the earthlings about how gorath was going to crash into the earth, just like in the original showa film Gorath. But it turns out that it wasn't the actual gorath that was going to earth, it was just a meteor that had monster x in it. They are two separate things. The pachinko game basically did the same scenario, but instead of the meteor that was heading towards earth, it was the actual dense star gorath. Godzilla then blew it up.

 

[fandom_2horny4u]

Pervious revisions have looked over the large star calc/feat as legit. The main basis behind the downgrade is misinformation. The xillians are manipulative and wanted the humans on their side. Thus so they showed a made up hologram. Besides the hologram is irrelevant because the meteor in it isn't the same we see at the end of the film and it's one of the reason we don't have FW G at planetary and all toho films do share a multiverse unless stated otherwise. This was established in planety of guidebooks, wog, and the battle training card game for ps1

Even if it wasn't gorath there are plenty of other arguments for godzillas teiring being above dwarf star but most still stay in the large star to "maybe" solar system but thats besides the point

I agree with the upgrade and it sounds like everyone else here does except xantospoc

I say get more mods in here to approve since plenty were active in the large star upgrade/universal downgrade

 

[Bombzilla]

THANK YOU. but the only thing wrong with that is the hologram wasn't a meteor per say. It was a hologram of gorath.

 

[Chu_Minh_Duy]

due to a manga that i was already shown in Antvasima mesouldsage wall for a long time ago, i think we should upgrade Godzilla regen due to this

this is also a proof to show he can regens from being decapitated

 

[fandom_2horny4u]

Honestly the composite godzilla page was a THOUSAND times better not too long ago

All his attacks listed, all his best feats, links to everything so almost nothing isn't backed up in some way.

Now it's just the godzilla in hell page with his single best speed and lifting strength feat with addition to the powers and abilities but I've noticed not all are there like toon force and size manipulation (ads and godzilla kun) so the page needs revision anyway

And again

Lets get more mods in here to approve

 

[WeeklyBattles]

High 4-C is not happening as the feat is not legitimate and has been brought into question before

The regen feat isnt legit, getting his head blown off =/= regenning from his head getting blown off in a combat applicable time

I do agree that the attacks should not have been removed and dont know why they were

 

[Bombzilla]

How is the the the high 4-C feat not legit? Just wondering.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Well first off its not technically from ANYTHING that is actually part of the Godzilla franchize, its literally an obscure clip from a pachinko machine, the legitimacy of which has been brought up before

 

[Bombzilla]

Well first off its not technically from ANYTHING that is actually part of the Godzilla franchize, its literally an obscure clip from a pachinko machine, the legitimacy of which has been brought up before

Weren't toho themselves involved with this though? As in partly making it? Also since this is a composite profile, it would include everything that is godzilla related.(that is official/approved of course). This is basically like a godzilla game in a way. Even if its old or obscure.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

They made the clips but theyre cut together from two completely different movies. They could easily have just added a clip of a galaxy being destroyed or something similar and it would be the same thing.

And no, we DONT include EVERYTHING godzilla related, otherwise we'd still be including the toy commercials and reality show clips of Godzilla

 

[Bombzilla]

They made the clips but theyre cut together from two completely different movies. They could easily have just added a clip of a galaxy being destroyed or something similar and it would be the same thing.

And what were those movies exactly? If its from toho, then it should be fine. If its not, then i could see where the problems would be. If toho themselves made all the clips and and scenes then it should be good for it to go under a composite godzilla. I see a LOT of toho related things in the game, this must have some legitimacy to it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Both are Toho movies but its literally clips from two different movies cut together into one clip. They could have replaced Gorath with a galaxy exploding and it would be just as legitimate.

 

[Bombzilla]

Both are Toho movies but its literally clips from two different movies cut together into one clip. They could have replaced Gorath with a galaxy exploding and it would be just as legitimate.

What were the names of the movies? Also, i feel like even if its just clips from other toho movies, it would still be somewhat legit. If it was approved/ created by toho, then it should be. And maybe they had to reuse clips and scenes from other movies. Toho aren't exactly the best when it comes to budgets and whatnot. Think about it. Say if i was making a game or movie and i wanted to have a certain scene in it. But i had already made something that was exactly alike the scene i wanted to make. Then i edited it, and reused it for the scene instead of making a completely new one to save time and energy. It doesn't really make my new scene illegitimate. Especially if it fits perfectly with the scene in question. (Seriously, i can't really tell the difference between scenes that much in the pachinko game. Its almost like the clips were made for the game and not reused at all). That's just how i see it though. Not to mention that everything was made by toho themselves, which kinda makes it more legitimate. I would even say that this is more legit then the whole legendary godzilla thing.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Godzilla: Final Wars and Gorath. And no, the second its spliced two clips together its automatically illegitimate.

 

[Bombzilla]

Godzilla: Final Wars and Gorath. And no, the second its spliced two clips together its automatically illegitimate.

Ok...uuhhhh..... where exactly do they use clips from godzilla final wars in this? I don't see any scene or clip that was from that movie. At best it was just based off the meteor scene in final wars. So i don't see why its illegitimate in any way. And yes, i watched the whole video.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its a recreation of the clip from final wars with Gorath replacing Monster X's meteor form.

There is such a thing as TOO obscure to be used in a profile.

 

[Bombzilla]

Its a recreation of the clip from final wars with Gorath replacing Monster X's meteor form.

There is such a thing as TOO obscure to be used in a profile.

But they still didn't rip clips from gorath or godzilla final wars to make it like you said. It was all made entirely for the game. No clips were reused or taken. And a recreation(or inspiration) =/= the exact cut clip from the movie. And if toho took inspiration from something they made and then made a game scene similar to it,that doesn't make the game verison automatically illegitimate. Its just based off the scene. It doesn't lose it's validity.

 

[DMB_1]

Guys, the meteor in Final Wars was MUCH smaller than the one in the pachico games.

Also, in the "A Space Godzilla" novel book, Godzilla had ombat applocable Mid-High, but apparently the wikia didn't accept to use that source because it was too difficult to scale or something,.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@DMB I read the A Space Godzilla and Godzilla most certainly did not have combat applicable Mid-High

 

[DMB_1]

@DMB I read the A Space Godzilla and Godzilla most certainly did not have combat applicable Mid-High

The Alien General downright said: "estroy every single one of her cells, or else she will regenerate!"

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, thats why Godzilla has Mid-High in the first place but its in no way combat applicable