The World's Strongest Boy VS Dark Knight

[XxZetsuxX]

Epsilon vs Baki (Current)

Rules:

• Speed is equalised.
• Starting Distance: 10 meters
• Location: Abandoned City
• No prep time, Baki has prior knowledge on her invisible slashes
• Epsilon's AP: 45 Kilotons, 50 Kilotons with point technique
• Baki's AP: 15 Kilotons, Higher with Demon Back and several other amps

	Epsilon's advantages: Higher AP Better Stamina (Energy exertion) Higher Range Higher Skill Higher IQ	Fake Booba -
	Baki's advantages: Higher LS Better Stamina (Pain and injury tolerance) More Versatile More Experienced Prior Knowledge Better Amps More Techniques Better Decision Making	Daddy Issues -

 

[Delusionaltx2]

ur eplison img looks to be in the same plane of existence as her rack

following out of interest for baki

 

[XxZetsuxX]

ur eplison img looks to be in the same plane of existence as her rack

following out of interest for baki

 

[Da3ggman]

This girl does not have the skillslop to match Baki bro

 

[Zefra3011]

What is he gonna do against invisible ranged attacks? Can his anpr cover it? If yes, how?

 

[First_Witch]

"higher skill" when no skill debate happened is crazy work.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

"higher skill" when no skill debate happened is crazy work.

We can talk about it once we figure out if Baki can deal with invisible attacks then

Because i believe Epsilon as of now is superior

 

[Steve1775]

Why does the 15 yr old look like that

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Why does the 15 yr old look like that

Anime moment

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Why does the 15 yr old look like that

The author is h*rny and desperately craves female attention

 

[Da3ggman]

"higher skill" when no skill debate happened is crazy work.

Dawg we dont even need a skill debate, Baki shit stomps her in that category so hard it’s ridiculous.

Also as far as invisible ranged attacks he deals with it pretty easily, unless they’re like incorporeal and have no physical effect on the world.

 

[Zefra3011]

Also as far as invisible ranged attacks he deals with it pretty easily, unless they’re like incorporeal and have no physical effect on the world.

Mind explaining how?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Baki rivals in skill to shadow, most likely even surpassing him based on actual feats... Epsilon doesn't have anything rivaling Baki's combat skills (little long read)

That's all I'll say tho for now, I don't really remember much of her abilities

 

[Zefra3011]

I don't really care about skill right now. This shows him dodging with the absolute least necessary motion. But how does it help him react to or read her invisible slashes?

Even assuming he stomps her in skill, he still can't dodge stuff that don't exist from his Pov.

 

[Da3ggman]

I got guidebook statements I’ll post later, but basically he upscales dudes whose senses are so precise they can hear things move while blind and sense changes in the air in order to dodge and fight. Also invisible projectiles aren’t anything new to him, Retsu used air bullets in the Maximum Tournament and he beat him.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

bump

 

[Jigoshi]

I don't really care about skill right now. This shows him dodging with the absolute least necessary motion. But how does it help him react to or read her invisible slashes?

Even assuming he stomps her in skill, he still can't dodge stuff that don't exist from his Pov.

I don't know much about Epsilon, but if she has invisible slashes, Baki technically avoided all of Musashi's imaginary slashes if that counts. Baki has also sensed a fighting spirit nearby and avoided the attack before it happened.

Plus, Baki also dodged an attack he couldn't perceive or predict, and solely relied on instinctive reactions to counter it.


Baki, with ability/analytical ability, could also sense her by picking up her brain signals with Ultra High-level Sen No Sen. Of course, a 0.5-second unconscious also works by having a very accurate sense of when the opponent is going to attack.

 

[Zefra3011]

Just because he could dodge attacks he couldn't see it doesn't mean he can dodge ALL the attack he can't see, that's why I asked "how" before.

I'm just waiting for the scans about the senses and the air bullets and I'll see if they are applicable to Epsilon's slashes.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

bump

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Following.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Unfollowing.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

We are kinda still waiting for the Baki supporters to show scans on why he can dodge invisible attacks :/

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

We are kinda still waiting for the Baki supporters to show scans on why he can dodge invisible attacks :/

you want feats of him dodging attacks, that he can't perceive, consistently or comfortably

Right?

I guess I believe Baki would scale to Yujiro, who at all times is ready to dodge things out of his perception, even something like a lightning strike

 

[Zefra3011]

you want feats of him dodging attacks, that he can't perceive, consistently or comfortably

Right?

I guess I believe Baki would scale to Yujiro, who at all times is ready to dodge things out of his perception, even something like a lightning strike

How did he percieved the lighting? And why would baki scale to yujiro in this guard thing?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

How did he percieved the lighting?

