Trevor Henderson Upgrades (again)

[Ktbro13]

Yes I'm... back at it again... but no tier 2 stuff just regular upgrades, anyways what are we waiting for? Lets just get straight into it.

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AP upgrades​

The verse should be upgraded to city/mountain level:

Cartoon Cat is the size of a small building here

The Giants are capable of ending the world (likely Planet level)

The smaller giants are larger then roads, several street lamps, trees, and houses (large building level)

The largest titans tare way larger than villages, cities, reach the size of mountains in some cases even their heads alone are larger than several small mountains (mountain level)

Speed upgrades​

Siren Head should actually be hypersonic

Intelligence upgrades​

"Possibly gifted" For Siren Head, he is the influencer of sirens and modern technologies and is at least 44 thousand years old.

And that's about it. Thoughts?

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

Why would Siren Head's speed even grow to the CUBE with his height, dude? Not only that, but the cartoon cat thing needs angsizing as the building is clearly farther, and the picture was taken at an angle instead of straight. For the smaller giants, their GPE (which requires a more solid size) would have to be calculated before any tier addition. On the "Giants are capable of ending the world" that statement can refer to human civilization, LIFE on Earth, or even to the surface of said planet. It's never said they can destroy the PLANET, only the WORLD, which doesn't justify planet level because it can refer to the world as the world turning uninhabitable or uninhabited. On the gifted Siren Head bit, the statement of him influencing modern sirens very clearly refers to the fact that humans looked at his abilities and inspired themselves to create said technologies, not only that but age doesn't give any intelligence rating. I disagree with everything.

 

[Ktbro13]

Why would Siren Head's speed even grow to the CUBE with his height, dude? Not only that, but the cartoon cat thing needs angsizing as the building is clearly farther, and the picture was taken at an angle instead of straight. For the smaller giants, their GPE (which requires a more solid size) would have to be calculated before any tier addition. On the "Giants are capable of ending the world" that statement can refer to human civilization, LIFE on Earth, or even to the surface of said planet. It's never said they can destroy the PLANET, only the WORLD, which doesn't justify planet level because it can refer to the world as the world turning uninhabitable or uninhabited. On the gifted Siren Head bit, the statement of him influencing modern sirens very clearly refers to the fact that humans looked at his abilities and inspired themselves to create said technologies, not only that but age doesn't give any intelligence rating. I disagree with everything.

Already did a calculation of Behemoth's size

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ktbro13/Trevor_Henderson_Height_Calc

Also its likely they were talking about "THE PLANET" cause the images were taking place on earth obviously, what else could they mean by that??
Everything else you said was fair I suppose but in all honesty I still stand by giving Cartoon Cat small building level scaling via size and I might in fact calculate that too

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Already did a calculation of Behemoth's size

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ktbro13/Trevor_Henderson_Height_Calc

Also its likely they were talking about "THE PLANET" cause the images were taking place on earth obviously, what else could they mean by that??
Everything else you said was fair I suppose but in all honesty I still stand by giving Cartoon Cat small building level scaling via size and I might in fact calculate that too

calced is flawed ngl why are you using an irl lizard base scan when the behemot hasn't been identify with any similar animal, or thing really. Either way I don't think we need a calc most of the wikis said his hobbie is literally eating mountains lol.

as for the gigants, its a mess, half of the sizes of the gigants are cut in half because we never seen them fully. For example day 17 should be at least 2K taller but we can't know as its body its literally coverd on fog, and we don't know anything about it, so its again a matter of speculation.

 

[Ktbro13]

calced is flawed ngl why are you using an irl lizard base scan when the behemot hasn't been identify with any similar animal, or thing really. Either way I don't think we need a calc most of the wikis said his hobbie is literally eating mountains lol.

as for the gigants, its a mess, half of the sizes of the gigants are cut in half because we never seen them fully. For example day 17 should be at least 2K taller but we can't know as its body its literally coverd on fog, and we don't know anything about it, so its again a matter of speculation.

