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[Renitr]

[Problems with Lucian and Viktor]

Lucian
Current tier of Lucian is At least Wall level+ (because he traded blows with Viktor). After reviewing the Underwolrd: Rise of Lycans, I discovered a bunch of anti-feats. Overall, Lucian is superior to ordinary vampires, but not to the point where he can easily one shot them. And vampires can also fight with him and do damage to him.

1:27 (Ordinary vampires punches Lucian and apparently these blows cause damage)


7:17 (In this moment, it can be understood that Lucian fights with ordinary vampires (although at his current level, he should easily kill them)


Lucian traded blows with Viktor (who is at least Wall level+). This creates problems in power scaling of verse

So that's what I'm offering to solve this problem

All this is related to Lucian base form. In Lycan form he can easily kill and overpower Vampires
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And obviously, he should be comparable (if not stronger) to Lycan Krandrill and other Lycans who scales to Wall level+ (After all, Lucian is the first Lycan)

So I suggest changing his tier and add keys like this:

Base | Transformed

Base-At least Wall level (Because in overall he shown to superior to ordinary vampires, he can fight with groups of them), Wall level+ with weapons (weapons in verse allowing to damage and kill Lycans)

Transformed-Wall level+ in Lycan form (Should be comparable, if not stronger than Raze and Krandrill)

Viktor
When Viktor arrived in battle. He began to fight with Lycans with weapons
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Although as it was shown in Underwolrd 2003 what he can easily overpower and kill transformed Lycan Raze
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My suggestions: It's been a long time since Lucian and Viktor fought. I can't say that vampires get stronger with age in Underwolrd verse (because it wasn't mentioned anywhere). But Viktor should became stronger over time. It had been a long time since their battle with Lucian+he was hibernating. I propose to create two keys for Viktor's profile:
Underwolrd: Rise of Lycans | Underwolrd: 2003

Underwolrd: Rise of Lycans-At least Wall level (traded blows with Lucian), Wall level+ with weapons
Underwolrd:2003:- At least Wall level+ (Stronger than before. Easily overpowered and killed Lycan Raze)

I think this way will help to avoid problems with power scaling

[Sonja and 1th key Selene downgrade]

Since Sonja traded blows with Viktor but Viktor most likely did not fight at full power, because she's his daughter and he just wanted to disarm her (and now Viktor is at least Wall level), then Sonja downscales to Wall level

I mistakenly gave Wall level+ to Selene.

After thinking about it and reviewing her feats, I realized that she was somehow not scaled to Wall level+. She could just struggle with Lycans in base form (it's just LS). But she can easily kill groups of vampires in base fom+She has more feats in basie form than any vampire
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That's why I think she should be slightly superior to ordinary vampires and that's why she can be At least Wall level

Reworks

Lucian LS in first key should be At least Class 1 (Traded blows woth Vampires. Vampires scales to David 1th key, who can struggle with Lycans in terms of LS.

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Lycan can push car
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Viktor LS in first key should be At least Class 1 (Comparable, if not stronger than ordinary vampires. Traded blows and grappled with base Lucian)

Upgrades

Underworld

Underworld (2003) is a action horror film directed by Len Wiseman in his feature film directorial debut, from a screenplay by Danny McBride, based on a story by Kevin Grevioux, Wiseman, and McBride. The plot centers on the secret history of Vampires and Lycans. The main plot revolves around...

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Michael Corvin teared jaw of Lycan in this scene
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Tearing Jaw is Class 10 LS

Recalculation to tear off a human jaw

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Marcus Corvinus pulled down a helicopter
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This helicopter was used to land the squad+ it looks pretty big and looks like military type

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Strongest characters in this verse can easily push-throw cars, trucks, vans, so I think that Class 10 should be fine

Who scales
Marcus, Michael, 2th key Selene, William, 2th key David and Semira, Viktor 2th key, possibly Alexander, Marius and Quint should have at least Class 10 LS, because they overpowered and dominated against 2th key Selene

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Underworld

Underworld (2003) is a action horror film directed by Len Wiseman in his feature film directorial debut, from a screenplay by Danny McBride, based on a story by Kevin Grevioux, Wiseman, and McBride. The plot centers on the secret history of Vampires and Lycans. The main plot revolves around...

