Town-level Tiersetter Tournament, Round 9: Witch Hunter vs Raven

[Naito-desu]

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STAGE SELECT: YHARNAM

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MATCH RULES

• Speed is equalized by default
• Both start 50 meters apart in the center, SBA otherwise
• If a match is deemed inconclusive, the advancement will be decided on a coin toss. If this happens, a new opponent may enter after the stalemate begins.
• If a match is stalled due to a lack of votes, the host may declare an outcome at their discretion. These decisions are only for tournament purposes, not for profile additions.

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Witch Hunter {76.67 kilotons}: 0

Raven {71.98 kilotons}: 0

Incon: 0

 

[AnAverageUsername]

The magic user vs the dude meant for taking down magic users....

Well I've seen underdogs win tougher fights before

 

[Naito-desu]

Literal Witch vs Witch Hunter

 

[DaReaperMan]

Raven is so screwed lmfao

And the match is in Yharnam, dear god...

Well, this is a place I know, and it starts the Witch Hunter in stealth. But then again, you can follow the Witch Hunter by the trail of Beasts being burnt, so that's not much to say. The issue is that Raven has... nothing against the Witch Hunter doing the usual spamming his power null, calling her a ***** ass Heretic, and proceeding to drop her out of the Sky thanks to said power null which then results in... well, the best Torches are blessed by Aqshy. Raven is toast. Literally.

And that's not to say that if the Witch Hunter gets close after repeatedly denying Raven her basic ******* powers...

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Yeah whoop his ass Rae

Witch Hoonter FRA

 

[Naito-desu]

@Nonynho your girl is up

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I mean i feel like this is "Natural Counter: The Fight", but bump

 

[Naito-desu]

If the others don't show up I might have to call it

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean i feel like this is "Natural Counter: The Fight", but bump

Literally though, it's not like Raven is some exception to the rule, the Witch Hunter kind of lives for this sort of fight. The only thing he might not have seen before is the TK being as solid as Raven's, but at the same time adaptation is just as much a part of being a Witch Hunter as screaming "HERETIC" and burning a poor old grandma alive for accidentally handing out Warpstone.

 

[Nonynho]

Sorry everyone, couldn't come here earlier cuz i got very sick this week. If Witch Hunter just got through, i understand and y'all can ignore what's below

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How instantaneous is his magic null? Maybe if she combo's her magic styles to get him negg'ing the defensive one while she casts the laser she can get some damage through
Also, she usually can TK stuff to hit people with speed that scales to hers, so if he has to negg one spell at a time, she can eventually just yeet stuff at him (and Yharnam has a lot of yeet-able stuff), which can include things that may block the path between them (if he has to see her to counterspell or something like that)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Sorry everyone, couldn't come here earlier cuz i got very sick this week. If Witch Hunter just got through, i understand and y'all can ignore what's below


How instantaneous is his magic null? Maybe if she combo's her magic styles to get him negg'ing the defensive one while she casts the laser she can get some damage through

Instant. As in, the shit she used to make that magic beam or her TK just fizzles into nothing.

Also, she usually can TK stuff to hit people with speed that scales to hers, so if he has to negg one spell at a time, she can eventually just yeet stuff at him (and Yharnam has a lot of yeet-able stuff), which can include things that may block the path between them (if he has to see her to counterspell or something like that)

It's not necessarily limited to one spell at a time, it's just ripping the shit she uses into nothing. So for instance, the large barricade might just turn into nothing because her TK is no longer taking the KE for it to not obliterate itself.

plus, Witch Hunters have Peak Human constitution. They can take a lot of ******* pain before dropping, and when they want someone dead.... eh, shooting at them is as good a way as any.

 

[Nonynho]

Instant. As in, the shit she used to make that magic beam or her TK just fizzles into nothing.

