Upgrade alien x back to low 2c

[Electronic74947]

The Annihilargenesistoriafimiaorgost is labelled as low 2c for creation, the same weapon can't breach the force field created by the contumelia which we know refers to both creation and destruction as they are currently going to creating a universe and they created the damn thing and also said that its impossible to break through despite knowing that the the Annihilargenesistoriafimiaorgost can create a universal space time. However that same force field was breached using a alien x's Dna. So shouldn't this make alien x and by virtue the celestialsapiens race low 2c again.

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[DaReaperMan]

Creation, mate, not destruction. Destruction-wise it's High 3-A, as you'll see very clearly labeled on it's profile

 

[Electronic74947]

Creation, mate, not destruction. Destruction-wise it's High 3-A, as you'll see very clearly labelled on it's profile

Yes but the creation part should also scale to the force field as they say its impossible to breach, which should include the creation part of the bomb

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes but the creation part should also scale to the force field as they say its impossible to breach, which should include the creation part of the bomb

Creation needs some context to scale to AP, so why would this forcefield be scaling to Annihilargh's creation when that isn't even being used to attack anything?

 

[DaReaperMan]

"Note: The Annihilargh's destruction capabilities is rated as High 3-A due to the lack of evidence that it affected spacetime. In a later episode, the Mr. Smoothy mascot of the past is shown to have its original design while the present mascot is the one Ben recreated as Alien X, showing that Alien X didn't recreate the past."

This little devil of a note kinda shuts this upgrade down, I know another Low 2-C upgrade thread is being prepared with better evidence and arguments, which will be superior to this honestly kind of bad thread, no knocks against you, but I feel your arguments are weak.

 

[Electronic74947]

Creation needs some context to scale to AP, so why would this forcefield be scaling to Annihilargh's creation when that isn't even being used to attack anything?

The point of the force field is to protect the contumelia from the annihilargh's detonation if it accidentally went off in the ship which should outright create a universe as their isn't a current universe in place, also if we are going to get technical about it we know that the space between universes is black and the space outside the space and time is white so you can also argue the annihlarghs destruction should also be low 2c if we go that route

 

[DaReaperMan]

The point of the force field is to protect the contumelia from the annihilargh's detonation if it accidentally went off in the ship which should outright create a universe as their isn't a current universe in place, also if we are going to get technical about it we know that the space between universes is black and the space outside the space and time is white so you can also argue the annihlarghs destruction should also be low 2c if we go that route

If it goes off either way it's gonna be a High 3-A hit, not a Low 2-C one, the creation of time as a whole is moreso a metaphysical thing anyway, not a physical one, so simply somehow having creating all the matter in the universe again in one spot and having it expand would still be High 3-A while the time aspect is Low 2-C.

 

[Electronic74947]

If it goes off either way it's gonna be a High 3-A hit, not a Low 2-C one, the creation of time as a whole is moreso a metaphysical thing anyway, not a physical one, so simply somehow having creating all the matter in the universe again in one spot and having it expand would still be High 3-A while the time aspect is Low 2-c

so where does the time go then

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

There’s already a thread discussing this. This should be closed.

 

[Electronic74947]

There’s already a thread discussing this. This should be closed.

where? may i have a link

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

where? may i have a link

Here.

 

[Electronic74947]

Here.

i mean its not exactly the same as this but it should scale to tier 2 either way though

 

[DaReaperMan]

so where does the time go then

Through everything, really. It's metaphysical, it won't be effected by something vaguely physical like a forcefield without some pretty nutty Non-Physical Interaction. The forcefield wouldn't be tanking time's expansion because it was never even touched by it

 

[Lovemovies14]

Honestly way higher than Low 2-C, I have evidence.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Honestly way higher than Low 2-C, I have evidence.

Not the Low 1-C and 1-B stuff again, that's been debunked like 9 billion times...

 

[Aachintya31]

Not the Low 1-C and 1-B stuff again, that's been debunked like 9 billion times...

It's now 1-A with comic books

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's now 1-A with comic books

Ain't comics non-canon or something? Could be their own pages just so I can stomp them with Warhammer still

 

[Aachintya31]

Ain't comics non-canon or something? Could be their own pages just so I can stomp them with Warhammer still

Yeah but still

 

[Lovemovies14]

Not the Low 1-C and 1-B stuff again, that's been debunked like 9 billion times...

Well that basically ignores the lore and in and out of universe info that establishes why he'd be that high. I disagree with 1-B X though, that's too high according to VSBW's standards.

 

[Lovemovies14]

Also just because something got debunked doesn't necessarily mean it is automatically right.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well that basically ignores the lore and in and out of universe info that establishes why he'd be that high. I disagree with 1-B X though, that's too high according to VSBW's standards.

Low 1-C isn't a good fit either, as has been discussed in ridiculous detail over like 10-15 threads. Doesn't fit our standards.

 

[Aachintya31]

10-15 threads

For a character with 5 Appearances

 

[Lovemovies14]

Low 1-C isn't a good fit either, as has been discussed in ridiculous detail over like 10-15 threads. Doesn't fit our standards.

Still good imo, even the large cosmology they have would prove it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Still good imo, even the large cosmology they have would prove it.

Mate, I'm not going to argue this, I've had more than my fair of experience with Ben 10 cosmology threads, I've see Low 1-C not qualify in one's that don't suck, our tier 1 standards are pretty ****** strict.

 

[Lovemovies14]

I understand that and it's good you have strict standards, but I wish you all would respect the lore while editing because it clearly establishes why he should be higher. Also High 1-A is absolute highball for him. 1-C at most for him, nothing less nothing more.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I understand that and it's good you have strict standards, but I wish you all would respect the lore while editing because it clearly establishes why he should be higher. Also High 1-A is absolute highball for him. 1-C at most for him, nothing less nothing more.

If the lore doesn't qualify for our standards than we aren't throwing a character anywhere whatsoever, 7-A No Straight Roads is very weird lore-wise cause that's not what you'd expect the power for that verse to be, but it's got the feat to back it up. 5-B Warhammer Fantasy Incarnates is weird for the simple fact that they have the power to destroy the planet already, but it's got the feat to back it up and a lot of good scaling. This is the opposite, Alien X and the cosmology don't have proof that I've seen to break into tier 1(I've seen threads that haven't sucked), you need some pretty heavy proof of Transcendence or a qualitive difference or at least something along those lines to break into tier 1, and that can be damn hard.

 

[Lovemovies14]

Transcendence I recall means being outerversal and going beyond the concept of dimensionality. Again I think that it is too high, Low 1-C to 1-C from what I read is 5th to 8th dimensional in power and that doesn't transcend dimensionality.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Tranacendence is a vague term and by itself doesn't mean anything, let alone 1-A

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

The tier 1 arguments are laughable in general but interesting at best, even using dimensional tiering. Anyway, I'm getting a staff to close this because there's no point for this to be open.