Undertale: New Weakness.

[MicDaniel]

I found a weakness for determination.

During the genocide route Flowey states that he lost his ability to save and reload because of Char's determination, this means that the save/reload ability can be Nullified if Someone has more determination than Chara and Frisk.

Https://m.YouTube.com/watch?v=tGJeksEaV1Q

12:30 to 15:24 Flowey explains that people with greater determination can override others.

 

[A_Sword_Dancer]

That's not really something new.

 

[Blahblah9755]

Oh wow, we don't have that listed on their pages? It's such common knowledge amongst the UT fanbase, that I never noticed the profiles didn't include it.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It's not a weakness because Determination is a concept limited to Undertale. Simply being willed won't make you overpower ones' Determination.

The best we can do is to add it in verses fight so that only one character can have SAVE & LOAD, but I feel like it won't even be taken into account.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It's not a weakness because Determination is a concept limited to Undertale. Simply being willed won't make you overpower ones' Determination.
The best we can do is to add it in verses fight so that only one character can have SAVE & LOAD, but I feel like it won't even be taken into account.

Pretty much this. Determination (with a capital D or written as DETERMINATION) is not the same thing as determination (the actual word). The former is based on the concept of the latter, but having determination in Undertale does not mean you have DETERMINATION. For instance, during the final battle of the genocide route, Sans is determined to stop you. However, he is a monster, and most monsters do not naturally produce DETERMINATION. In fact, the only one known to is Undyne. Hence, in this instance, Sans has determination, but not DETERMINATION.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Yeah.

The only case this would apply would be in Undertale vs Undertale fights. But anyone who takes part in such thread would know this already.

And adding it in their weaknesses would just confuse some people into thinking Will can overpower DETERMINATION. This would cause more trouble than good imo.

 

[Blahblah9755]

Shouldn't we add it though (maybe with a careful explanation), since the point of the site is to index stats and abilities to better inform those who don't know them, not to make battles, and that is an important aspect of their abilities that comes into play several times throughout the game.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

While I doubt it, I'm gonna ask. Does verse equalization affect this at all?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The problem is, again, not only does this only apply to four characters who have pages here (one of whom doesn't even use it much), but it does not affect anyone outside of the verse, meaning unless two or more of those four characters are in a single battle, it will never come into play.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

While I doubt it, I'm gonna ask. Does verse equalization affect this at all?

Nah, since it's something produced internally by certain beings, and not a force that is directly tied to the verse itself.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Alright, good. My instinct was right lol. Alright. Since this is resolved, should it be closed?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Probably, yes.