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Current speed level of verse is supersonic. But this is incorrect level. It does not correspond to reality of verse+there are no calculations

Accepted calc

Underworld: Selene dodges bullets

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Selene 1th key scales to subsonic

Who also scales

Lycans, who can keep up to her in combat and vampires, who can keep up to Lycans in combat

Lucian, Raze-comparable to Lycans, who can keep up to Selene in combat

1th key Viktor, Amelia, Sonja, 1th key David, Jacob Lane, Alexia, Eve, 1th key Semira, Thomas, Varga scales to Subsonic

2th key Selene, Michael, 2th key Viktor, 2th key David, Lena, possibly Alexander Corvinus, 2th key Semira, Marcus, William scales to At least Subsonic

Marius and Quint should be scales to At least Subsonic, likely higher (both superior to 2th key Selene)

3th key Selene sscales higher than Marius in terms of speed and she blitzes several Lycans.
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She should be At least Subsonic, likely much higher

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Seems good. Good job!

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright.

 

[ByAsura]

Seems reasonable.

 

[Renitr]

Seems reasonable.

While Vampires possibly don't grow stronger over time, doesn't this suggest that Lycans do, since there's only two generations of them from William? Or am I misremembering?

• SELENE: The war had all but ground to a halt in the blink of an eye. Lucian, the most feared and ruthless leader ever to rule the Lycan clan, had finally been killed. The Lycan horde scattered to the wind in a single evening of flame and retribution. Victory, it seemed, was in our grasp, the very birthright of the vampires. Nearly six centuries had passed since that night, yet the ancient feud proved unwilling to follow Lucian to the grave. Though Lycans were fewer in number, the war itself had become more perilous, for the moon no longer held her sway. Older, more powerful Lycans, were now able to change at will. The weapons had evolved, but our orders remained the same: Hunt them down and kill them off, one by one. A most successful campaign. Perhaps too successful. For those like me, a Death Dealer, this signaled the end of an era. Like the weapons of the previous century, we, too, would become obsolete. Pity, because I lived for it.

people who were bitten by William couldn't turn back into humans, (William's virus was strong) they were Werewolves-first generation. People who were bitten by Werewolves, bitten from William were turned in Lycans (William's virus did not have such a strong effect) and they could transform at will-the second generation.

Older, more powerful Lycans, were now able to change at will-To be honest, I do not know what this means. Because Lycans could always transform at will, that's why they were called Lycans. Isn't this a monologue from part 1? Maybe then the creators have not yet thought lore?

Then what should we do with Viktor and Lucian? If Viktor has always been At least Wall level+ and Lucian could fight him, although Lucian could be harmed by ordinary vampires (who's only wall level), so does this donwgrade level of entire verse?(
How to explain that Viktor fights with Lycans with weapons in Rise of Lycans, and after a time he easily kill transformed Lycan in Underwolrd 2003

 

[ByAsura]

I deleted that part before you posted. I forgot that the first two Underworld movies used Lycan and Werewolf interchangeably for a minute there.

 

[Renitr]

I deleted that part before you posted. I forgot that the first two Underworld movies used Lycan and Werewolf interchangeably for a minute there.

What do you think about adding keys for Viktor profile?

 

[ByAsura]

I'm kinda 50/50 on it, so I'll say neutral.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So I suggest changing his tier and add keys like this:

Base | Transformed

I'm fine with the changes

My suggestions: It's been a long time since Lucian and Viktor fought. I can't say that vampires get stronger with age in Underwolrd verse (because it wasn't mentioned anywhere). But Viktor should became stronger over time. It had been a long time since their battle with Lucian+he was hibernating. I propose to create two keys for Viktor's profile:
Underwolrd: Rise of Lycans | Underwolrd: 2003

While not mentioned, directly I do ultimately agree with your take. We know that from RoL to Underworld Viktor had more or less gained the head spot of the various Vampire Covens and his showings place him significantly above the rest of his kin. With stuff like changing the history to have him as the "Oldest" Vampire

Viktor. The oldest and strongest of us.