From his instinct or senses, something Baki was beginning to learn in his earlier days

And why would baki scale to yujiro in this guard thing?

I guess because he is able to, in numerous ways, slip past his senses or guard, which is something Yujiro Hanma complimented as well about his unpredictability. In that Father vs Baki fight, Baki became relative and similar to his father

 

[Zefra3011]

something Baki was beginning to learn in his earlier days

He was still able to read the other person; at first, Baki at least experienced the technique once, and second, he could read some initial movements and stuff, he was seeing the guy.

In Epsilon's case, she can shoot them without the need for any body movement. She just needs to control her magic, which Baki can't perceive and therefore read.

So I don't think that feat suggests Baki can dodge Epsilon's slashes as it is.

I guess because he is able to, in numerous ways, slip past his senses or guard, which is something Yujiro Hanma complimented as well about his unpredictability. In that Father vs Baki fight, Baki became relative and similar to his father

Bypassing something doesn't imply you also possess it. So it doesn't show Baki having the same level of awareness as Yujiro.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Bypassing something doesn't imply you also possess it. So it doesn't show Baki having the same level of awareness as Yujiro.

read what I said at the end.

He was still able to read the other person; at first, Baki at least experienced the technique once, and second, he could read some initial movements and stuff, he was seeing the guy.

No, his eyes were fully closed, and he couldn't see anything at all when experiencing the technique the first time

In Epsilon's case, she can shoot them without the need for any body movement. She just needs to control her magic, which Baki can't perceive and therefore read.

She controlled the slime via the uses of her mana, she just moved fast enough to where he didn't notice her attacking with it

You can even see it yourself how afterwards her slime sword repears on her hand.

however she does use it here, but you can clearly see her throwing the slash, even the guy was able to clearly dodge it as well

So I don't think that feat suggests Baki can dodge Epsilon's slashes as it is.

Soo yee he fully does... Baki doesn't even need to see it to dodge her magic slash

 

[Zefra3011]

No, his eyes were fully closed

That's fair. But he still witnessed the technique once; it doesn't mean he can do the same against a technique he hadn't experienced prior. Epsilon has 3 times his ap.

She controlled the slime via the uses of her mana, she just moved fast enough to where he didn't notice her attacking with it

How do you know it's because of speed when she has invisible attacks in her kit?

however she does use it here, but you can clearly see her throwing the slash, even the guy was able to clearly dodge it as well

She did, it doesn't mean she must tho. And yeah, characters who can naturally READ MAGIC can potentially dodge them. Baki clearly doesn't apply to this last example tho.

 

[Jigoshi]

Here are some scans of Baki reacting to or dealing with attacks that are invisible or at least avoiding attacks that haven't happened that I found so far. (took me a while to upload them)
Baki dodges Musashi's imaginary slashes

Baki has also sensed a fighting spirit nearby and avoided the attack before it happened.

Baki also dodged an attack he couldn't perceive or predict, and solely relied on instinctive reactions to counter it.

There might be more but this is what I found so far.

 

[Jigoshi]

In Epsilon's case, she can shoot them without the need for any body movement. She just needs to control her magic, which Baki can't perceive and therefore read.

I brought this up before, but Baki has Ultra High Level Sen no Sen, an ability which allows him to pick up his opponents brain signal. Unless if she has a counter to something like that, he would be able to read her intent.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

How do you know it's because of speed when she has invisible attacks in her kit?

because of her slime, it's a speedy and stealthy fighting style

You can even see it yourself how afterwards her slime sword repears on her hand.

She did, it doesn't mean she must tho

You would have to prove that first, which you have yet to show. The only magic slash shown (I believe) would disproves that assumption

Baki clearly doesn't apply to this last example tho.

He does in other multiple other ways tho

 

[Zefra3011]

because of her slime, it's a speedy and stealthy fighting style

what?

You would have to prove that first, which you have yet to show. The only magic slash shown (I believe) would disproves that assumption

Actually, I never saw the sword reappear. But even if she does, how does Baki magically know an invisible slash is coming at him, even if he sees her moving her sword? Why wouldn't he simply assume she missed when shooting something out of swords is unrealistic for his verse, let alone magic in general?

I brought this up before, but Baki has Ultra High Level Sen no Sen, an ability which allows him to pick up his opponents brain signal. Unless if she has a counter to something like that, he would be able to read her intent.

I don't see it on the profile, and you didn't send scans.

Baki dodges Musashi's imaginary slashes

How did he read the attack?

Baki has also sensed a fighting spirit nearby and avoided the attack before it happened.

What's "fighting spirit"?

