The Wolf (SIAMÉS) Downgrade

[AThe1412]

This is an old ass profile and it has a few issues.

First, let's talk about the stats. The calculation for its AP is flawed from what I can tell.

1. It seems to be unevaluated. I know that it was made by @Mr. Bambu a long time ago, and could have been evaluated somewhere, but someone else should check it just to be safe. The page has been left relatively untouched for years. All of its edits are just formatting.
2. Even if it were accepted, the premise of the calculation appears wrong. It seems to assume that what the Wolf broke through was a solid stone wall instead of what's clearly an open doorway, which would change the result by a lot.

Unless the calculation is evaluated or fixed soon, the Wolf should be downgraded to baseline Wall level.
Edit: An accepted recalculation made by @Jason_Courne places the Wolf at 121,765 J (still Wall level but a lot lower than the original).

SIAMÉS: Wall busting Wolf

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I also find the ratings for its intelligence and LS rather questionable. It doesn't really showcase any feats that would warrant them. While the lyrics imply that the song is sung from the Wolf's perspective, there's nothing proving that it is directly speaking to its prey or having abstract humanlike thoughts. You can maybe argue that ramming through stuff should give it Superhuman LS, but that's more of an AP feat. Therefore, the Wolf should be downgraded to Animalistic intelligence and Unknown LS.

Next, let's talk about abilities. Duplication is the only one that I find problematic, mainly because there's no actual evidence that the Wolf even has this ability.



This is when the Wolf supposedly showcases Duplication. There was only one wolf chasing after the guy, but then more started appearing until there were 11 of them (not counting those two wolves that were going after the two other people in the video). We only see them show up without knowing where the hell they came from. There's no indication that the one Wolf somehow multiplied into multiple wolves here. What's more likely is that there's more than one wolf and all of them sensed the dude's addiction, which prompted them to start pursuing him together. Even assuming that the Wolf can actually multiply, its numbers still wouldn't reach "dozens" as the profile says. When you take the time to count the number of wolves that show up, there are only 13 of them (including the two that were going after those two other people, even though they seem like entirely separate instances). There could have been more of them at the end, but it wasn't made clear how many there were, since most of them were shrouded in shadow, so we can only use the number that actually appeared.

Agree: @Mr. Bambu, @FinePoint (AP and Intelligence downgrade/adding possibly Average intelligence)

Disagree: @Mr. Bambu, @FinePoint (LS downgrade)

Neutral: @Mr. Bambu, @FinePoint (Duplication removal/adding possibly rating)

 

[AThe1412]

Bump.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Wait, this music video had a profile? I didn't know we were allowed to do that.

 

[AThe1412]

Wait, this music video had a profile? I didn't know we were allowed to do that.

There's also a profile for the Arizona Ranger from Big Iron.

 

[IDK3465]

There's also a profile for the Arizona Ranger from Big Iron.

Damn it, I wanted to make that profile…

But uh, yeah, music characters are allowed on-site so long as they have actual lore and feats and all that good stuff. Hell, we used to have Vocaloid profiles before they got removed for being composites

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Damn it, I wanted to make that profile…

But uh, yeah, music characters are allowed on-site so long as they have actual lore and feats and all that good stuff. Hell, we used to have Vocaloid profiles before they got removed for being composites

Interesting.

 

[MannyQ361]

SIAMÉS: Wall busting Wolf

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Here's an evaluated recalc for the Wolf's feat.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Calc does need fixing. If there's a new calc... even that one, then it'll do.

I know I'm the guy who made it but I'd stand by duplication being basically fine, every time they enter those dark patches more wolves emerge than those that entered, duplication seems the most straightforward assumption. I'm not gung-ho about it though.

LS is fine, Superhuman is for anything clearly above human abilities that does not have a known point we can put it at.

I'm fine if you really want to downgrade Intelligence, I'd interpret the lyrics being at least a paraphrased version of their thoughts but it's open to interpretation. I'll sign off on it.

 

[AThe1412]

Calc does need fixing. If there's a new calc... even that one, then it'll do.

I know I'm the guy who made it but I'd stand by duplication being basically fine, every time they enter those dark patches more wolves emerge than those that entered, duplication seems the most straightforward assumption. I'm not gung-ho about it though.

