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manipulating an object's / element's sequence
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Tower of Saviors: What ability is this?
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Going to be have to be a bit more detailed on the explanation, this sounds like a verse specific thing that's going to need a bit of context to classify.
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basically Albert Einstein from tower of saviors, after managing to interact and manipulate the ''sequence'' of the elements, allowed him to slow and stop time as well as building up power in his punches through accumulation. all is done through this certain ability.
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No clue? Reality Warping? Going to have to bring more context then that to explain what a sequence is to get something more then that.
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here's the raw info.
“Einstein, don’t give up so soon. Feel the pattern of elements and make use of the power.”
A soft voice sounded in Einstein’s head. With the guidance of the voice, Einstein let the surrounding energy flood into his body.
“This is element...Is it talking?” Einstein relaxed his mind instinctively. For a moment, he felt like he had no solid body but blended into the environment. His consciousness drifted to a space with numbers everywhere.
“So this is the sequence of elements…” Einstein returned to the reality. Raising his arms, he conjured water element in his palm. Then it formed swirls, shooting outward.
The bullets touched by element were floating in the mid air, as if time was paused.
Right when Einstein’s defense met Aristotle’s attack, a devastating shockwave was released, blasting everything in the proximity away. Even Nicole had to hold a tree tight to keep herself steady.
Standing firm, Einstein successfully defended himself from the hit. Instead of getting provoked a wild grin appeared on Aristotle’s face. “You finally found the answer. Speeding up the time to accumulate elements in a very short period, so that you can have the overpowering strength to take down a strong enemy,” he said.
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Sounds like an extremely weird reality warping still, imo.
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A lot of different powers can be called "Reality Warping"; Most abilities are just a subset of it.
There's some other abilities involved, but it's a bit complex to figure out which. Enhanced Senses might be involved, since Einstein became aware of the "numbers" & how to manipulate this "sequence".
Based on the dialogue, time was sped up.... Or frozen? Or maybe there was Perception Manipulation or Subjective Reality involved?
There's some other abilities involved, but it's a bit complex to figure out which. Enhanced Senses might be involved, since Einstein became aware of the "numbers" & how to manipulate this "sequence".
Based on the dialogue, time was sped up.... Or frozen? Or maybe there was Perception Manipulation or Subjective Reality involved?
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I'm well aware. This seems like he's interacting with parts of reality, so that was just what I would've said.
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could it be mathematics manipulation, information manipulation or quantum manipulation?
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From what i am reading here wouldn't this just be some unique in verse system through which they use their abilities? If not it sounds like mathematics manipulation to me.
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I'd call it just a form of energy and elemental manipulation, with the addition of enhanced sense/esp/cosmic awareness or whatever, since he saw some type of fundamental law of reality or similar.
Maybe it can be also worded as mathematic or phyisics manip, but I'm not really sure.
Maybe it can be also worded as mathematic or phyisics manip, but I'm not really sure.
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It is a possibility but I need a comfirmation.
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The numbers thing sounds a bit cosmetic seeing how he didn't use it for anything.
It also looks like he shifted his consciousness into another elemental realm that exists on a mental plane of existence or something. From there he could access the power to use elements plus time seems to slow down when he's in that place. So from this excerpt, it looks like he gets elemental manipulation only. The rest of what was mentioned is just the process of how he uses his power. I'd say that's still pretty important to index if he gets a profile tho
It also looks like he shifted his consciousness into another elemental realm that exists on a mental plane of existence or something. From there he could access the power to use elements plus time seems to slow down when he's in that place. So from this excerpt, it looks like he gets elemental manipulation only. The rest of what was mentioned is just the process of how he uses his power. I'd say that's still pretty important to index if he gets a profile tho
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“Einstein, don’t give up so soon. Feel the pattern of elements and make use of the power.”
A soft voice sounded in Einstein’s head. With the guidance of the voice, Einstein let the surrounding energy flood into his body.
“This is element...Is it talking?” Einstein relaxed his mind instinctively. For a moment, he felt like he had no solid body but blended into the environment. His consciousness drifted to a space with numbers everywhere.