Baki also dodged an attack he couldn't perceive or predict, and solely relied on instinctive reactions to counter it.

I answered above to Monkey.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I brought this up before, but Baki has Ultra High Level Sen no Sen, an ability which allows him to pick up his opponents brain signal. Unless if she has a counter to something like that, he would be able to read her intent.

You made me remember the Gaia fight, Ohh yee btw isn't baki also able to do this?

第一章ザ・オールファイトコンプリート幼年編
アドレナリンと環境のすべてを利用するガイアに死角なし······ッ!!

↑ アドレナリンの流れを自由に操作するガイア。

ガイアはアドレナリンの操作により引き出した人間離れした潜在能力と、超危機察知能力で刃牙を攻め立てる。

Chapter 1: The All Fight Complete – Childhood Arc
Gaia, who harnesses every ounce of adrenaline and his surroundings, has no weak points...!!

↑ Gaia freely manipulates the flow of adrenaline.

Gaia attacks Baki using superhuman latent abilities drawn out through adrenaline manipulation and his extraordinary danger-sensing abilities.

More Baki dodges

What's "fighting spirit"?

Basically means to sense someone's intentions

Here's Gaia who does something similar

 

[Jigoshi]

How did he read the attack?

He sensed it and dodged the attack.

I don't see it on the profile, and you didn't send scans.

I didn't think I needed to send a scan. Weird how they didn't include it on his profile (They also didn't list it for Musashi's ability for some reason, too), but here is the scan.

What's "fighting spirit"?

It's not only referring to the actual person's spirit but also the actual danger and intent of the fighter.

I answered above to Monkey.

I can see that perspective for that time, but the main point was if he can actually at least avoid an attack he can't see. Current Baki, as already mentioned, can deal with attacks that are invisible at least from his perspective.

 

[Zefra3011]

More Baki dodges

I've got no clue what's going on.

Basically means to sense someone's intentions

Here's Gaia who does something similar

Sounds like Instinctive Action, but they still would need to know what's going on to feel it, I assume. He knew they were shooting at him, and later he could see the guy he was fighting against.

He sensed it and dodged the attack.

I'll rephrase: "How did he sense it?"

I didn't think I needed to send a scan. Weird how they didn't include it on his profile (They also didn't list it for Musashi's ability for some reason, too),

Eh, I know little about Baki, so if something isn't on the profile, I can't understand what you're talking about.

but here is the scan.

I see, do we have more examples of what he can use it for? Possibly, where he is shown to use this exact technique.

It's not only referring to the actual person's spirit but also the actual danger and intent of the fighter.

I should have replied above.

I can see that perspective for that time, but the main point was if he can actually at least avoid an attack he can't see. Current Baki, as already mentioned, can deal with attacks that are invisible at least from his perspective.

Baki is very skilled; I won't lie. My main concern was whether he had enough to dodge Epsilon's slashes. Just because someone can dodge one thing he can see it doesn't mean he can dodge EVERYTHING he can't see. Say someone might dodge attacks while blindfolded, but because he already knew the techniques/fighting style, this feat won't apply to stuff he doesn't have prior knowledge about. This is why I need to understand HOW he senses/perceives/reacts/reads during those feats.

Baki clearly can't read magic, so reading them via it is out of the question. He still can see her moving her sword, BUT he would need to figure out that magic is coming at him. Especially from a sword, I believe in Baki swords don't shoot stuff; he might just think she missed her attack. The brain signal thing might work, but I would prefer to know the extent of its practical uses because, in that scan, he reads a very specific brain signal rather than every possible one.

 

[Da3ggman]

Bro all my scans for the good sense slop is gone

Also question, does the magic make any sound/have physical presence? If either of those is true he can beat it no problem, if not then it's more in the air.

 

[Zefra3011]

Also question, does the magic make any sound

Not that we know.

have physical presence?

I mean, it cuts people. It applies force to things.

I would say it still moves air and stuff if that's what you're going for. If that's the case then he would need to know the air is being moved by a magical projectile coming at him rather than the swing of the sword. Both would move air and Baki would require to figure out there's another projectile coming at him. Since it's something unrealistic for his verse, he might not figure it out from the start.

 

[First_Witch]

Man, why are Eminence 9Bs so weak AP-wise, wank them up please

 

[Zefra3011]

We tried...

 

[Vzearr]

Baki has less skill then a character from the Eminence in Shadow? Yowzers.

you want feats of him dodging attacks, that he can't perceive, consistently or comfortably

Right?

I guess I believe Baki would scale to Yujiro, who at all times is ready to dodge things out of his perception, even something like a lightning strike

This was in a dream or something iirc.