LS is fine, Superhuman is for anything clearly above human abilities that does not have a known point we can put it at.

I'm fine if you really want to downgrade Intelligence, I'd interpret the lyrics being at least a paraphrased version of their thoughts but it's open to interpretation. I'll sign off on it.

To summarize, you agree with AP + intelligence downgrade and disagree with LS downgrade + duplication removal?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'd more call myself neutral on the duplication thing, I think it's basically implied but given the nature of the "verse" it's hard to call it concrete. I wouldn't call this a straightforward CRT, so you'll need another mod, so although I lean towards keeping duplication, I'm willing to agree with their consensus if they feel strongly about it one way or another. Otherwise, you got it right.

 

[AThe1412]

I'd more call myself neutral on the duplication thing, I think it's basically implied but given the nature of the "verse" it's hard to call it concrete. I wouldn't call this a straightforward CRT, so you'll need another mod, so although I lean towards keeping duplication, I'm willing to agree with their consensus if they feel strongly about it one way or another. Otherwise, you got it right.

In that case, would you agree with a compromise in the form of a likely/possibly rating for duplication?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

In that case, would you agree with a compromise in the form of a likely/possibly rating for duplication?

If it comes to that. I'd still like to see what the second opinion, whoever that ends up being, has to say on it.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

a piledriver from downtown

@FinePoint

 

[FinePoint]

I think Superhuman LS is fine since they clearly demonstrate strength well beyond a human even if we can't exactly calc the LS portion of it with a feat.
It's not really my job to determine the accuracy of calculations, so I'll just say that if Bambu concedes his own calculation is worse than the other accepted one then changing to it is logical.

For the intelligence we should probably change it to a Possibly since it's literally unclear whether the lyrics are their actual thoughts or just an abstract metaphor.

For duplication, it also feels to me more like there's multiple wolves showing up rather than one wolf splitting into many copies, though it does feel like the darkness itself is what's spawning them, which leads to numerous other questions about the lore here. That said, I don't feel super strongly about it since it's extremely vague, so I'd also be okay with a Possibly here. When scaling a verse based entirely on a highly stylized three minutes, it seems logical that there'd be a lot of Possibly going on.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I think Superhuman LS is fine since they clearly demonstrate strength well beyond a human even if we can't exactly calc the LS portion of it with a feat.
It's not really my job to determine the accuracy of calculations, so I'll just say that if Bambu concedes his own calculation is worse than the other accepted one then changing to it is logical.

For the intelligence we should probably change it to a Possibly since it's literally unclear whether the lyrics are their actual thoughts or just an abstract metaphor.

For duplication, it also feels to me more like there's multiple wolves showing up rather than one wolf splitting into many copies, though it does feel like the darkness itself is what's spawning them, which leads to numerous other questions about the lore here. That said, I don't feel super strongly about it since it's extremely vague, so I'd also be okay with a Possibly here. When scaling a verse based entirely on a highly stylized three minutes, it seems logical that there'd be a lot of Possibly going on.

I'm content with that. And my own calc is incorrect on at least one basis, yes- I'd meant to go back and fix it later but never got around to it, but that fortunately isn't necessary now.

 

[AThe1412]

I think Superhuman LS is fine since they clearly demonstrate strength well beyond a human even if we can't exactly calc the LS portion of it with a feat.
It's not really my job to determine the accuracy of calculations, so I'll just say that if Bambu concedes his own calculation is worse than the other accepted one then changing to it is logical.

For the intelligence we should probably change it to a Possibly since it's literally unclear whether the lyrics are their actual thoughts or just an abstract metaphor.

For duplication, it also feels to me more like there's multiple wolves showing up rather than one wolf splitting into many copies, though it does feel like the darkness itself is what's spawning them, which leads to numerous other questions about the lore here. That said, I don't feel super strongly about it since it's extremely vague, so I'd also be okay with a Possibly here. When scaling a verse based entirely on a highly stylized three minutes, it seems logical that there'd be a lot of Possibly going on.

Thanks for commenting. I'll update the votes and apply the changes soon.