Tower Of God's first major addition

[BeTheWay1rst]

Shinsu is based on the concept that water is the source of lifand also an extension of that idea.

Shinsu is the source of everything and is also everything(life,matter/antimatter,soul,shadow, abilities,,,), shinsu is omnipresent and exist at every level of reality,

Spoiler: scan1

As Shinsu is the world itself, manipulating the world is equal to manipulating Shinsu

Spoiler: scan2

Shinsu is also independent as it exist as itself.
Having your shinsu drained get you erased

Spoiler: Scan3

Erasing the Shinsu of something also get that thing erased
Once in it's area of influence, even beings that aren't Shinsu become Shinsu(The Irregulars)

This should be enough to grant Type 1 Concept and Type 2 Information to Shinsu.

Agree with Type 1 Concept:
Agree with Type 2 Information:
Agree with both:

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Be free to ask any question

 

[Digital_Franz]

Shinsu is also independent as it exist as itself.

Uh yeah no. Nothing supporting your claim here. Too weak for Type 1 Concept.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Uh yeah no. Nothing supporting your claim here. Too weak for Type 1 Concept.

Why ?

 

[Digital_Franz]

Why ?

Because you don't have any scans showing that Shinsu is independent of reality. You just say it like that. Everything I see just gives Type 2 Concept.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Because you don't have any scans showing that Shinsu is independent of reality. You just say it like that. Everything I see just gives Type 2 Concept.

Shinsu exist as itself, it doesn't have to be anything else, shinsu also have a qualitative superiority over matter...

Affecting whatever is made by shinsu doesn't mean affecting Shinsu itself.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Shinsu exist as itself, it doesn't have to be anything else, shinsu also have a qualitative superiority over matter...

Affecting whatever is made by shinsu doesn't mean affecting Shinsu itself.

That doesn't mean anything in itself. Space existing as itself doesn't mean it's necessarily a Type 1 Concept. Furthermore, destroying space doesn't also affect the Type 2 Concept of space, and the same goes for other Type 2 Concepts. So yeah, that's not enough.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

That doesn't mean anything in itself. Space existing as itself doesn't mean it's necessarily a Type 1 Concept. Furthermore, destroying space doesn't also affect the Type 2 Concept of space, and the same goes for other Type 2 Concepts. So yeah, that's not enough.

Thread 'Questuon on Type 1 Conceptual Abstract Existence' https://vsbattles.com/threads/questuon-on-type-1-conceptual-abstract-existence.173888/
Post in thread 'Questuon on Type 1 Conceptual Abstract Existence' https://vsbattles.com/threads/questuon-on-type-1-conceptual-abstract-existence.173888/post-6834495

 

[Digital_Franz]

Thread 'Questuon on Type 1 Conceptual Abstract Existence' https://vsbattles.com/threads/questuon-on-type-1-conceptual-abstract-existence.173888/
Post in thread 'Questuon on Type 1 Conceptual Abstract Existence' https://vsbattles.com/threads/questuon-on-type-1-conceptual-abstract-existence.173888/post-6834495

Just because a concept is universal doesn't make it Type 1, no. As I said, universal concepts of space are by default Type 2. You have to prove that they are independent of reality to get Type 1. The post in question doesn't say anything that can help you here. Also, as the same person said, manipulating objects is not the same as directly manipulating the concept, which in your case means that affecting fire is not the same as directly affecting Shinsu.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Isnt there areas outside of the tower with no Shinsu?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Just because a concept is universal doesn't make it Type 1, no. As I said, universal concepts of space are by default Type 2. You have to prove that they are independent of reality to get Type 1. The post in question doesn't say anything that can help you here. Also, as the same person said, manipulating objects is not the same as directly manipulating the concept, which in your case means that affecting fire is not the same as directly affecting Shinsu.

Type 2:
You change all the objects? Then the concept changes as well.
You change the concept? Then all the objects change as well.
Type 1:
You change all the objects? The concept doesn't change.
You change the concept? All the objects change as well.

That's that's how you prove the type of a concept. The Type 1 is the exact description of Shinsu

 

[Digital_Franz]

Type 1:
You change all the objects? The concept doesn't change.
You change the concept? All the objects change as well.

You have to prove these two points and none of your scans do so.

 

[Arceus0x]

Yeah these scans have no mention of either concepts or anything that supports info hax. Additionally you don't get automatically erased when your shinsu is drained as otherwise Hell Joe would've auto erased everyone when he absorbed all the shinsu in the area.
This CRT is bunk. If you still think its salvageable then get a staff member here.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yeah... No, I don't see either CM 1 or IM 2, so I disagree with this.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Yeah these scans have no mention of either concepts or anything that supports info hax. Additionally you don't get automatically erased when your shinsu is drained as otherwise Hell Joe would've auto erased everyone when he absorbed all the shinsu in the area.
This CRT is bunk. If you still think its salvageable then get a staff member here.

Just cause a thing isn't named concept/ doesn't mean it isn't a concept/info.
Hell Joe only drained the shinsu outside

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Is outside of the Tower considered another universe? because there is absolutely areas that have no Shinsu and aren't defined by it outside of the Tower.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Is outside of the Tower considered another universe?

Yes. The Tower is a separate dimension inaccessible if you are not a Irregular