But she doesn't use material components. You may be lead to think so because her standard equip section states "Spell Book" (idek why it is there) but she just needs her incantation sometimes, most of the time she just cast the spell and gg

Like, even if this guy dematerialize her spell book, she'll just use the spells regularly. And despite there being one time in season 1 where Red-X taped her mouth and she "couldn't use her spells" or some times that an opponent interrupted her incantation and the spell together, 80% of her **** is without the incantation so we can put this as PIS

 

[DaReaperMan]

But she doesn't use material components. You may be lead to think so because her standard equip section states "Spell Book" (idek why it is there) but she just needs her incantation sometimes, most of the time she just cast the spell and gg

Like, even if this guy dematerialize her spell book, she'll just use the spells regularly. And despite there being one time in season 1 where Red-X taped her mouth and she "couldn't use her spells" or some times that an opponent interrupted her incantation and the spell together, 80% of her **** is without the incantation so we can put this as PIS

You misunderstand.

Aethyr is yes. Aethyr is magic.

The magic that is making up her spells gets returned to the state it originally was in. Which is nothingness.

 

[Nonynho]

You misunderstand.

Aethyr is yes. Aethyr is magic.

The magic that is making up her spells gets returned to the state it originally was in. Which is nothingness.

• Power Nullification (Witch Hunters can recognize and disrupt the Winds of Magic, with either shouted prayers or classical dispells)

Both of those options really seem like they gotta do it more than once/once per spell, rather than making a continuous anti-magic zone, which can screw Rae up a bit but lead to her using TK, which is GG.
She is basically as intelligent and strategical as him, so she can (and will) use magic that she knows he'll dispell to distract him and get opportunities to use other magic to get damage through

 

[DaReaperMan]

Both of those options really seem like they gotta do it more than once/once per spell, rather than making a continuous anti-magic zone, which can screw Rae up a bit but lead to her using TK, which is GG.
She is basically as intelligent and strategical as him, so she can (and will) use magic that she knows he'll dispell to distract him and get opportunities to use other magic to get damage through

The prayers destroy magic in an area. The dispells delete magic in an area.

There is little to misconstruct about this.

 

[Nonynho]

The prayers destroy magic in an area. The dispells delete magic in an area.

There is little to misconstruct about this.

So if she shields and TKs inside of it, he'll be deleting/destroying both

Meaning she'll have to cast her spells before he casts his counters, which she can do, as there are plenty of times where she has a shield formed by the time other characters would have taken the damage (even though they scale to her speedwise), meaning, again, she can and will get screwed a bit by magic-cancelling but she can eventually overcome this with strategization with a handful of feats to back up that she's able to do it

 

[DaReaperMan]

So if she shields and TKs inside of it, he'll be deleting/destroying both

Meaning she'll have to cast her spells before he casts his counters, which she can do, as there are plenty of times where she has a shield formed by the time other characters would have taken the damage (even though they scale to her speedwise), meaning, again, she can and will get screwed a bit by magic-cancelling but she can eventually overcome this with strategization with a handful of feats to back up that she's able to do it

Is her shield within speaking range of him? Along with all of her other magical nonsense?

If the answer is yes, then she is not doing a magic today, because simply screaming "HERETIC" is enough for that dispell to happen.

 

[Nonynho]

Is her shield within speaking range of him? Along with all of her other magical nonsense?

If the answer is yes, then she is not doing a magic today, because simply screaming "HERETIC" is enough for that dispell to happen.

She reacted to a beam of light with ease, which i'm pretty sure is faster than that, so it is not impossible for her, in this equal speed scenario, to outspeed this word

And if he's deleting an area, she eventually can get what's going on and get into an area unaffected by him or just outrange him lol

 

[DaReaperMan]

She reacted to a beam of light with ease, which i'm pretty sure is faster than that, so it is not impossible for her, in this equal speed scenario, to outspeed this word

And if he's deleting an area, she eventually can get what's going on and get into an area unaffected by him or just outrange him lol

She's not flying, not teleporting, not anything. Also, she's relativistic and speed is equalized.

Raven is literally hard countered here. She loses her magic rhe moment the Witch Hunter knows she's a magic user and eats Flintlock to the skull while she's got nothing to cast magic with because he nuked it all. You can hear a Witch Hunter shout from beyond her range with magic attacks, which means he can null her from that far too.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Y'know the average Mashle character would still have the physicals to box back

Yeah, still don't know what Raven could do here, my vote is still solid for Witch Hunter McGee

 

[Nonynho]

Yeah, i'll concede instead of getting more and more specific in the wording and in the range section that if it's superior to kilometers you should fix it
gg