Ultra Series - Another Lifting Strength Revision

[EddisherSound]

My first CRT of 2026, hooray!

Anyways
These calcs are accepted, so it's time to apply them

Class T​

The obvious ones are of course Ultraman, Ultraman Jack, and Ultraseven, as Ultraman performed the 'feat', Jack is portrayed to be comparable to Ultraman, and Ultraseven was stated to be stronger than Ultraman (3,361,147,090.56 Tons)

The other Showa Era Ultras, such as Ace, Taro, Leo, Astra, Joneus, and 80 would scale above this, as Ultraman Ace can fight and defeat Chojus, which are several times stronger than normal Kaiju, making them 3 times stronger than Ultraman's value (10,083,441,271.68 Tons). Every single Ultras listed after Ace have their own "Strongest Ultra Statement", so they would also scale

Aside from the Ultras, Kaijus that fought them would also scale, the monsters that fought Ultraman, Jack, and Ultraseven would scale to the Land of Light feat, while Kaijus that fought Ace, Taro, Leo, Astra, Joneus or 80 would scale to them

Class 25​

The people who scales are the human forms of Ultraman Tiga, Ultraman Dyna, and Ultraman Orb. Tiga's human form was able to fight Alien Raybeak, Dyna's human form should be comparable to Tiga's human form, as he is a member of Super GUTS, the successor of GUTS, the team Tiga's human form is a part of, and Orb's human form is comparable to Dyna's human form

 

[Random-Helper323]

If the calculations are accepted this should be fine. I can't speak to the scaling yet.

 

[GrayCraft_Dragon]

Daily Ultraman scaling

 

[TyranoDoom30]

I feel like this should only apply to the later stages/keys, as in the original show Ultraman struggled with even 200,000 tons. Otherwise i agree

 

[EddisherSound]

Capping Ultraman's strength at 200,000 tons from one anti-feat makes no sense, we see him throw around the 120,000 Telesdon like he weighs nothing. He can also walk around the Land of Light, which has a gravity 40 times greater than Earth's, meaning Ultraman would weigh over a million tons

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Capping Ultraman's strength at 200,000 tons from one anti-feat makes no sense, we see him throw around the 120,000 Telesdon like he weighs nothing.

200,000 tons vs 120,000 tons is a massive difference by thousands. Even then, he struggled against Telesdon. Sure, you can write off Skydon as a joke scene, but at the end of the day the whole episode is about his weight and how it's too heavy even for Ultraman. When the writers made those stats they didn't take into account the actual showcases.

meaning Ultraman would weigh over a million tons

Odd, then why is virtually every statement capping his weight at 35,000 tons? Gravity has no effect on mass and you know this well.

 

[EddisherSound]

200,000 tons vs 120,000 tons is a massive difference by thousands. Even then, he struggled against Telesdon

Not big enough of a difference when he literally throw Telesdon like this

Sure, you can write off Skydon as a joke scene, but at the end of the day the whole episode is about his weight and how it's too heavy even for Ultraman. When the writers made those stats they didn't take into account the actual showcases.

You mean the episode that have the SSSP act extremely out of character?

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Not big enough of a difference when he literally throw Telesdon like this

It's not that much. He just grabbed him and tossed him in the same space. Impressive sure, but not 200,000 tons impressive. While he manages to lift Skydon a little bit he ultimately fails.

You mean the episode that have the SSSP act extremely out of character?

Different writers, different interpretations.

 

[Peter1129]

Regarding the Skydon stuff. Tbh its not the first time that the series showed Plot Induced Stupidity that ignores an ultras' actual capabilities. Like didn't Tiga's writer Chiaki also say they didn't like the Sheela episode because Tiga remained wounded from a previous fight when that shouldn't happen to an ultra or something along the lines of that? Not to mention does anybody actually ever take the official Tokusatsu stats seriously outside of having it as a bare minimum low ball when they clearly show feats way above what their official stats have them as? And if anything at worst we can always just treat Man during his series as Class M, likely Class T.

Though if I'm being honest the actual problem I see with this would be the ultra physiology showing that ultras have resistance to gravity manipulation. Would having resistance to gravity affect the lifting strength calc in anyway?

 

[mgtsti]

Impressive sure, but not 200,000 tons impressive

Actually, there's a statement saying Ultraman can lift a 200,000-ton tanker.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Watching. I just can't say anything definitive yet because I'm unfortunately not well-versed in the scaling. Although then again, even with the series usually not touching lifting strength all that often, they do still include various flavors of brawn strength/arm strength as part of the multipliers so it shouldn't be completely waved off.

 

[WanderingGecko]

The Skydon feat is an outlier among the many instances where Ultraman has lifted and thrown Kaijus; several of those feats far exceed Skydon’s 200.000-ton mark (corrected by @TyranoDoom30). Additionally, the SSSP’s behavior was quite inconsistent, as noted by @EddisherSound.

Since the calculations have been accepted and the scaling is crystal clear, I agree with the proposed changes.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Skydon’s 120,000-ton

Skydon is 200,000 tons, not 120,000 tons. Skydon is the heaviest kaiju in the original show

 

[WanderingGecko]

Skydon is 200,000 tons, not 120,000 tons. Skydon is the heaviest kaiju in the original show

Thanks for the correction, but my point still stands.

 

[EddisherSound]

Bump

 

[EddisherSound]

Bump
Also

Though if I'm being honest the actual problem I see with this would be the ultra physiology showing that ultras have resistance to gravity manipulation. Would having resistance to gravity affect the lifting strength calc in anyway?

It clearly affects them in some way, considering the fact that Taiga said Planet Maijii's gravity "is perfect for increasing muscle strength

 

[Peter1129]

Bump
Also

It clearly affects them in some way, considering the fact that Taiga said Planet Maijii's gravity "is perfect for increasing muscle strength

Huh in that case would the Class T lifting strength be an outright rating or would it be a likely rating? Since their physiology grants them resistance to gravity which technically means the calc is affected by it as well right? Or is that not how it works?

 

[EddisherSound]

Personally, I'd argue for outright, though it's ultimately up to the staff that evaluates if it should be likely or outright

 

[Peter1129]

Personally, I'd argue for outright, though it's ultimately up to the staff that evaluates if it should be likely or outright

Guess we’ll have to wait and see then. Preferably outright though since having two ratings would look ugly when we finally got rid of all those other multiple rating tiers.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[EddisherSound]

Bump

 

[EddisherSound]

Bump once again

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Bro is cooking for Ultraman.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

I agree with the proposals.

 

[EddisherSound]

Bump

 

[EddisherSound]

BUMP

 

[Random-Helper323]

@Reiner04 @Imaginym what do you think?

 

[Reiner04]

Op looks fine.