Tomboy Punchgirl vs. Tomboy Princess (Misako vs. Daisy)

[DimeUhDozen]

Speed Equalized
Both are 6-C - Low 6-B items are restricted
Battle takes place in an average boxing ring

Hot-Blooded Tough Girl:
HI I'M DAISY:
Incon:
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[koopa3144]

Following. I'll start this by noting Daisy is a bit stronger at 33.66 gigatons vs 16.713802820267687821 gigatons.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Following. I'll start this by noting Daisy is a bit stronger at 33.66 gigatons vs 16.713802820267687821 gigatons.

Misako upscales from that by quite a bit due to fighting a boss that had his strength amped significantly since his battle with someone who scales to the 6-C feat as well as possessing several accessories that amp her own strength.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Bump

 

[Flashlight237]

Right off the bat, Daisy's AP is more like 24.49 gigatons instead of 33.66 gigatons as she isn't a powerhouse like DK, Wario and Bowser. Just because an amateur heavyweight can harm a professional heavyweight doesn't mean they scale to the professional heavyweight. She's more like a technical character.

Second, nyehhh... Daisy is the second least skilled of the human ladies in the Mario series, ahead of Pauline but behind Rosalina (a literal god) and Peach (I mean, duh!). While she had a couple playable roles, her skillet doesn't go beyond sports, death games (Mario Party), and the usual "jump on the head" deal standard of Mario platformers. I think Misako wins this match just through sheer complexity alone.

 

[koopa3144]

I’ll reply in a bit, I’m gonna be away from a computer for a little while.

 

[koopa3144]

Right off the bat, Daisy's AP is more like 24.49 gigatons instead of 33.66 gigatons as she isn't a powerhouse like DK, Wario and Bowser. Just because an amateur heavyweight can harm a professional heavyweight doesn't mean they scale to the professional heavyweight. She's more like a technical character.

Pretty sure you'd have to make a crt for that cause Daisy does 100% scale to 33.66 gigatons. She is stronger then Peach who's comparable to Mario who is slightly physically weaker than DK. She also literally one-shots Bowser who is physically stronger then both Mario and DK.

Second, nyehhh... Daisy is the second least skilled of the human ladies in the Mario series, ahead of Pauline but behind Rosalina (a literal god) and Peach (I mean, duh!).

Daisy isn't unskilled, shes comparable to Peach and the Bro being able to fight evenly alongside them. She also held the Brick Wall Award for four consecutive years in a row which she likey had to defend from other strikers like the Bros, Wario, Waluigi, Bower, DK, etc.

While she had a couple playable roles, her skillet doesn't go beyond sports, death games (Mario Party), and the usual "jump on the head" deal standard of Mario platformers. I think Misako wins this match just through sheer complexity alone.

Daisy does have a few tricks up her sleeve. First, Daisy can cover the ring with flowers which causes foes who smell them to become confused and unactionable which would give Daisy the chance to whale on Misako or BFR her with a slap. She also has her Zone Speed to avoid attacks, Crystal Manipulation, Social Influencing, etc. So I would say she's far from uncomplex.

 

[Flashlight237]

Pretty sure you'd have to make a crt for that cause Daisy does !00% scale to 33.66 gigatons. She is stronger then Peach who's comparable to Mario who is slightly physically weaker than DK. She also literally one-shots Bowser who is physically stronger then both Mario and DK.

Okay, but...

1. You're asking to CRT one of two established scaling values. The lower one (24.49 gigatons) is more associated with more well-rounded characters like Mario and Peach, the latter who has a form with a multiplier directly bouncing off that figure. The latter is more associated with powerhouses like DK and Bowser. If one were to look at their stats across various sports titles (keep in mind that the baseball games' dedicated power stat is Batting), they would notice that Daisy is more like Mario/Peach levels than she is Donkey Kong's level, usually sitting firmly in the middle. This keeping in mind that the blooming numbers have a direct effect on how each character worked, almost as if the big N is hinting at how strong they think each Mario character is in a more evened-out playing field. Even without the blooming numbers, they made Daisy exactly as strong as Peach in every way in Ultimate down to the wire and put Daisy on the same bar as every playable character save for the Easy Modern in Super Mario Bros Wonder.
2. Yeah, the one-shotting thing only happens exclusively in Mario Party 3. In every other game she appeared in from Mario Tennis onwards, Bowser remained stronger than Daisy both in terms of gameplay and vibe (including the Mario Party titles that had you fighting Bowser as the final boss; heck, MPSS had everyone BUT Mario scared of Bowser), and even Daisy's two playable platformer appearances (the platformers being the frontrunners of the series) had her needing to put up as decent of a fight as everyone else against Boom Boom (Run) and Bowser Jr (Wonder), both serving as bosses weaker than Bowser. Consistency is key here, and consistency favors the weaker of two powers in this case.