I mean yeah, but they still should be mountain level, also there could be some moon level additions, since It is implied one of The Giants is the size of the moon.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

Already did a calculation of Behemoth's size

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ktbro13/Trevor_Henderson_Height_Calc

Also its likely they were talking about "THE PLANET" cause the images were taking place on earth obviously, what else could they mean by that??
Everything else you said was fair I suppose but in all honesty I still stand by giving Cartoon Cat small building level scaling via size and I might in fact calculate that too

And you NEVER thought about putting the calculation into the thread you were making? Not only that, but they could have meant CIVILIZATION when they said destroy the world, many types of media refer to civilization, habitability of the planet, or life on earth, or even earth's surface, in the same way as "Destroy the world," and not literally "Kaboom, earth's gone, planet level." understood? And I saw the calculation, and it's also BS, dude, firstly because behemoth is NOT human-shaped in ANY way and secondly because the pixel scaling is ALL wrong.

 

[Ktbro13]

And you NEVER thought about putting the calculation into the thread you were making? Not only that, but they could have meant CIVILIZATION when they said destroy the world, many types of media refer to civilization, habitability of the planet, or life on earth, or even earth's surface, in the same way as "Destroy the world," and not literally "Kaboom, earth's gone, planet level." understood? And I saw the calculation, and it's also BS, dude, firstly because behemoth is NOT human-shaped in ANY way and secondly because the pixel scaling is ALL wrong.

Not that it matters if the calc is wrong anyways, their hobby is eating mountains lol

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

Not that it matters if the calc is wrong anyways, their hobby is eating mountains lol

Makes sense, I didn't remember that. I think that would be pretty straight up on Mountain Level.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I mean yeah, but they still should be mountain level, also there could be some moon level additions, since It is implied one of The Giants is the size of the moon.

moon lvl dosnt work like that, scales dont match either way, it dosnt even say that its just a theorhy

 

[Ktbro13]

moon lvl dosnt work like that, scales dont match either way, it dosnt even say that its just a theorhy

Fair enough but then again Cartoon Cat is said to be able to destroy the world

Here's the scan too

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Fair enough but then again Cartoon Cat is said to be able to destroy the world

Here's the scan too

thats already on his profile as unkown methods, the problem is we had no method of destruction, time or even how tf would this silly goober destroy the planet. so it isnt usable sadly

 

[Ktbro13]

thats already on his profile as unkown methods, the problem is we had no method of destruction, time or even how tf would this silly goober destroy the planet. so it isnt usable sadly

Okay fine, so is mountain level okay?

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Okay fine, so is mountain level okay?

Yeah it is, tho idk if staff will ask for calcs

 

[Ktbro13]

Yeah it is, tho idk if staff will ask for calcs

Well we need to get staff in contact since mountain level is pretty agreed on

 

[Mythic381]

Cartoon Cat is the size of a small building here

Wouldn't this require a calculation?

The Giants are capable of ending the world (likely Planet level)

This is the same as Cartoon Cat.

far higher with Environmental Destruction (Could potentially destroy the world through unknown means)

There's no timeframe or method, so just indexing it as planet level is very disingenuous. This is also left very ambiguous, which leaves room to interpret in what way they are "destroying the world." Are they destroying planet earth? Are they destroying all life on it? Are they making the planet become uninhabitable?

The smaller giants are larger then roads, several street lamps, trees, and houses (large building level)

The largest titans tare way larger than villages, cities, reach the size of mountains in some cases even their heads alone are larger than several small mountains (mountain level)

Same thing as the building level one.

Siren Head should actually be hypersonic

Can I get more context regarding this? This seems like it's a calculation, so I think it would be better to make a full argument first with the calculation in it.

"Possibly gifted" For Siren Head, he is the influencer of sirens and modern technologies and is at least 44 thousand years old.

I don't see how either it basing it's head off of the sirens we invented, or us basing sirens based off of it's head warrants an intelligence upgrade.

