Rafaam definitely gets his steal off, so this isn't it.
Yeah uh... Rafaam has stolen abilities granted by physiology such as draconic breaths and whatnot, so he can certainly steal things like RE and the Super form amps, and would almost certainly immediately use them.
Rafaam definitely lives through getting stamina broken because he straight up Withstood having his body torn to pieces and converted into energy, so he's definitely got the will to push through, plus, he can just evolve to resist it unless Saiyans resist eachother's RE.
It'd have to obliterate Rafaam and have Rafaam not see it coming and just like... teleport out of the blast radius.
Self-Destruct moves are in general leagues beyond other Ki attacks, and those can already vaporize comparable opponents if charged enough, SSJ4 Goku even thought blowing up would be enough to take out Omega Shenron despite his regen.
Unless whatever Rafaam has to do to use his power mimicry is faster than the simple act of Bardock looking at him, Bardock's RE is gonna kick in and let him resist it. His profile says that Rafaam likes to speak before activating abilities so Bardock should have more than enough time to see his ability and have his RE take effect.
He can "copy" super Sayian but he still needs S-cells in his body to transform and properly use it. For example, the Future Warrior can learn Super Sayian forms but can't actually use them unless they a Sayian themselves.
Stamina Break forces the target's body into exhaustion even if they have infinite stamina or Supernatural Willpower. The point is to leave foes staggered and vulnerable to strong attacks.
Sayian RE only works on special abilities/techniques so it can't evolve against things like physical strikes or basic KI attacks.
Type 2 immo doesn't help much when powerful Ki attacks can completely destroy foes on a level even peeps like Buu with Mid-High regen can't come back from.
Bardock would be angrier since not only would his abilities have been stolen but Rafaam also use ssj would likely fire up his Sayian pride which should give him that extra anger he needs to win in scenario 3.
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Does it make Rafaam literally unable to think or make gestures? If not, he can dodge it.
He does, but in this case from 4 kilometers away he probably couldn't be heard anyway so he wouldn't bother lol
So he steals some, specific things like that? Yeah Rafaam nabs it.
Yes, it does, but at the same time, Rafaam can still think and likely can still gesture, so he can teleport.
Fair.
Good thing Rafaam dodges, eh? It also needs to completely consume him and have him not react with Teleportation. Or make something to facetank it.
"Angrier" is subjective, keep in mind little annoyances rile up Rafaam to the point of yelling even when he was in a good mood not even ten seconds before. So pain, being at all tired, feeling like his plans are being at all foiled, etc, would all serve to make him unbelievably ****-ass Angron from 40K mad. And this would just sharpen him to return the favor on things like Stamina breaks if he wasn't blasting those out before.
Those who are in a "stamina broken" state can't use any of their evasive skills (Vanishes and all Evasives, which include thought-based teleportation and even time-skip).
Fair, this sounds like a probable incon or Rafaam then... Eh, to the inconclusive bin this goes! or very high diff Rafaam since he'd also be spamming stamina broken stuff. Catch me later on that one
erm... if it's an item it is GONE lmfao
Xenoverse characters can use their Information Analysis to see their opponent's skills and abilities with their naked eye. While they can use a Scouter for the same effect, they don't necessarily need one to use their Information Analysis.
He might as well since Bardock is gonna be zooming right too him. Regardless of if speed is equalized to Rafaam's Massively Hypersonic+ or Bardock's infinite, he's gonna be fast enough to cover the 4km starting distance quickly enough to be in hearing range.
S-cells aren't a part of Bardock's powerset, they're only something he has through his Saiyan biology. Like I said he can "copy" Super Saiyan but unless Rafaam can steal Bardock's DNA and put it into himself he's not gonna be able to use the ssj transformations.
That's what Stamina Break is for. He's not gonna be able to act while Bardock can charge up a Super Kamehameha (A normal Kamehameha is powerful enough to completely annihilate beings far superior to the user when charged) and completely engulf Rafaam with it to finish him.
And Rafaam just has to think. By the time Bardock arrives, Rafaam would have already stolen everything since he wasn't close enough to talk
Bardock when Rafaam steals all of his S-cells be like...(This legit might happen, but I assume he'd either make more or keep some?)
And the same goes either way so... yeh.
yes
Assuming both don't have Bardock's Infinite speed from the stat equalization, Bardock can vanish to Rafaam instantly as soon as the fight starts to be right up next to him.
The number of S-cells Sayians have depends on the composure of their own spirit and as I noted before even those who completely absorb Sayians and technically have S-cells in their bodys can't go ssj since their not Sayians themselves so Rafaam can't really take them directly from Bardock.
Even if so, Bardock would have a much easer time pulling it off being able to perform combos on chaining Stamina Breaks with charged up Ki attacks which should have properties similar to a Kamehameha.
That would require us to not equalize to the lower stats(going by how Speed Equal is handled), and also for Rafaam to not be infinite himself, since Bardock flies it'd look as normal to Rafaam
Considering Rafaam is all spirit and it's damn stable.. yeah. And if it's a will thing Rafaam has plenty of that shit.
...you do realize Rafaam would have those too, right? And would be using them immediately since he'd know most of his spooky shit wouldn't work?
Yep
That's not enough to use the ssj forms. He needs to already have S-cells in his body and since he's not Sayian and can't take them from Bardock, he has no way of getting them.
Like I said, Bardock would have a much easier time landing a powerful Ki blast on Rafaam even if they have the same abilities due to his fighting style incorporating stamina breaks and combos. Unless Rafaam completely changes his fighting style to match Bardocks, he's gonna have a harder time landing a powerful Ki blast on Bardock since he can't combo into them.
Just here to say Mira would have 0 diffed Bardock
Why would he not be able to take them from Bardock? Lol
If Rafaam is forced to Melee he tries to end things as fast as possible yeah, especially since he'd already be pissed.
That doesn't mean he's gonna start going instantly fighting like Bardock. Unless Rafaam changes his entire fighting style to whoever he copies, Bardock's is gonna have an easier time landing a Charged Ki blast first to win.
That didn't answer it. What does Bardock do without S-Cells?
He spams his opponent's moves, so yes he would absolutely just instantly use every stamina break move lol
Coming back to this, I really think this is the most likely outcome. It has been shown that thoses who directly copy/take the abilities of can't go Super since they're not biology Sayians. Even thoses absorb Sayians and have S-cells in their body can't go super since they're not biology a Sayian. The Future Warrior, who can copy basically every Dragon Ball skill, even rare genetic mutations, can even learn Future Super Saiyan and Blue regardless of their race even if they can not use those transformations if their not a Sayian. It is required to not only have S-cells from being born with Sayian DNA to physically be a Sayian to use the ssj forms. Once Rafaam copies Bardock he's probably gonna be in the same position of a non-Saiyan Future Warrior where he "copies" ssj but can't actually use it since he lacks S-cells and isn't biology a Sayian.
Then he can't use his Super Forms.
That doesn't mean hes gonna be using combos like Bardock to confirm him into stamina breaks. If anything it's gonna leave him vulnerable to counter attacks since stamina break needs to be charged up and the user can't move while charging up the hit. Bardock can take advantage of him trying to spam it by countering it with his own or with a Charged Ki blast.
And this is perfectly fine, the ONLY reason my vote is for Rafaam is that he's slightly more versatile
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And Rafaam can do the exact same and start clashing with the same moves lol. They literally know exactly what the other is capable of, and Rafaam's not a Ditto who will be dumb
Pretty much.
Put me on for incon rn.
nah 0-2-2 (Kappa moved his vote from Bardok to incon)
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