The verse pages' tier listings

[Antvasima]

I wonder if we should restructure the verse pages that arrange the character profile links by supposed order of power ("God Tier", "Top Tier", etcetera) by groups, types, and/or factions instead?

There was a recent very popular YouTube video attacking us for this, and Dark649 says that more of the same may be planned, so it would at least give us one less problem to worry about.

 

[Reppuzan]

I would support this, but it would be a rather difficult task, given that we'd probably be revising nearly every verse page, and we'd need members knowledgeable of each verse to do so.

I can handle all the verses I know, but I'm not sure how to help out the others.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

While I always prefer that option when making verse pages, it probably won't stop the criticism we will recieve in the future. Fans and surfers on the internet are extremely sensitive over fictional franchises nowadays and that video is a perfect example......overreacting and trash talking upon us over a character we know very little about......fans and debaters alike. If they won't criticize us for our tier list, it's probably the way we rate the characters. We should categorized the character by how comfortable we are with the list while also being logical with their placement, which we have been for the most part.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Dino

That's a good point. It might be more trouble than it's worth to restructure the dozens of existing verse pages.

We're going to get flamed either way, so while it's my personal preference that pages be organized according to factions and allegiances, revising these pages over a pointless complaint isn't exactly worthwhile.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that is a good point, yes. However, the tier lists give the uninitiated a much easier frame of reference for their attacks against us than going through profile by profile and comparing statistics.

 

[FanofRPGs]

How about we do it like this:

For verses most people would know or research (Halo, Saint Seiya, DBZ, Marvel, DC). We divide by faction or era or canon. For verses we don't know, we re-arrange them by alphabetical order, and hopefully some person knowledgable on the verse will come in the future and re-order it. How does that sound?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that might be a good idea.

 

[KinkiestSins]

I am not big fan of tier lists on the sole grounds that it could misrepresent us and our main mission (which is to make accurate profiles)

It is just an lazy mans, but effective way to attack our community since to put it bluntly, I have the same problem with the one piece tier list. IE: Why is this character in this tier? Tldr, too subjective and too opinionated to begin with, probably just best to report the power of the verse in tiers instead of characters in say, god tier or top tier.

IE:

Naruto Verse God Tier: 5-B to 5-C Top Tier: High 6-A to 6-B

Etc etc we can go down like this forever.

But if that seems like too much work or impractical, then lets just get rid of the tiers in general.

 

[FanofRPGs]

I think the rule should be like this.

• It should be advised when you are editing profiles on his/her/its verse page, that you should order and link the profiles in accordance to either their faction, race, canon status, or continuity, given what's most suitable. In the case you should not know such information, it would be reccomended that profiles be ordered by their name in Alphabetical Order

 

[KinkiestSins]

I think the rule should be like this.

I can concede to this too.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I kinda liked in-verse tier lists. It let us know who was the top and trash (bluntly speaking) of the verse. I mean, for example, a random passerby sure as hell won't think Zeno is the almighty being of Dragon Ball when intimidating beings like Shenron and Cell exist. And who'd think that a llama in a fence would be a super haxxed 2-B being?

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be upset getting rid of it, not would I put up a fight. Just putting my two cents in.

 

[FanofRPGs]

I kinda liked in-verse tier lists. It let us know who was the top and trash (bluntly speaking) of the verse. I mean, for example, a random passerby sure as hell won't think Zeno is the almighty being of Dragon Ball when intimidating beings like Shenron and Cell exist. And who'd think that a llama in a fence would be a super haxxed 2-B being?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be upset getting rid of it, not would I put up a fight. Just putting my two cents in.

If a person goes on the Dragon Ball page and sees

Gods

Zen'o

Beerus

Whis

...

They would probably guess Zen'o has some authority and power. Same with Arceus, seeing that they find him in Legendaries section

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Pokémon doesn't have a legendary section. They're arranged by generation, and Arceus sits at the literal bottom of his.

And Beerus looks much more supreme than Zeno. Heck, even Cus does. So even just limiting it to Gods would still lead into speculation.

And that would solve beings like Kaguya, Whitebeard, Yhwach, Zeref, etc.