 

[Oiguana2701]

Cartoon Cat is the size of a small building here

Needs a calc, and that's still 9-B at best.

The Giants are capable of ending the world (likely Planet level)

I can't access the scan, but the statement ''are capable of ending the world'' is the most vague statement there could be, and should never be used for scaling unless in specific circumstances.

The smaller giants are larger then roads, several street lamps, trees, and houses (large building level)

Literally can't access a single scan, but being larger than houses is 9-A at best.

The largest titans tare way larger than villages, cities, reach the size of mountains in some cases even their heads alone are larger than several small mountains (mountain level)

Being the size of something doesn't make you that tier.

Siren Head should actually be hypersonic

Needs to be put in the wiki and evaluated.

calced is flawed ngl why are you using an irl lizard base scan when the behemot hasn't been identify with any similar animal, or thing really. Either way I don't think we need a calc most of the wikis said his hobbie is literally eating mountains lol.

I'm ngl, Behemoth shouldn't receive a page at all, as it's impossible to really calculate its height and it's completely featless. Btw, that wiki is fanon, so it shouldn't be used.

I mean yeah, but they still should be mountain level, also there could be some moon level additions, since It is implied one of The Giants is the size of the moon.

That part is talking about the creation of a portal iirc, not a giant.

 

[Oiguana2701]

Btw, destroying mountains isn't even usually mountain level. It's small city level.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

I remain in disagreement with absolutely everything. Oiguana just used better logic than I (Because he smart), but those points, bro.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Btw, destroying mountains isn't even usually mountain level. It's small city level.

behemots are explained to cause multiple earthquakes cuz they live isnide the planet so

 

[Ktbro13]

Needs a calc, and that's still 9-B at best.

I can't access the scan, but the statement ''are capable of ending the world'' is the most vague statement there could be, and should never be used for scaling unless in specific circumstances.

Literally can't access a single scan, but being larger than houses is 9-A at best.

Being the size of something doesn't make you that tier.

Needs to be put in the wiki and evaluated.

I'm ngl, Behemoth shouldn't receive a page at all, as it's impossible to really calculate its height and it's completely featless. Btw, that wiki is fanon, so it shouldn't be used.

That part is talking about the creation of a portal iirc, not a giant.

I understand most of these arguments except calling Heroes Wiki fanon, it isn't and there's no fanmade character on the wiki either, also its not very hard to calculate his size and his main feats since his feat is emerging and breaking through the top of a darn mountain

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

behemots are explained to cause multiple earthquakes cuz they live isnide the planet so

Earthquakes below magnitude 5 are small city level though.

 

[Ktbro13]

Earthquakes below magnitude 5 are small city level though.

Fair enough but that only just makes him small city level which is good enough

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

I understand most of these arguments except calling Heroes Wiki fanon, it isn't and there's no fanmade character on the wiki either, also its not very hard to calculate his size and his main feats since his feat is emerging and breaking through the top of a darn mountain

He doesn't mean it as a fanmade character wiki he means it as "Their information is basically headcanon."

 

[Ktbro13]

He doesn't mean it as a fanmade character wiki he means it as "Their information is basically headcanon."

He didn't provide proof why

 

[Oiguana2701]

I understand most of these arguments except calling Heroes Wiki fanon, it isn't and there's no fanmade character on the wiki either, also its not very hard to calculate his size and his main feats since his feat is emerging and breaking through the top of a darn mountain

Basically what Greg the master of gods said. Nothing in there is actually proven, and it's just made up.

also its not very hard to calculate his size and his main feats since his feat is emerging and breaking through the top of a darn mountain

Not really. You'd need to find the specific mountain and somehow manage to find the exact angle.

He didn't provide proof why

Is there any proof that what the page says is true? The burden of proof falls on them to prove that's real.

behemots are explained to cause multiple earthquakes cuz they live isnide the planet so

Does the original post say that?

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

He didn't provide proof why

Then get me ONE reliable source that says stuff that is in their behemoth profile like him being 800 km, immeasurable mass, absolute stats or whatever they claim there, YOU need to prove something, not me unprove it bro.

