Tier of Goku during the OGDB to DBZ timeskip or End of Dragon Ball Goku vs Beginning of Z Goku.

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

23rd Budokai

vs


Beginning of Z


HOW THE HELL IS GOKU LISTED AS LOW 6-B AT THE END OF DRAGON BALL AND 5-B AT THE BEGINNING OF Z!!!!!!! The Gokus I'm talking about are basically the same Goku! And if that's so why isn't 23rd Budokai Goku at most also low 5-B instead of low 6-B or the other way around! He was not training in the time skip and even if he was he wouldn't be planet level! VS Battles should get tiers right and also not just use the manga but also the Kanzenshu forums and Daizenshuu guides.

 

[PaChi2]

Backwards scaling?

Yeah, no.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

PaChi2, I'd rather you or any one not close any of my discussions unless I allow it. I'm here to ask questions, start thorough discussions, make sure that every tier is scaled correctly and provide more VS threads. AND WHY DID YOU F**KING CLOSE MY MAJIN BUU UPGRADE DISCUSSION, I WAS PROVIDING CLEAR EVEDENCE THAT BUU IS AT LEAST 4-A. But getting back to this topic, I would like to know how the same Goku can have different tiers! And Pachi2, have you or any of the staff who tiered Buu read the Dragon Ball guide books?!

 

[The_Everlasting]

You know there's a gap of five years between the end of DB and BoZ right.

Also, seriously, cool it.

 

[Schnee_One]

Because Goku at the end of the series is much stronger

Common sense

 

[ByAsura]

He clearly was training, proof is that he's comparable, if not superior to non weighted Piccolo, who spent all his time training at that period of time. Even weighted Goku is superior to End Of DB Goku, so that's more proof.

Even if he's not training, it's possible his body just got stronger by age, or even a zenkai from his piccolo fight.

What do you mean they are basically the same? Power levels aren't linear, King Piccolo to Piccolo Jr. is a 40pl difference, yet is millions of times in difference.

I will give it to you that there's a guide saying he can destroy moons though, so that could possibly be used.

Goku SoDBZ is 416, weighted he's 334, Goku at EoDB is 300.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

116 more does not exactly say to my that Goku increased his AP by 294622379.2 times! And Raditz makes more sense to be planet level because curbstombing the s**t out of Goku and Piccolo.

 

[ByAsura]

A 116 higher PL can possibly do that if a 312 difference can make a character jump from small building to planet level.

Piccolo performed the Planet Level feat, so either you're wrong, or I misunderstood the point.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

So shouldn't the character profiles say for the beginning of Z for Goku and Piccolo, low 6-B, low 5-B with the Super Kamehameha and Mankankosappo? Madara was given the same treatment.

 

[ByAsura]

This was a casual uncharged blast from Piccolo, not a charged blast with more power than piccolo - like the one used against raditz and the Kamehameha goku used against cell.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Sorry, I don't understand. And this is Goku within the timeskip. A really do acknowledge the five year time skip, the title even says though. Excuse me if I sound disrespectful, it's just that in order for this forum to well we need to be as skeptical as possible about feats.

 

[ByAsura]

That is understandable, however, DB is really big with random power ups, it's also pretty consistent with the later part of the saiyan, namek and frieza sagas.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Well I can say that Goku definitely is planet level after training with Kaio-sama and higher with the kaioken. Although it might be better to say for beginning of Z Goku and Piccolo High 6-B, low 5-B with ki attacks. But this definitely is a good topic to discuss

 

[ByAsura]

A casual attack from Piccolo isn't higher than his punches, a charged attack is. It's not Small Country Level physically, Planet Level with blasts, Just Planet Level.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Whoops, I meant up to low 5-B ƒÿ║, Also if that's the case why aren't 23rd Budokai Goku and Piccolo ranked moon level?

 

[ByAsura]

Because 23rd Budokai Piccolo doesn't have PL feats, only SC feats.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

But there are one and the same as BoZ Goku and Piccolo. This actually seems for like and ENOURMOUS PLOT HOLE AND INCONSISTENCY!! Perhaps in light of that BoZ and 23rd Budokai Goku and Piccolo should be tiered unknown or less than low 5-B.

 

[ByAsura]

Again, here's likely is a difference, as I explained before.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Yeah but not a big enough difference to explain how he is at least 249 million times more powerful!

 

[Huesito88]

A good explain of a little power is a big ap gap from power level is goku kaioken is 180000 who is planet level to Base form frieza who is 530000 and dwarf star+

 

[Theglassman12]

But there are one and the same as BoZ Goku and Piccolo.

This is the same thing as saying Aang from Avatar season 3 is the same as Aang from season 1. There's been a time gap between these two versions of aang, and the same applies to BoZ and EoDB Goku and Piccolo.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Yeah but not a big enough difference of power level to explain how he is at least 249 million times more powerful!

 

[Theglassman12]

You do know that a lot of people jumped the gap from tier 6 to 5 a lot in DB right?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

You know what, F*CK GOKU'S TIER DURING THE TIMESKIP!!!! I'M GOING TO INSTEAD MAKE A GRAPH TO CHART OUT POWER LEVELS AND AP!! I THINK THAT WOULD HELP VS BATTLES INSTEAD OF ARGUING OVER GOKU'S TIER!! And I guess this thread is closed now.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

How bout you just be banned for raging like this instead.

 

[ByAsura]

Yeah but not a big enough difference to explain how he is at least 249 million times more powerful!

Again, small building level is 10, Planet Level is 322.

Again, City Level is 260, Small Country Level is 300.

 

[ByAsura]

Shouldn't this be closed since he's banned now?