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Speed equal
5-C for both
Take place in the Muken
 
Might have to go with Yachiru, unless ofc proven wrong

Cus she has All kinds of Kido.

She can keep Zoro in place with all kinds of Bakudo: Sajo Sabaku, Rikujokoro, Hyapporankan and Kuyo Shibari, then use insane Hado like Kurohitsugi and Goryūtenmetsu
 
How long before this turns into a skill argument. Anywho leaning zoro because his numerous amps and observation haki to aid in dodging certain kido as well as aid him in close combat
 
How long before this turns into a skill argument.
That won't be necessary, as much as I'd want that

Should've chosen Mihawk if you wanted to go there

Anywho, Unohana has soul invulnerability, which Haki can't interact with at all, so nothing Zoro does can hurt her. Meanwhile, one attack to his soul and he's toast.
Anywho leaning zoro because his numerous amps and observation haki to aid in dodging certain kido as well as aid him in close combat
Unohana starts in Bankai, so although she can use Kido, her main move is slashing dura neg corrosive blood that she surrounds the battlefield with, which she can do very quickly. I could argue the skillfulness compared to Zoro and argue how Zoro's gonna have a shitty time, but honestly this is a stomp as is, one of these kills Zoro from soul damage and Zoro can't hurt her because of the above.

Post-Unohana Training Zaraki would be more entertaining and thematic, but that wouldn't work either.
 
That won't be necessary, as much as I'd want that

Should've chosen Mihawk if you wanted to go there

Anywho, Unohana has soul invulnerability, which Haki can't interact with at all, so nothing Zoro does can hurt her. Meanwhile, one attack to his soul and he's toast.

Unohana starts in Bankai, so although she can use Kido, her main move is slashing dura neg corrosive blood that she surrounds the battlefield with, which she can do very quickly. I could argue the skillfulness compared to Zoro and argue how Zoro's gonna have a shitty time, but honestly this is a stomp as is, one of these kills Zoro from soul damage and Zoro can't hurt her because of the above.

Post-Unohana Training Zaraki would be more entertaining and thematic, but that wouldn't work either.
There have been one piece vs Bleach character threads before so I'm gonna assume OP characters can attack bleach ones

The dura neg blood may surround him but what EXACTLY does it do. Is it some blood touch you and you die hax?
 
There have been one piece vs Bleach character threads before so I'm gonna assume OP characters can attack bleach ones
They can't. Haki was never shown to interact on the soul level aside from Kenbun seeing souls. Some DFs could, but we're talking about Roronoa f**king Zoro, the dude with not a trace of a DF in his system. I honestly think they just saw the resistance to soul manipulation and thought "hmm, let's fight Bleach!" I honestly don't know how those matches even happened in the first place.
The dura neg blood may surround him but what EXACTLY does it do.
The blood is extremely corrosive and it melts you away, down to the bone
Is it some blood touch you and you die hax?
It wouldn't really be for a Bleach character seeing as fodder souls have immo type 2 and Kenpachi was fighting her without muscles on his body (albeit Unohana was also healing him) but uh, this is also on a spiritual level, meaning this is gonna hit Zoro's astral self, his soul is taking that damage.
 
She goes Bankai Domain Expansion and Zoro instantly became a skeleton via blood and acid manipulation
 
They can't. Haki was never shown to interact on the soul level aside from Kenbun seeing souls. Some DFs could, but we're talking about Roronoa f**king Zoro, the dude with not a trace of a DF in his system. I honestly think they just saw the resistance to soul manipulation and thought "hmm, let's fight Bleach!" I honestly don't know how those matches even happened in the first place.

The blood is extremely corrosive and it melts you away, down to the bone

It wouldn't really be for a Bleach character seeing as fodder souls have immo type 2 and Kenpachi was fighting her without muscles on his body (albeit Unohana was also healing him) but uh, this is also on a spiritual level, meaning this is gonna hit Zoro's astral self, his soul is taking that damage.
So to fight a bleach char, do you need soul manip only or NPI works fine too
 
If a character only has NPI for interacting with souls but has no soul manip, would it still be useless?
Well if they can touch souls I'm certain that would work, so long as they can harm them.

rn I'm on vacation, so I'm not in the best mindset in terms of specifics.
 
Well if they can touch souls I'm certain that would work, so long as they can harm them.

rn I'm on vacation, so I'm not in the best mindset in terms of specifics.
I also heard from other people that invulnerability can be bypassed with a higher dimensional AP. So would a 2-C character like Krillin (he has no soul manip or NPI against souls) can harm the average bleach character?
 
In AP only. A character who is 4D would have a higher-dimensional existence (which DB peeps don't have)
Yeah like in my original question
I also heard from other people that invulnerability can be bypassed with a higher dimensional AP. So would a 2-C character like Krillin (he has no soul manip or NPI against souls) can harm the average bleach character?
 
Wait then why is everyone here saying Higher dimensional AP can negate invulnerability?

They're DB fans, what did you expect?

Also the comment right below debunks that.

EDIT: I know this is talking about within 3D, but even if your AP is above their hax's dimensionality, it will not automatically bypass it. Someone with 4D AP can't harm someone who has AE type 1 on a 3D level unless they specifically have NPI for that abstraction (such as being able to touch concepts given that AE is conceptual in nature)
 
They're DB fans, what did you expect?

Also the comment right below debunks that.
So these comments are also wrong?


 
So these comments are also wrong?


Yes. You are being led astray by false prophets.

To be clear, specific invulnerability such as soul-based invuln would require you to have Soul Manipulation or NPI for souls, just being 2-C ain't enough, you need to be shown to hurt souls since it's essentially a way to bypass conventional damage. Higher dimensional AP cannot interact with everything in lower dimensions, such as NEP, AE, or types of intangibility that require NPI or invuln that requires a certain type of manipulation (such as Bleach's necessitating Soul Manipulation). Back to DBS, Hakai Energy can hurt souls because it was shown to do so, as well as Toei Ki Manip, but not regular. Invulnerability that's not bound or requiring of a certain hax to bypass is subject to higher dimensional AP however, since it's merely just "you can't hurt me" and not "you can't hurt me because you can't interact with me."

I'm not in my best mindset to explain accurately nor am I very knowledgeable on this kinda shit, but this is the best I can explain. If someone more experienced than I can correct me, that would be very helpful.
 
What's stopping me from closing this cause of it being a massive stomp?
 
That might need a Q&A thread with more knowledgeable members on the topic to be accepted before I do so. I can't open a closed thread cause of a one off comment (although I do agree with reaper)
 
That might need a Q&A thread with more knowledgeable members on the topic to be accepted before I do so. I can't open a closed thread cause of a one off comment (although I do agree with reaper)
Nothing really. It'd be best to seal the deal and put this on ice.

At least Johner didn't make this one this time
Can you guys talk in this thread? https://vsbattles.com/threads/can-higher-dimensional-ap-negate-invulnerability.175665/#post-6916229
 
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