“So this is the sequence of elements…” Einstein returned to the reality. Raising his arms, he conjured water element in his palm. Then it formed swirls, shooting outward.
The bullets touched by element were floating in the mid air, as if time was paused.
he did the feats back in reality when bullets were fired at him and he used the water element to counteract the bullets causing the bullets to stop as if he stopped time.
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There's no clear context to what the numbers mean in that space. I have a feeling that this is better explained in a quote beyond this one.
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bump
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This is pretty much my thoughts as well. Even with the context given, I'm not 100% sure on what he'd get exactly.
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Yeah I'm sharing the same thoughts as Saman, Not sure exactly what this is but what he suggests sounds close to it?
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oof....anyone that I should call on to answer this then?
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Unless you can narrow down what an object's "sequence" is, it still sounds like reality warping/elemental manipulation
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personally still sold on reality warping because of how vague this is
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which also includes time manipulation
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Yeah also time manip. If there's nothing in the setting establishing what an object's "sequence" is I don't think it should be anything beyond that
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What franchise is this?
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I'd also like to know.
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azontr
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Uh yeah, just looked it up.
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yes. I also created a character profile for one of its characters already.
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Would it involve causality manipulation?
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From the context, it's just a version of element/energy manipulation.
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no, it never made any reference to any systems of cause and effects. It only made reference to manipulating sequence of the water element which allowed Albert Einstein to manipulate time itself.
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yes but actually no. he actually showed that he stopped time and speed up time in the raw info
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the way it is portrayed makes it sound like either a minor form of quantum manipulation or information manipulation or mathematics manipulation or physics manipulation and possibly law manipulation. but one thing is for certain, it allowed him to control time but that's it.
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Not enough information on the ability, and what little we have is too vague to really guess much on.
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Imho, I'd call the entire thing
- Cosmic Awareness for being able to enter a state of consciousceness where he sees the numbers that make reality or whatever
- Elemental Manipulation and Physics Manipulation for conjuring said elements, apparently controlling the laws of physics because he learned them by understanding their mathematical values or what type of definition you prefer
- Possible Time Manipulation for stopping the bullets. He indeed stopped them, but the text provided says "as if time was stopped", meaning that we aren't really sure it was exactly time stop.
- Cosmic Awareness for being able to enter a state of consciousceness where he sees the numbers that make reality or whatever
- Elemental Manipulation and Physics Manipulation for conjuring said elements, apparently controlling the laws of physics because he learned them by understanding their mathematical values or what type of definition you prefer
- Possible Time Manipulation for stopping the bullets. He indeed stopped them, but the text provided says "as if time was stopped", meaning that we aren't really sure it was exactly time stop.
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agree with all of this but as for the cosmic awareness, what he perceived was not the numbers that make up reality, rather the numbers that make up the elements, there are 2 separate contexts for the elements. one from a Taoist god. another from higher dimensional entities that the gods transcended.
the first:
“The "Taiji" creates yang and yin; the two forms stand revealed. By the transformations of the yang and the union of the yin, the 5 elements are produced, thereby occur 4 seasons, and ultimately the 8 trigrams.”
“Master, I don't understand.”
“Everything begins with its limitless state, my disciple.”
the second:
Ithaqua closed its eyes, let the consciousness leap across different time and space to get the necessary message. “It’s called mother love. My love for you is selfless, Daoloth my poor child.”
Ithaqua triggered the remaining energy; thick, green mist came out everywhere, eventually becoming a gigantic figure. After giving a hug, Ithaqua passed through and took away the power that affected Daoloth as usual.
However, the power was not sealed this time. Instead, Ithaqua transformed that aggressive energy into soft light, spreading over every corner of the realm, nourishing the entire world. This was called “elemental power” in the future.
the power that Ithaqua separated from Daoloth is referred to as "dimension twisting power"
“Of course. To find Ithaqua the gazer of fate, I’ve split into billions of crones to catch up its trail. It took me long enough to reach that dimension-twisting power Ithaqua took away from Daoloth.”
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Saman's post resonates well with me and makes a lot of sense.
