Touma VS Kirito

[Devil_slayer99]

so everyone here are interested in putting OP characters against each other so i wanted to see how this goes

it's not a fight to the death , so people can stop saying that IB give touma a plot armor

 

[GreatestSin]

what kind of fight is this if not to death? XD

who has more harem? more power? gets more hate by fans? more love? more hype?

 

[Devil_slayer99]

from what i recall the IB is a huge plot armor for touma so there a very little chance he lose in a fight to the death "at least as long as his enemies are not magic gods level " you can say until one of them fall unconsciousness

 

[LazyHunter]

from what i recall the IB is a huge plot armor for touma so there a very little chance he lose in a fight to the death "at least as long as his enemies are not magic gods level " you can say until one of them fall unconsciousness

It gets a bit tiring how people take that Othinus' quote that was just part of her torture of Touma literally, especially since Touma has the same level of plot armor a normal shonen or action movie protagonist has. Do people seriously expect the MC to die in every single fight?

Anyways, if you meant SAO/ALO Kirito then Touma breaks his magic swords and magic armor/coat before eventually losing, as Kirito should still be physically stronger even without his equipment. I'll take a while though, endurance and resistance to pain are one of Touma's big assets. Still worth it just to see his face when IB shatters his Excalibur into a million pieces, especially since it was a one-time drop.

GGO Kirito stomps because his weapons are a lightsaber and more importantly, a gun. Nothing magical about that.

Real Life Kirito though gets stomped hard by Touma. No challenge at all, as Kirito struggled with a scrawny nerd at the end of the GGO arc and outright lost that fight.

 

[GreatestSin]

^dont remind me, that was pathetic XD

@devilslayer

i think lazyhunter already said it, i still think a comparison of both chars about the things i said would be far more funnier

 

[Gemmysaur]

Would Kirito having his avatar body in this fight be counted as supernatural in nature and therefore under Imagine Breaker's "fck you" list?

If so, Touma pwnches Kirito with all the force of a harem lead with more than 9000 haremettes.

If not, Kirito cuts Touma with all the force of black-sporting teenage angst.

 

[LazyHunter]

^dont remind me, that was pathetic XD

Not Kirito's proudest moment, for sure. I've heard some people say he might have not finished with his rehab at that time, but I don't remember that being mentioned in the second season or the novels. To be fair, I don't remember much about the novels after I dropped them in the middle of the Alicization arc when it turned into Bleach.

 

[GreatestSin]

Would Kirito having his avatar body in this fight be counted as supernatural in nature and therefore under Imagine Breaker's "fck you" list?

kiriro is a digital body, he should be natural XD

^oh, it involves a gaint chicken as "dangerous enemy"? XD

btw, kirito was done with his rehab, but lets be fair, he is a kid who only meets his GF and friends in general in the game-world i doubt that this creates a lot of muscles

 

[Gemmysaur]

kiriro is a digital body, he should be natural XD

^oh, it involves a gaint chicken as "dangerous enemy"? XD

btw, kirito was done with his rehab, but lets be fair, he is a kid who only meets his GF and friends in general in the game-world i doubt that this creates a lot of muscles

He was done with rehab putting his body in manageable levels and still managed to pressure a nationals-level kendoka.


He still didn't train to put his body in Touma's superhuman athletic levels though.

 

[Devil_slayer99]

doesn't touma have a very high compat reaction speed ? kirito attack shouldn't be much of problem to him , also he have way more experience in battle "though i don't recall him fighting a sword man before "

kirito with his status and touma with his experience and reflex speed

that what i was thinking when i made this thread

 

[Devil_slayer99]

GreatestSi

touma stomp any characters in anime world if this is a harem battle so let get past that ....

 

[Gemmysaur]

doesn't touma have a very high compat reaction speed ? kirito attack shouldn't be much of problem to him , also he have way more experience in battle "though i don't recall him fighting a sword man before "
kirito with his status and touma with his experience and reflex speed

that what i was thinking when i made this thread

Kamijou Touma reflexes; Peak Human against mundane things, MHS+ against supernatural entities and attacks.

Touma is also a brawler through and through. He has no fighting style and relies on his high street level stats and quick wits to outdo an opponent.

Kirito, if allowed to be his avatar state without being counted as a supernatural entity for Imagine Breaker to throw a negating middle finger at, is supersonic with hypersonic reactions, and has a sword.

Go figure.

 

[Gemmysaur]

~snip

...Kirito struggled with a scrawny nerd at the end of the GGO arc and outright lost that fight.
Kirito, to be fair, only had a few months after rehab to acclimate to his body after being a living vegetable for 2 years prior. The, 8 or so months, after ALO was used for getting back into his education and social life.

 

[LazyHunter]

@devilslayer

i think lazyhunter already said it, i still think a comparison of both chars about the things i said would be far more funnier

Going by other comparisons you mentioned is subjective territory, but here's mine:

Harem: Kirito's harem can't compete with Touma's in quantity or quality. Touma's the superior harem gatherer. In fact, Touma vs GGO Kirito would probably end with trap Kirito in Touma's harem XD

Power: Kirito is generally physically stronger, Touma has a more hax ability and analytical skills. I've heard that Kirito and Asuna get a big boost of power at the end of the Alicization arc once they get past the Soul Society Arc rip off, but I don't know anything specific about it.

