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Early part 6 GoH has a very silly scaling chain that pretty much nobody agrees with due to major retcons to its most important aspects and the large amount of inconsistencies that surround it.
But what I believe is even worse than the retcon is the ridiculous contradictions with in-universe scaling and general narrative.
Since we can't scale Ahans AP to previous characters the best course of action is to scale it individually. I made an (accepted) calc for Ahans best feat which puts her at High 7-C.
For speed we can use the already established fact of BP users being FAR stronger than non BP users. Mind you this difference was considered so significant that non-BP users were considered second class citizens and referred to as "dead batteries". Now while this obviously doesn't mean EVERY BP user is stronger than every non-BP user it should mean that Ahan, a trained fighter with one of the strongest BPs, should be far superior to Miras cousin, a regular non BP user without any training in combat at all. And Miras cousin has been stated to run at 185 km/s, or Mach 543 Massively Hypersonic. So while it is a lowball, it should definitely be usable until I find a way to calc some of the feats for a better speed value.
Now I was honestly hoping it will end here but it turns out Fanimers 4-C value is a cornerstone of most 4-C scaling in part 6. Funniest thing is that there isn't even any evidence of him having a direct contract and he straight up couldn't handle Garudas power.
Thankfully there is a simple solution that doesn't require any new calcs. We simply rollback the 4-C Fanimer upgrades
And that's about it. Hopefully. The thread is already too long to my liking so anything I didn't mention yet would have to go to a separate thread anyway.
Agrees: Nierre, Yeolban, Sir_Ovens, M2u12, Dark_Soul20189, Viott, DarkDragonMedeus
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Early part 6 profiles, mainly Ahan Dan, Mori Dan, Mori Jung, and Fanimer, are based off of scaling the characters to their borrowed powers full power. This is based on the idea that Ahan and Fanimer have direct contracts to certain gods which were originally said to grant you access to the gods full power. This however has been retconned later when the concept of "power lenderization" was introduced.
Power Lenderization is a higher level of Borrowed Power where you not only have a direct contract with the god but you're so a lineal descendant of the god himself which is said to make you reach the level of the power lender themselves thanks to your inherent harmony with them. We also later get evidence that Ilpyo, the person who introduced direct contracts and was the first on screen user of them, wasn't actually using his gods full power. We can prove this by him gaining much more of Hojosas power after the taboo is removed from the human genome in ragnarok, something that should have been impossible if he was already using his full power.
Similarly, Ahan didn't even realize she had more than 1 god despite having direct contract with the gods of fight, meaning she was canonically not using their full power despite the DC.
Power Lenderization is a higher level of Borrowed Power where you not only have a direct contract with the god but you're so a lineal descendant of the god himself which is said to make you reach the level of the power lender themselves thanks to your inherent harmony with them. We also later get evidence that Ilpyo, the person who introduced direct contracts and was the first on screen user of them, wasn't actually using his gods full power. We can prove this by him gaining much more of Hojosas power after the taboo is removed from the human genome in ragnarok, something that should have been impossible if he was already using his full power.
Similarly, Ahan didn't even realize she had more than 1 god despite having direct contract with the gods of fight, meaning she was canonically not using their full power despite the DC.
Main issue is that, well, Ahan is fodder.
Ahan is so much weaker than executive level characters that she can't even handle their presence without collapsing. We know executives are weaker than Bishops and Bishops are about relative to if not weaker than Ahans gods of fight individually.
We can also look at the level assigned to her by Mujins nanomachines. Ahan is level 7 while Mira who couldn't even dream of fighting any of the 3 natak brothers was level 28.
Generally Ahans gods of fighting are amongst the strongest Owner level gods with the god race being incomprehensibly stronger than the human race. Compared to her gods, Ahan is basically like an average human student compared to one of the strongest gorillas. This narrative is consistent throughout the entire series as even the idea of the heavenly realm opening a gate to earth completely terrified Mujin (who was one of the 6 strongest humans on earth at that point) and people he's relative to standing no chance against high level gods.