 

[FanofRPGs]

Pokémon doesn't have a legendary section. They're arranged by generation, and Arceus sits at the literal bottom of his.
And Beerus looks much more supreme than Zeno. Heck, even Cus does. So even just limiting it to Gods would still lead into speculation.

And that would solve beings like Kaguya, Whitebeard, Yhwach, Zeref, etc.

I think it should go like this, if preferrable

Games

Gen IV

Normal Pokemo

Legendary Pokemo

 

[Promestein]

I've never liked the tier lists. It's better and more organized to sort them by faction / generation / story. There'll always be people who whine, though.

 

[Ryukama]

I agree with Prom and Ant.

I think for Dragon Ball we can one group for the main Z Fighters, then separate the rest of the groups by which saga they debuted in "Namek Saga", "Cell Saga", "Buu Saga", "Universe Survival Saga", etc.

One Punch Man is quite easy. We can do it by Hero Rankings and Disaster Rankings. "S-Class", "A-Class", "Dragon Level", "Demon Level", etc.

 

[Antvasima]

Just a quick reminder that I will go on vacation later today, so it will be hard for me to organise any verse page revisions. As such, help would be very appreciated.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

For DB, I think you could separate them by faction instead. Like for example, Androids, Frieza Force, Babidi's Group, Z Fighters, Red Ribbon Army, Namekians, Gods, Angels, etc.

 

[Ryukama]

Faction is fine as well.

 

[Antvasima]

I am also fine with Howard's suggestion for Dragon Ball.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'm all for this change. It's been bugging me for the longest.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

I am all for arranging characters by faction. I'd be glad to help with the verses I'm knowledgeable about.

However, I would like to add: No matter how much we change or improve our system here, people will continue to bash us. We just have to accept that.

 

[Antvasima]

@Soldier Blue

Yes, of course. However, this at least makes things less convenient for them.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Then they will bash us for removing tier lists from verses pages. You cannot win with these people. Neutral on this issue though, leaning towards it may be a lot of work with not much gain.

 

[Golden_Void]

What if we sort it by faction/affiliation, but sort that very list by strongest to weakest? For example if there was a Konoha section, Iruka wouldn't be the first guy you see, and Sasuke at the bottom of the list. It would kill two birds with one stone.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that would likely leave us with much the same problem as before.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I would prefer listing the more important / notable characters on top. I also prefer Verse pages with factions. It looks cooler and more professional to me, I think. Would approve of this even without bashing.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

The bashing itself doesn't matter.

However I generally prefer arranging them by faction or other in-universe concept way more then as a tier list. It better represents the verse, its lore, world and characters and can severely cuts down on pointless threads about the tiering of said character on an arbitrary list.

 

[Golden_Void]

Could we sort it by affiliation - rank for additional structure, instead of dropping random people everywhere because they belong to a group? As it is, it seems like the page was randomly organized.

Ex Konoha

Kages (1-7)

Jonin

Chunin

Genin and below

 

[Soldier_Blue]

@Unite my Rice

It would be best to do so on a case by case basis. Whatever works well for Naruto besides what we have now, go ahead I say.

Also, we really should rearrange the characters in Fairy Tail by guilds and races (like dragons). Because I have issues with the current tier list. And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.

 

[Antvasima]

From a practical standpoint, this would also allow us to not constantly update the tier list whenever we modify any character statistics, and in cases when they have similar statistics, whoever is stronger turns subjective.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'll do Dragon Ball later tonight, simply because I like doing this kind of stuff.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'll do Dragon Ball later tonight, simply because I like doing this kind of stuff.

But I wanna do it. ;-;

The question is, do we still use the images?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I hate the Dragon Ball Verse page images. They are all bland renders.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Images do make the files look a lot better overall.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Matt

I agree.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I hate the Dragon Ball Verse page images. They are all bland renders.

Ryu's gonna take offense to that ovo

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Maybe we could find some cool artwork of the Dragon Ball cast members similar to how I do the Sengoku Basara page?

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Dragon

I highly doubt we'll find cool artwork of people like Barry Kahn or most of the GoDs.

@Cal

Can I edit it to be in factions?