Tokiha Misa's tier in the real world

[Yobo_Blue]

Is there any justification for 10-A? Also, that's not even close to enough justification for tranduality.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Huh. Wrong board.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I like how she has High-Godly regen for literally no reason.

 

[ALRF]

Ask A6colute

He's the one who made the page

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Messaged

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

More A6 stuff with no justification.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Let's not bring that in here.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm just pointing out a very noticeable pattern.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

A very noticeable pattern maybe, but one only used in my experience to demean someone. Although it is starting to get annoying, it's not something that should just be said in such a accusatory way. Better to take it up on a wall then on a thread.

IMO at least. I'd rather not have things be derailed with insults or retorts in any case.

 

[A6colute]

Is there any justification for 10-A?

A human with a bit of devils power is far stronger than usual humans (can bend an iron pipe or crush humans head by one hit). And devils are far stronger.

Also, that's not even close to enough justification for tranduality.

Why not?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That's actually 9-C

Because not only is that not really tranduality, but existing in a transdual realm =/= Being transdual, especially when its not their realm of origin.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I am pretty sure a vague statement about the paradise of illusions being "neither dream or reality" is not enough to warrant Transduality. Other than that, there seems to be no evidence of them transcending all binary concepts and opposing ideas

 

[ALRF]

What Ultima said

 

[Yobo_Blue]

You probably also have to justify the High-Godly and the Information Manipulation, and maybe the rest of the profile as well.

 

[A6colute]

That's actually 9-C

Not sure. And it's a big deal? I don't see a big difference between 10-A and 9-C.

Because not only is that not really tranduality

We have one of types of duality - reality-dream duality.

Dreamworld is beyond this type of duality.

Therefore dreamworld is transdual. By simple logic.

existing in a transdual realm =/= Being transdual, especially when its not their realm of origin.

There is a human, who can control dreamworld. Devils >>> humans.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

To be Transdual you have to transcend all opposing forces and binary concepts. Such as Existence and Nonexistence & Life and Death

Simply transcending a duality between two planes of existence that is established by the verse itself and which does not encompass all binary ideas is not remotely close to Transduality

 

[Yobo_Blue]

One shotting people is 9-C and crushing skulls is 9-B on occasion.

 

[A6colute]

there seems to be no evidence of them transcending all binary concepts and opposing ideas

Hmm, and where such proofs for other profiles with transduality?

 

[Bluetrekking]

According to DontTalk, you can be transdual in infinite ways and don't necessarily have to transcend all opposing ideas, concepts and forces.

 

[A6colute]

Simply transcending a duality between two planes of existence

Wait, wait, wait.

Dream and reality are not a two planes of existence, but two opposite concepts.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

@A6

Instead of using the fact that there is "no evidence" in other pages of characters with Transduality as an argument, what about you bring up some scans that actually show some evidence for real transduality in the verse other than some vague line?

That's... still no evidence for Transduality, whatever if they are concepts and not planes of existence

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Even then, I don't think that even controlling a transdual realm can make you qualify for Transduality

 

[A6colute]

One shotting people is 9-C and crushing skulls is 9-B on occasion.

I don't think, that it's really important. But if you insist, we can change her tier from 10-A to 9-C.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah it's probably better for accuracy. As for the other justifications?

 

[A6colute]

Even then, I don't think that even controlling a transdual realm can make you qualify for Transduality

Then what need to qualify for Transduality?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

In this context, being native to or one with said realm.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I agree that there is no evidence for transduality.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also the High-Godly thing has no scans and the profile uses a lot of hyperbolic statements such as "Cannot be killed".

 

[Ultima_Reality]

The profile in general has no evidence for none of it's statistics except AP

 

[A6colute]

As for the other justifications?

Information manipulation - because she can control Paradise of Illusion.

Regen - because even usual souls can survive after completely erasing from Paradise of Illusions and devils completely transcends those souls.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That sounds like it needs more context behind it

 

[A6colute]

That sounds like it needs more context behind it

If a soul was killed in the Paradise of Illusion, then this soul can immediately rebirth in the Paradise of Illusion (so, you cannot kill a soul in the Paradise of Illusion).

But if a soul was erased from the Paradise of Illusion, then this soul cannot rebirth in the Paradise of Illusion. But even then this soul doesn't disappear, but rebirth on another plane of existence.

 

[The_Everlasting]

That is just Mid-Godly.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

That's not High-Godly, my dude.

 

[A6colute]

That is just Mid-Godly.

Mid-Godly means, that you still not independent from the plane where you exist in the current moment.

Hmm, but maybe from Mid-Godly to High-Godly will works better.

 

[Kepekley23]

@A6

If they can't regen if the Paradise of Illusion is destroyed, it isn't High-Godly.

 

[The_Everlasting]

High-Godly would only be if these souls were erased alongside the Paradise of Illusion.

 

[A6colute]

If they can't regen if the Paradise of Illusion is destroyed, it isn't High-Godly.

If Paradise destroyed, than all souls in the Paradise is erased, therefore they will rebirth on another plane of existence.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Scans?

Also how does this connect to Tokiha?

 

[Kepekley23]

That sounds like a natural process.