There is a LOT more evidence that can be used to contradict Ahan being god of fight level given how insanely inconsistent it is (pretty much like saying part 1 Sakura is on par with sage mode Hashirama) but I believe I already provided more than enough.
Ahan is so much weaker than executive level characters that she can't even handle their presence without collapsing. We know executives are weaker than Bishops and Bishops are about relative to if not weaker than Ahans gods of fight individually.
We can also look at the level assigned to her by Mujins nanomachines. Ahan is level 7 while Mira who couldn't even dream of fighting any of the 3 natak brothers was level 28.
Generally Ahans gods of fighting are amongst the strongest Owner level gods with the god race being incomprehensibly stronger than the human race. Compared to her gods, Ahan is basically like an average human student compared to one of the strongest gorillas. This narrative is consistent throughout the entire series as even the idea of the heavenly realm opening a gate to earth completely terrified Mujin (who was one of the 6 strongest humans on earth at that point) and people he's relative to standing no chance against high level gods.
There is a LOT more evidence that can be used to contradict Ahan being god of fight level given how insanely inconsistent it is (pretty much like saying part 1 Sakura is on par with sage mode Hashirama) but I believe I already provided more than enough.
Since we can't scale Ahans AP to previous characters the best course of action is to scale it individually. I made an (accepted) calc for Ahans best feat which puts her at High 7-C.
For speed we can use the already established fact of BP users being FAR stronger than non BP users. Mind you this difference was considered so significant that non-BP users were considered second class citizens and referred to as "dead batteries". Now while this obviously doesn't mean EVERY BP user is stronger than every non-BP user it should mean that Ahan, a trained fighter with one of the strongest BPs, should be far superior to Miras cousin, a regular non BP user without any training in combat at all. And Miras cousin has been stated to run at 185 km/s, or Mach 543 Massively Hypersonic. So while it is a lowball, it should definitely be usable until I find a way to calc some of the feats for a better speed value.
- Ahan scales to Mach 543 and the 796.13 Kilotons value due to literally performing the feat and taking countless hits from Mori Jung who could block the feat.
- Mori Jung scales to Mach 543 and the 796.13 Kiloton value base as he blocked her attacks, and scales to 1480 km/s (mach 4349 - Massively Hypersonic+) and 6.35 Megatons (pretty much baseline 7-B) with Jeabongchim x8 (an 8x multiplier) - this scaling is already in the profiles only the values change
- Mori Dan scales to the 185 km/s and 796.13 Kilotons value in his base form as Jung believed he's stronger than Ahan even after witnessing her full strength, higher in his Jin form, and up to the mach 4349 and 6.35 Megatons values with accelerated development as he managed to outgrow Mori Jung to the point where he blitzed and one shotted him despite the 8x multiplier. - this scaling is already in the profiles only the values change
- Dean scales to the mach 4349 and 6.35 Megatons values due to being a threat to Mori Dan - this scaling is already in the profiles only the values change
- Fanimer
is a certified fraud who doesn't scale anywhereig could hurt Mori Dan and kept up with Dean so he gets the same as Dean
Thankfully there is a simple solution that doesn't require any new calcs. We simply rollback the 4-C Fanimer upgrades
- Dusik Kim now goes back to being 6-A likely High 6-A
- Mujin is relative to Dusik so also goes back to the tier 6 scaling from part 5.
- Moris GoH finals key will be tier 6 as he scales to Mujin
- Base Dean does in fact not scale to Mori. He was getting stomped by him in base.
- Armorsuits Dean does scale to him so he gets the same tier 6 scaling. Now while I will point out that Mori was pretty fatigued at this point, I don't think he should he so tired he drops down an entire tier.
And that's about it. Hopefully. The thread is already too long to my liking so anything I didn't mention yet would have to go to a separate thread anyway.
Agrees: Nierre, Yeolban, Sir_Ovens, M2u12, Dark_Soul20189, Viott, DarkDragonMedeus
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