 

[Mythic381]

I can't access the scan, but the statement ''are capable of ending the world'' is the most vague statement there could be, and should never be used for scaling unless in specific circumstances.

Spoiler: Scan

The world is ending again

Literally can't access a single scan, but being larger than houses is 9-A at best.

Spoiler: Scan

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Does the original post say that?

the most common scale for the behemot is 800KM tall, at leasts thats what every wiki says, so it would be common for him to actually cause this, tho again he has no feats

 

[Oiguana2701]

the most common scale for the behemot is 800KM tall, at leasts thats what every wiki says, so it would be common for him to actually cause this, tho again he has no feats

We cannot trust these wikis. They are NOT official. There's no proof, no calculations, nothing shown by those wikis that proves that size is true.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

No-feat and no official size merchant

the most common scale for the behemot is 800KM tall, at leasts thats what every wiki says, so it would be common for him to actually cause this, tho again he has no feats

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Spoiler: Scan

The world is ending again

Spoiler: Scan

actually the bird watcher dosnt meant harm to humans, in fact they live alongside it. the rest literally dosnt show any world ending stuff

 

[Oiguana2701]

Spoiler: Scan

The world is ending again

Spoiler: Scan

I'm ngl, I still can't see the scans, but what's in them? I'd just like a quick description since I can't evaluate them otherwise.

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

I'm ngl, I still can't see the scans, but what's in them? I'd just like a quick description since I can't evaluate them otherwise.

A bunch of pictures of the monsters, and then written below "The world is ending again."

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I'm ngl, I still can't see the scans, but what's in them? I'd just like a quick description since I can't evaluate them otherwise.

trevor actually made it clear they aren't danger at all

It’s amazing what people can and will adapt to, if given enough time. They had the evacuations down to a science by now, and even with an emergence, the fields kept them from doing any real damage. They didn’t even have to stop the trains this time, he wouldn’t be late after all.

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~ Trevor Henderson, telling the story of how the humans dealt with the first Giants.​

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[Mythic381]

actually the bird watcher dosnt meant harm to humans, in fact they live alongside it. the rest literally dosnt show any world ending stuff

Read the very last sentence. The post includes a sentence saying: "the world is ending again"

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Read the very last sentence. The post includes a sentence saying: "the world is ending again"

they said that, but as the story said, they didnt so shit, they literally adepted to them shortly after. also world isnt enough, that could mean over 10 things

 

[Mythic381]

they said that, but as the story said, they didnt so shit, they literally adepted to them shortly after. also world isnt enough, that could mean over 10 things

I'm not denying that. My point is that the post is saying the world is ending, which is the reasoning of it's usage.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I'm not denying that. My point is that the post is saying the world is ending, which is the reasoning of it's usage.

then ig so yeah

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

Read the very last sentence. The post includes a sentence saying: "the world is ending again"

Okay, even if it was written "Planet Earth is blowing up," WHICH IT ISN'T because it says the world is ending, which is stupidly vague...it would still most likely be hyperbole, it's written there
"A general rule is that if a claim is made that is completely out of league of anything ever shown in said universe (for example, if someone claimed to be a planet buster in a verse where the strongest feats were city busting), it's most likely a hyperbole."
In the hyperbole page, I think it DOESN'T apply here because it ISN'T a straight-up statement, but EVEN IF IT WAS A STRAIGHT-UP STATEMENT, it would still be worthless

 

[Mythic381]

Okay, even if it was written "Planet Earth is blowing up," WHICH IT ISN'T because it says the world is ending, which is stupidly vague...it would still most likely be hyperbole, it's written there

I still made it clear that I didn't imply that, in fact, I've implied the opposite.

There's no timeframe or method, so just indexing it as planet level is very disingenuous. This is also left very ambiguous, which leaves room to interpret in what way they are "destroying the world." Are they destroying planet earth? Are they destroying all life on it? Are they making the planet become uninhabitable?