Love/Hate: No contest at all, despite the numerous Touma and Toaru haters they still can't mach the amount of hate Kirito and SWO get. I don't like the show that much myself, as I've mentioned I dropped the novels a while ago, but it's certainly a bit excessive. Both Kirito and Touma have done well in popularity polls, but I think Kirito gets a lot more hate than Touma in general. So I guess Touma wins here.

@Devil slayer99

Unless game Kirito's AP and Durability in this wiki are wrong, Touma's superior reaction speed and endurance/stamina can't really help him to win here. Touma can get some punches in and very likely destroy Kirito's swords and armor, but he's still physically outclassed by game Kirito. He has fought a few swordsmen before, that's nothing new. Kirito's sword are magical, so Touma can block them and break them with one touch.

So unless Kirito screws up and cuts Touma's right arm off, which is just a small chance, the only Kirito that Touma can beat is Real Life Kirito, which Touma would definitely stomp.

@Gemmysaur

He still didn't display much prowess in fighting in RL. Sure he was not in the best condition when he was going to rehab, but I think we all are using RL Kirito from second season, when that was over and still lost that fight. He's not really a fighter outside games.

 

[Gemmysaur]

I've heard that Kirito and Asuna get a big boost of power at the end of the Alicization arc once they get past the Soul Society Arc rip off, but I don't know anything specific about it.

Kirito is continental and relativistic at the point you are talking about here.

Also, which Kirito is this anyway? SAO Kirito has Elucidator (which is a demon sword so sure, it's magical or something), Dark Repulser on the other hand is dragon poop shaped into a sword (I don't see how that's magical). ALO Kirito has both black blades forged by Lisbeth but Excalipoor is magical for it's stat enhancement, methinks. GGO Kirito has a freaking lightsaber and a gun.

Regardless, Kirito knows hand-to-hand combat skills (learned it in SAO) and with the large stat gap, hits Touma with all the force of his Christmas sadness as Touma's MHS+ reactions only count for supernatural entities (which wouldn't affect Kirito himself since all of you count his avatar body as non-supernatural).

 

[LazyHunter]

Kirito is continental and relativistic at the point you are talking about here.

Also, which Kirito is this anyway? SAO Kirito has Elucidator (which is a demon sword so sure, it's magical or something), Dark Repulser on the other hand is dragon poop shaped into a sword (I don't see how that's magical). ALO Kirito has both black blades forged by Lisbeth but Excalipoor is magical for it's stat enhancement, methinks. GGO Kirito has a freaking lightsaber and a gun.

Regardless, Kirito knows hand-to-hand combat skills (learned it in SAO) and with the large stat gap, hits Touma with all the force of his Christmas sadness as Touma's MHS+ reactions only count for supernatural entities (which wouldn't affect Kirito himself since all of you count his avatar body as non-supernatural).

Wow, how did that happened? Did he get admin rights again or something?

Those are basically the same points I and others did. I think we all agree that except for the real Kirito, Touma loses because of the difference in physical stats.

I can't remember Touma's Precognition ever being stated to work only on supernatural entities. It works by Touma subconsciously noticing slight changes in the environment and the involuntary movements and ticks of the enemy to predict their attacks even before they begin to move. As proof, precognition worked with Rensa, a cyborg, until she started controlling her involuntary movements. This is why in the same fight Touma does better once Kakine goes down, making Rensa realize Touma fights better one-on-one: there's less info to filter and analyze.

But it doesn't matter anyway, since it works better for ranged attacks than it does for close-range fights, so the most Touma would get to do would be to break Kirito's swords before losing. I'm pretty sure most not-base weapons in SAO and ALO should be magical and increase the user's stats in some way as RPG weapons do, with Exaclibur being just the strongest of ALO's swords.

 

[GreatestSin]

GreatestSitouma stomp any characters in anime world if this is a harem battle so let get past that ....

"the best harem" doesnt only get decided by numbers XD i would say the quality of the girls matter too ^_^ but i dont have the slightest idea about the current harem of both chars, to stupid to remember

 

[Devil_slayer99]

GreatestSitouma stomp any characters in anime world if this is a harem battle so let get past that ....

"the best harem" doesnt only get decided by numbers XD i would say the quality of the girls matter too ^_^

LOL you think kirito harem have more quality ? i would choose one girl from kirito harem and throw the rest xD

 

[NotEvenHuman]

GreatestSitouma stomp any characters in anime world if this is a harem battle so let get past that ....

"the best harem" doesnt only get decided by numbers XD i would say the quality of the girls matter too ^_^

LOL you think kirito harem have more quality ? i would choose one girl from kirito harem and throw the rest xD

Touma's harem is superior to Kirito's in both quantity and quality, it's not even funny. The only girls in Kirito's harem with an interesting personality are Alice and Sinon. Touma has Othinus, Misaka, Kanzaki, Itsuwa, Shokuhou, and the list goes on.