And yes, this is all coming from the guy who was sour about the feat of Yoshi hitting Raphael in the nuts so hard it turned the dang bird into a constellation getting disqualified after it being the hill to die on for ages.

Aside from those grievances, I can understand the rest of the stuff written (although that crystal thing is unfortunately purely physical, dang it Nintendo!); it's just that Daisy isn't too well-established compared to guys like Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser, who provided a pretty good idea on their tactics and workings. Even Rosalina is better-established in that regard than Daisy and she first appeared in 2007.

 

[Livinmeme]

And yes, this is all coming from the guy who was sour about the feat of Yoshi hitting Raphael in the nuts so hard it turned the dang bird into a constellation getting disqualified after it being the hill to die on for ages.

what

 

[koopa3144]

1. You're asking to CRT one of two established scaling values. The lower one (24.49 gigatons) is more associated with more well-rounded characters like Mario and Peach, the latter who has a form with a multiplier directly bouncing off that figure. The latter is more associated with powerhouses like DK and Bowser. If one were to look at their stats across various sports titles (keep in mind that the baseball games' dedicated power stat is Batting), they would notice that Daisy is more like Mario/Peach levels than she is Donkey Kong's level, usually sitting firmly in the middle. This keeping in mind that the blooming numbers have a direct effect on how each character worked, almost as if the big N is hinting at how strong they think each Mario character is in a more evened-out playing field. Even without the blooming numbers, they made Daisy exactly as strong as Peach in every way in Ultimate down to the wire and put Daisy on the same bar as every playable character save for the Easy Modern in Super Mario Bros Wonder.

The thing is, Mario's profile out right says he downscales from DK. A crt should probably be made to clear this up.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah unfortunately Daisy pretty much entirely lacks an in-character, while she is pretty strong as far as Mario 6-Cs go having good reason to be comparable to Bowser, her skill feats in comparison to everyone else is nonexistent. Mario Party is great for dodging skill, but Daisy actually landing hits? Let alone against someone actually versed in hand to hand combat? Yeah Daisy is getting her ass kicked lol

 

[koopa3144]

Yeah unfortunately Daisy pretty much entirely lacks an in-character, while she is pretty strong as far as Mario 6-Cs go having good reason to be comparable to Bowser, her skill feats in comparison to everyone else is nonexistent. Mario Party is great for dodging skill, but Daisy actually landing hits? Let alone against someone actually versed in hand to hand combat? Yeah Daisy is getting her ass kicked lol

I wouldn't say Daisy doesn't at least downscale in skill from everyone else. She can keep up with and fight off other peeps in Strike which is centered around combat. She can also fight evenly along side everyone else in Wonder against the bosses.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I wouldn't say Daisy doesn't at least downscale in skill from everyone else. She can keep up with and fight off other peeps in Strike which is centered around combat. She can also fight evenly along side everyone else in Wonder against the bosses.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t really hold a candle to Misako’s jacked martial arts skill tbh.

 

[koopa3144]

Unfortunately, that doesn’t really hold a candle to Misako’s jacked martial arts skill tbh.

If we give Daisy her skill scaling thens she's ≈ to the other main Mario peeps like Peach who can beat master martial artist like Jinx even after he committed every move of the party to memory and powerful peeps like Culex.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

If we give Daisy her skill scaling thens she's ≈ to the other main Mario peeps like Peach who can beat master martial artist like Jinx even after he committed every move of the party to memory and powerful peeps like Culex.

That’s virtually nothing compared to her skill scaling to the Lee Brothers who mastered a martial art that’s so good, it’s a combination of basically every martial art, and other master martial artists from all around the world basically said, “yeah, I give up, you’re way better than me, I’ll join you actually” when they faced them.