Underworld (2003)

Additionally to add to your point we have this line

Viktor's... and he's spent the last 600 years exterminating my species.

So Viktor has spent 600+ years focusing hard on killing Lycans. So imo him training offscreen or finding ways to get more powerful can be easily justified in-universe.

Since Sonja traded blows with Viktor but Viktor most likely did not fight at full power, because she's his daughter and he just wanted to disarm her (and now Viktor is at least Wall level), then Sonja downscales to Wall level

Good with me

That's why I think she should be slightly superior to ordinary vampires and that's why she can be At least Wall level

I can get this. Especially since Selene gets multiple amps and his superiority was generally skill rather than physicals in-of-itself to my memory. Though as a third-generation Vampire she's better than most of them.

Reworks

Lucian LS in first key should be At least Class 1 (Traded blows woth Vampires. Vampires scales to David 1th key, who can struggle with Lycans in terms of LS.
Lycan can push car
Viktor LS in first key should be At least Class 1 (Comparable, if not stronger than ordinary vampires. Traded blows and grappled with base Lucian)

I'm not against these reworks, but we should probably make it more obvious on how they scale to Class 1.

For example David should probably just be (Held off a Lycan, which can shove a car) or (Comparable to X, who's comparable to Selene who can snap necks). That way we don't get deep scaling chains and it becomes hard to find a source for the rating.

Military types helicopters weighs between 19,000 to 22,000 pounds

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The helicopter is a modified Eurocopter which weighs 4,300 kilograms (9,500 lbs). With gear I can see it maybe breaching 5,000 kg, but I'm not 100% sure if yanking it down would require 5,000+ kgf

Current speed level of verse is supersonic. But this is incorrect level. It does not correspond to reality of verse+there are no calculations

I'm fine with the upgrades. Though with the massive speed difference with the Van Dhor ritual (or however you spell it), Selene might be in the subsonic+ range

 

[Renitr]

I'm fine with the changes

While not mentioned, directly I do ultimately agree with your take. We know that from RoL to Underworld Viktor had more or less gained the head spot of the various Vampire Covens and his showings place him significantly above the rest of his kin. With stuff like changing the history to have him as the "Oldest" Vampire

Additionally to add to your point we have this line

So Viktor has spent 600+ years focusing hard on killing Lycans. So imo him training offscreen or finding ways to get more powerful can be easily justified in-universe.

Good with me

I can get this. Especially since Selene gets multiple amps and his superiority was generally skill rather than physicals in-of-itself to my memory. Though as a third-generation Vampire she's better than most of them.

I'm not against these reworks, but we should probably make it more obvious on how they scale to Class 1.

For example David should probably just be (Held off a Lycan, which can shove a car) or (Comparable to X, who's comparable to Selene who can snap necks). That way we don't get deep scaling chains and it becomes hard to find a source for the rating.

The helicopter is a modified Eurocopter which weighs 4,300 kilograms (9,500 lbs). With gear I can see it maybe breaching 5,000 kg, but I'm not 100% sure if yanking it down would require 5,000+ kgf

I'm fine with the upgrades. Though with the massive speed difference with the Van Dhor ritual (or however you spell it), Selene might be in the subsonic+ range

After thinking about it, I can agree that scaling of lifting strenght is weird.

David could restain Lycan with one hand
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But later, during the Lycan raid on the vampire hideout, it was shown that Lycan overpowered and killed David. And in general, ordinary vampires are shown to be weaker than Lycans. That's why I think ordinary vampires should scale to Class 1 LS (Alexia-ordinary vampire can snap neck)
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and Lycans to At least Class 1

Lucian and 1th key Viktor scales to At least Class 1 because base Lucian has been shown to be generally superior to ordinary vampires.

Rammed in two vampire guards
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What about tearing off a Lycan's jaw?
Is it possible to use calculation of force to tear human jaw for Lycan (wolf skull type) jaw tearing?

 

[Renitr]

But 1th key Selene and Lena shown that they can struggle with Lycans. They should have At least Class 1 LS
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And

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